1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I saw the Romans 11 card thrown down again, lol

Romans 11

• God has not cast away ALL of his people because the believing remnant who he foreknew is not cast away
• The part of Israel he did not foreknow was blinded and cast away, but the elect part he foreknew obtained God's mercy and promises
• Spiritual riches came to the nations through the nation of Israel's fall, and the fullness of spiritual Israel came into being through the fullness and wealth of the nations being brought into it for the past 2000 years
• The unbelieving part of Israel not foreknown by God was broken off from Israel and cast away, and believers from every nation replaced them
• Being a part of Israel is a gift through faith, not an entitlement through physical lineage
• Any who disbelieve Christ are cast away from Israel, and any who believe in Christ are joined to Israel.
• Natural branches of Israel that believe in Christ will be joined back into Israel, and gentiles who abandon faith in Christ will be cast away
• A remnant of believing Jews will exist until the fullness of the gentiles completes the temple of God and the lord returns with all resurrected Israel who are all saved in the same way, ie., by the new covenant removal of their sins.
• The believing remnant of Israel whom God foreknew is beloved through the promises made to the fathers, but the unbelieving part of Israel is hated through believing gentiles obedience.

 

[Lovette]

That didn't take long. It's a worn out political ploy to accuse others of racism when you have no ground to stand on. So foolish and simple-minded.

The ground is God's covenant with Abraham, Holy Land is given to his descendants.

 

[Lovette]

Luke 11:4
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

Well that puts all of us into a terrible lot of trouble.
He who has no sin let him cast the first stone.
How might we all find mercy then?

We do forgive, for vengeance is the Lord's.

 

[Lovette]

If I may ask, to what does your doubt lead? God is arbitrary, like any man, to go back on His promises?

THAT is that I doubt.

When I said staging, that mean the actual fulfillment is yet to come in the future, that Israel will not possess all that land again until He returns to destroys our enemies.

MM

When He returns, His saints will rule the entire earth with Him. Until then, keep striving, fight the good fight.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The ground is God's covenant with Abraham, Holy Land is given to his descendants.

To live in IF they obey his voice

 

[Lovette]

But Jesus is the prophet who superceded Moses, as Moses prophesied.

No, the prophet to come.

“The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear. "(Deut. 18:15)

You don't even know the basics. You keep saying that the Holy Land belongs to Jesus, if so, why did Jesus tell Pilate that "my kingdom is not of this world?" And why Satan got to tempt Him by offering him not only the Holy Land, but all kingdoms on earth? Yes, he will reclaim these kingdoms when he returns, but until then, Holy Land is Israel's homeland, opposing Israel's birth right is standing in the wrong side of history.

 

[Lovette]

To live in IF they obey his voice

Did Palestinian terrorists obey his voice?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, the prophet to come.

“The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear. "(Deut. 18:15)

"Him shall you hear" means Jesus, not Moses, therefore Jesus supersedes Moses

You don't even know the basics. You keep saying that the Holy Land belongs to Jesus, if so, why did Jesus tell Pilate that "my kingdom is not of this world?" And why Satan got to tempt Him by offering him not only the Holy Land, but all kingdoms on earth? Yes, he will reclaim these kingdoms when he returns, but until then, Holy Land is Israel's homeland, opposing Israel's birth right is standing in the wrong side of history.

All things were given to Jesus, including the land, because he is the firstborn who inherited everything.

Jesus didn't say his kingdom wasn't in this world (it is), but he said that it is out of heaven, meaning it's source of authority is heaven, not from men on earth.

Jesus alone has the birthright because he is the firstborn. Even the tribes of ancient Israel didn't say what you just said because they knew Ephraim held the birthright and they didn't.

 

[Lovette]

"Him shall you hear" means Jesus, not Moses, therefore Jesus supersedes Moses



All things were given to Jesus, including the land, because he is the firstborn who inherited everything.

Jesus didn't say his kingdom wasn't in this world (it is), but he said that it is out of heaven, meaning it's source of authority is heaven, not from men on earth.

Jesus alone has the birthright because he is the firstborn. Even the tribes of ancient Israel didn't say what you just said because they knew Ephraim held the birthright and they didn't.

