A Case for Not Reading The Bible Literally

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Too often congregants are required to read the bible literally, at least in all the “places that count.” Often this requirement is the fundamental means of “group faith” indoctrination, protection and border policing. Each denomination, creed, statement of faith and catechism is based on a “unique and literal” methodology of reading the Bible where it supports the groups predetermined and unique “faith” i.e. Dogmas. This is not reading the Bible literally. It is reading the Bible conformationally.

There are between 200 – 1,500 separate Christian religions in North America. All require that their unique brand of literal reading of the Bible “proof text” supports their belief that they alone legitimately understand of the Bible. Thus, taking the Bible literally is failing to take the Bible seriously. Reading it literally and seriously are two different things.

The very nature of the Bible’s comprehensive literary genres making literal reading a barrier to Biblical value.

• Historical Narrative: Stories and records of past events, making up more than half of the Bible (e.g., Genesis through Esther, and Acts). All are written through ancient human eyes.

• Poetry: Creative, imagery-rich writing that expresses human emotion (e.g., Psalms and Song of Solomon).

• Law (Covenant Law): Legal codes and religious rules given to ancient Israel (e.g., parts of Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy).

• Wisdom Literature: Practical advice and principles for everyday life (e.g., Proverbs and Ecclesiastes).

• Prophecy: Messages, warnings, and visions delivered from God through a prophet (e.g., Isaiah Jeremiah and the minor prophets).

• Gospels: Unique biographical narratives focusing on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John).

• Epistles (Letters): Correspondence written by apostles to early churches or individuals to provide doctrine and instruction to the people of his time about the issues of his time.

• Apocalyptic Literature: Highly symbolic and visionary writings regarding the struggles against evil forces and future restoration (e.g., Revelation and parts of Daniel).

• Parables: Short stories or analogies used to teach a spiritual or moral lesson, common in Jesus' ministry.

These various literary genres each take a serious approach but not necessarily a literal approach. Each must be understood differently. When in Psalms it says "Then shall all the trees of the wood sing for joy" before the Lord. Then later, “Let the rivers clap their hands; let the hills sing for joy together." To read this literally, you would have to believe that trees can sing and rivers have hands. Jesus said, “I am the vine…” but we do not expect grapes from Jesus.

It is very strange that those who demand a literal meaning of every word in the New Testament also work very hard to deny something they don’t like is true. In Matthew, Mark and Luke Jesus encounters a religiously righteous young man who passes Jesus’s test of being “righteous” but fails when Jesus tells him he must sell everything he has, give it to the poor and follow him. The young man goes away sorrowful because he was rich. Today millions of Christians believe their faith will make them rich, if they give what they have to the church…Large Christian churches have multi-million-dollar annual budgets which provides little money for the needy in their community.

Reading the Bible seriously means we must turn off our filters, assumptions and ancient doctrines. It has been my experience in reading and rereading the bible, that if I do not find discomfort, exposure and humility in every book, I may be slipping into confirmation

Here's the thing...reading literally brings up many questions which brings saints and sinners, young and old, babies and elders, parents and children, together to discuss and pray.
Are we not instructed to give a answer for the Hope we have? Are we to train up our children in the way they should go?
The bible has many spiritual characteristics, deep hidden meanings, but it also has instructions to parents, teachers, this is part of discipleship. Many say that the church started in acts, with that i disagree. It starts in the home. I agree with Joshua...as for me and my
HOUSEHOLD we shall serve the Lord.
Look at today's universities, college, a proof of lack of instruction the bible teaches. That's on us.
If a church, a person in the know and claims to be Christian has no time to explain or answer or to find a answer for a seeker he has neglected his first calling.
Jesus did not commission us to start a new religion but to continue his mission in teaching and preaching the word of God.
 
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Here's the thing...reading literally brings up many questions which brings saints and sinners, young and old, babies and elders, parents and children, together to discuss and pray.
Are we not instructed to give a answer for the Hope we have? Are we to train up our children in the way they should go?
The bible has many spiritual characteristics, deep hidden meanings, but it also has instructions to parents, teachers, this is part of discipleship. Many say that the church started in acts, with that i disagree. It starts in the home. I agree with Joshua...as for me and my
HOUSEHOLD we shall serve the Lord.
Look at today's universities, college, a proof of lack of instruction the bible teaches. That's on us.
If a church, a person in the know and claims to be Christian has no time to explain or answer or to find a answer for a seeker he has neglected his first calling.
Jesus did not commission us to start a new religion but to continue his mission in teaching and preaching the word of God.
 
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God-fearing:
Thank you for your thoughtful ideas. I want to follow up on the last line of your note. ....commission us to start a new religion but to continue to His mission in teaching and preaching the word of God.

It has been my experience that your perception of Christ's mission and our response to it as you stated it is the fulcrum on which 21st century Christianity is teetering. I want to make to you that while the heart expressed in your comment is worthy, the effect is misdirected and represents the single point of failure in the Protestant schema of priorities. I fear we have prioritized talking about Christianity over living Christianity. We may be more committed to proclaiming our unique theologies than to delivering the love of God to humanity through our lives.

I want to make the case that to continue the mission of Jesus we must become converted people, living day to day converted lives that are so different that our lives become our message. Jesus talks about us being a bright light on a hill that attracts others by the illumination of our lives. Our first and foremost mission is to love like Jesus, prioritize our lives like Jesus, serve like Jesus, heal like Jesus, be a power of reconciliation like Jesus and obedient to Jesus.

Many of the talented gospel teachers and preachers demonstrate they are not Jesus followers in word, attitude, sacrifice and commitment and love of all our neighbors. Their scandals and greed make preaching and teaching the word of God ineffective. We are good at converting people to our dogmas, our theologies, our churches and our set of benign indifference to the application of Jesus teachings and His commands. The term "word of God" has become synonymous with "our church," our theological uniqueness and our way of doing boundary maintenance in protection of our most distinguishing theologies. The reality is that Jesus the Christ is the "Word of God." Check out John 1.

IMHO, prioritizing "teaching the word of God" over living the word of God is a failure to grasp Jesus priorities. There are thousands of Christian Churches just in North America who have devoted themselves to identifying the word of God in strict compliance to their unique set of denomination's dogmas.."Things you have to believe our way." For a more sobering elevation of conversion over winning souls to our churches, read Matthew 25.

Jesus is calling for true conversion and commitment. Jesus does not prioritize dogmas over conversion.
Character of the New Person
Be light – Let your light shine
Matt 5:16
Be salt Matt 5:17
Be a servant Matt 23:11
Be a reconciler Matt 5:23-24, 18:15-17
Be on guard against greed and sin Luke 12:15, Matt 26:41
Take sin very seriously (Matthew 5:29–30)
Be perfect (in love) Matt 5:48
Be forgiving Matt 18:21-22
Be repentant Matt 4:17
Be born again John 3:5
Be the person who will go the second mile Matt 5:41
Be the person who can turn the other cheek Matt 5:39
Be the person who always gives to those who ask Matt 5:42
Be the person who will always loan their stuff Matt 5:42
Be the person who seeks Gods Kingdom first Matt 6:33
Be the person who honors their marriage Mark 10:6-9
Be the person who takes communion Matt 26:26-27
Be poor in spirit Matt 5:3
Be meek Matt 5:5
Be the person who hungers and thirsts for righteousness Matt 5:6
Be merciful Matt 5:7
Be pure of heart Matt 5:8
Be peacemakers 5:9
Be the person who comes to Jesus for rest Matt 11:28

Heart of the New Person
Love and pray for your enemies
Matt 5:44-46
The Golden Rule Matt 7:12
Love God Matt 22:37-38
Love your neighbor as yourself Matt 22:39
Love one another as I have loved you John 13:34, John 15:12, John 15:17
Love and invite the poor into your life Luke 14:12-14Show your love by:
Feeding the hungry and quenching the thirsty
Matt 25:35
Inviting in the stranger Matt 25:35
Clothing the naked Matt 25:36
Visiting the sick Matt 25:36
Visiting those in prison Matt 25:36

Things the New Person should avoid
Make no oaths – don’t swear
Matt 5:34, 37
Don’t judge others Matt 7:1
Don’t lust Matt 5:27-30
Don’t fear those that can kill the body Matt 10:28
Don’t store up treasures on earth Matt 6:19

The Mission of the New Person
Find and enter the narrow gate
Matt 7:13-14
Ask God for more harvest workers Matt 9:37-38
Preach the Gospel Matt 28:19-20
Make disciples, baptize them and teach them to obey my commandments Matt 28:19-20
Let your light shine before all people (Matthew 5:16)
Be reconciled to one another (Matthew 5:23–24)
By this will the world know you are my disciples if you love one another.
 