Have a good day, pal. No more pearls to you antisemetic swine.

 

[Aaron56]

The ground is God's covenant with Abraham, Holy Land is given to his descendants.

Oops. You meant “Seed” right. Given to his singular Seed… like Paul revealed by the Spirit.

Any guesses Who that singular seed is?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Have a good day, pal. No more pearls to you antisemetic swine.

Slanderous deceiver you are

 

[Musicmaster]

When He returns, His saints will rule the entire earth with Him. Until then, keep striving, fight the good fight.

What many people fail to understand is that His elect angels are also called "saints" in His inspired word. Many think those saints are us who are of the body of Christ; that we will be warriors, which also scripture doesn't even hint at our being in the future in those key sections of scripture. Replacement theology has no end of foolishness.

MM

 

[Omegatime]

What many people fail to understand is that His elect angels are also called "saints" in His inspired word. Many think those saints are us who are of the body of Christ; that we will be warriors, which also scripture doesn't even hint at our being in the future in those key sections of scripture. Replacement theology has no end of foolishness.

MM

You are correct MM as the root word is holy ones in which it can be angels or saints

 

[Beekeeper]

We do forgive, for vengeance is the Lord's.

Every one, for vengeance is the Lord's.

 

[Beekeeper]

When I said staging, that mean the actual fulfillment is yet to come in the future, that Israel will not possess all that land again until He returns to destroys our enemies.

If "our" enemies means the enemies of Jesus Christ you and I are in agreement.

 

[Beekeeper]

Restoration of the Jews, which is part of the promise to which the land is attached.

Hebrews 13:14
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Restoration of the Jews to which the kingdom of heaven is attached.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

Slanderous deceiver you are

Why is Israel still there when they can split Israel in half between the West Bank and Gaza? 20-some miles? Why was it established in the first place in 1948 after not existing since AD70? Is that like 1878 years of not existing and it comes back at the same spot? Any other country done that? If of God there is nothing you can do. Again, your problem is with God.

I challenge you to show in scripture where that entitlement exists.

Don't waste my time. You're not governed by Scripture on this one.

You have a veil over your mind that blinds you to what that verse says.

It says God owns the land and the nation of Israel was merely a guest and resident alien with him in the land.

We are all no matter where we live.

Occupancy was subject to his rules, which they broke and were evicted, as every landlord has a right to do. Any prophecy pertaining to the restoration of Israel was fulfilled, and is being fulfilled, in Christ and his holy nation, ie, his body of believers.

Then why is Israel there? Why was the return of Israel predicted to return to the same spot when Israel did not exist, using only Scripture? No doubt you will hand-wave this all away, asserting Zionist or dispensationalists.

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You believe what the unbelieving pharisees believed and taught, that since they were entitled to the land through lineage, those prophecies were about them instead of Christ, who they denied. In a nutshell, zionism is believing Jews are entitled to the land of Israel.

Entitled is your word and description, not mine. You brought up the word entitled in your definition of Zionism (#268), which is adjacent to Naziism in your view.

 

[Churchgoer]

No one here disagrees with that. We're saying God is not done with the Jews.

God is not done with any group.
What does that have any connection with Christian supporting a secular state, which does everything against Jesus teaching, commandments.

 

[Churchgoer]

Slanderous deceiver you are

True, donot giving people a label 🏷such as anti this anti that. just debate on scripture.
Imagine what kind of label they will give to Jesus?
Jesus said your father is not Abraham, instead your father is Satan? And Jesus accused the synagogue of Satan?
No wonder they want to kill Jesus. They also want to kill Stephen, Paul, Peter.... whoever proclaiming Jesus name, and follow Jesus teaching.

 

[Churchgoer]

My great grandfather, my grandfather and my father were not Arabs.
They all lived in Palestine before 1948 and were conservative of their Western way of life.
For that long period of history they did not have conflict with the local Arabs.
They build farms, Schools and Churches, never hearing of terrorism.
The Zionists had conflict because they killed and stole land.
This in not criminal in their own religious understanding, but they make up cover stories for the rest of the world.
You have been fed fables, and believed them.

And if we are smart, we know who controls major media, Hollywood...