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God-fearing:
Thank you for your thoughtful ideas. I want to follow up on the last line of your note. ....commission us to start a new religion but to continue to His mission in teaching and preaching the word of God.

It has been my experience that your perception of Christ's mission and our response to it as you stated it is the fulcrum on which 21st century Christianity is teetering. I want to make to you that while the heart expressed in your comment is worthy, the effect is misdirected and represents the single point of failure in the Protestant schema of priorities. I fear we have prioritized talking about Christianity over living Christianity. We may be more committed to proclaiming our unique theologies than to delivering the love of God to humanity through our lives.

I want to make the case that to continue the mission of Jesus we must become converted people, living day to day converted lives that are so different that our lives become our message. Jesus talks about us being a bright light on a hill that attracts others by the illumination of our lives. Our first and foremost mission is to love like Jesus, prioritize our lives like Jesus, serve like Jesus, heal like Jesus, be a power of reconciliation like Jesus and obedient to Jesus.

Many of the talented gospel teachers and preachers demonstrate they are not Jesus followers in word, attitude, sacrifice and commitment and love of all our neighbors. Their scandals and greed make preaching and teaching the word of God ineffective. We are good at converting people to our dogmas, our theologies, our churches and our set of benign indifference to the application of Jesus teachings and His commands. The term "word of God" has become synonymous with "our church," our theological uniqueness and our way of doing boundary maintenance in protection of our most distinguishing theologies. The reality is that Jesus the Christ is the "Word of God." Check out John 1.

IMHO, prioritizing "teaching the word of God" over living the word of God is a failure to grasp Jesus priorities. There are thousands of Christian Churches just in North America who have devoted themselves to identifying the word of God in strict compliance to their unique set of denomination's dogmas.."Things you have to believe our way." For a more sobering elevation of conversion over winning souls to our churches, read Matthew 25.

Jesus is calling for true conversion and commitment. Jesus does not prioritize dogmas over conversion.
Character of the New Person
Be light – Let your light shine
Matt 5:16
Be salt Matt 5:17
Be a servant Matt 23:11
Be a reconciler Matt 5:23-24, 18:15-17
Be on guard against greed and sin Luke 12:15, Matt 26:41
Take sin very seriously (Matthew 5:29–30)
Be perfect (in love) Matt 5:48
Be forgiving Matt 18:21-22
Be repentant Matt 4:17
Be born again John 3:5
Be the person who will go the second mile Matt 5:41
Be the person who can turn the other cheek Matt 5:39
Be the person who always gives to those who ask Matt 5:42
Be the person who will always loan their stuff Matt 5:42
Be the person who seeks Gods Kingdom first Matt 6:33
Be the person who honors their marriage Mark 10:6-9
Be the person who takes communion Matt 26:26-27
Be poor in spirit Matt 5:3
Be meek Matt 5:5
Be the person who hungers and thirsts for righteousness Matt 5:6
Be merciful Matt 5:7
Be pure of heart Matt 5:8
Be peacemakers 5:9
Be the person who comes to Jesus for rest Matt 11:28

Heart of the New Person
Love and pray for your enemies
Matt 5:44-46
The Golden Rule Matt 7:12
Love God Matt 22:37-38
Love your neighbor as yourself Matt 22:39
Love one another as I have loved you John 13:34, John 15:12, John 15:17
Love and invite the poor into your life Luke 14:12-14Show your love by:
Feeding the hungry and quenching the thirsty
Matt 25:35
Inviting in the stranger Matt 25:35
Clothing the naked Matt 25:36
Visiting the sick Matt 25:36
Visiting those in prison Matt 25:36

Things the New Person should avoid
Make no oaths – don’t swear
Matt 5:34, 37
Don’t judge others Matt 7:1
Don’t lust Matt 5:27-30
Don’t fear those that can kill the body Matt 10:28
Don’t store up treasures on earth Matt 6:19

The Mission of the New Person
Find and enter the narrow gate
Matt 7:13-14
Ask God for more harvest workers Matt 9:37-38
Preach the Gospel Matt 28:19-20
Make disciples, baptize them and teach them to obey my commandments Matt 28:19-20
Let your light shine before all people (Matthew 5:16)
Be reconciled to one another (Matthew 5:23–24)
By this will the world know you are my disciples if you love one another.

Personally, I thought God/Jesus' first priority was for Disciples to continually make Disciples throughout the world. Being examples to the world was always a part of that.

Besides, every Christian has been given different gifts and talents to use to their best abilities, according to the Bible.

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Un, no. There is one and only one Christian “religion”, worldwide.

There are, however, many denominations.
Dino246:
Walk into any given Christian church and declare the current belief in a Trinity is not explicitly biblical. Walk into any Christian Church and declare that some of you were saved before the earth was created and the rest of you are going to hell and there is nothing you can do about it. Walk into any Church and declare that the communion bread is the actual body of Christ and the wine His actual blood and see how it turns out. Walk into any Church and declare that baptism is only for adult believers and has no value for babies and let me know how that works out. Walk into any church and declare that the one and only authority for what you believe is determined in Rome Italy and see how that flies. In the same way walk into any Christian Church and declare you are not saved until after your baptism. When you have done this mentally or physically, let me know if we have one religion.

P.S. Hopefully you are "thick skinned."
 
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God-fearing:
Thank you for your thoughtful ideas. I want to follow up on the last line of your note. ....commission us to start a new religion but to continue to His mission in teaching and preaching the word of God.

It has been my experience that your perception of Christ's mission and our response to it as you stated it is the fulcrum on which 21st century Christianity is teetering. I want to make to you that while the heart expressed in your comment is worthy, the effect is misdirected and represents the single point of failure in the Protestant schema of priorities. I fear we have prioritized talking about Christianity over living Christianity. We may be more committed to proclaiming our unique theologies than to delivering the love of God to humanity through our lives.

I want to make the case that to continue the mission of Jesus we must become converted people, living day to day converted lives that are so different that our lives become our message. Jesus talks about us being a bright light on a hill that attracts others by the illumination of our lives. Our first and foremost mission is to love like Jesus, prioritize our lives like Jesus, serve like Jesus, heal like Jesus, be a power of reconciliation like Jesus and obedient to Jesus.

Many of the talented gospel teachers and preachers demonstrate they are not Jesus followers in word, attitude, sacrifice and commitment and love of all our neighbors. Their scandals and greed make preaching and teaching the word of God ineffective. We are good at converting people to our dogmas, our theologies, our churches and our set of benign indifference to the application of Jesus teachings and His commands. The term "word of God" has become synonymous with "our church," our theological uniqueness and our way of doing boundary maintenance in protection of our most distinguishing theologies. The reality is that Jesus the Christ is the "Word of God." Check out John 1.

IMHO, prioritizing "teaching the word of God" over living the word of God is a failure to grasp Jesus priorities. There are thousands of Christian Churches just in North America who have devoted themselves to identifying the word of God in strict compliance to their unique set of denomination's dogmas.."Things you have to believe our way." For a more sobering elevation of conversion over winning souls to our churches, read Matthew 25.

Jesus is calling for true conversion and commitment. Jesus does not prioritize dogmas over conversion.
Character of the New Person
Be light – Let your light shine
Matt 5:16
Be salt Matt 5:17
Be a servant Matt 23:11
Be a reconciler Matt 5:23-24, 18:15-17
Be on guard against greed and sin Luke 12:15, Matt 26:41
Take sin very seriously (Matthew 5:29–30)
Be perfect (in love) Matt 5:48
Be forgiving Matt 18:21-22
Be repentant Matt 4:17
Be born again John 3:5
Be the person who will go the second mile Matt 5:41
Be the person who can turn the other cheek Matt 5:39
Be the person who always gives to those who ask Matt 5:42
Be the person who will always loan their stuff Matt 5:42
Be the person who seeks Gods Kingdom first Matt 6:33
Be the person who honors their marriage Mark 10:6-9
Be the person who takes communion Matt 26:26-27
Be poor in spirit Matt 5:3
Be meek Matt 5:5
Be the person who hungers and thirsts for righteousness Matt 5:6
Be merciful Matt 5:7
Be pure of heart Matt 5:8
Be peacemakers 5:9
Be the person who comes to Jesus for rest Matt 11:28

Heart of the New Person
Love and pray for your enemies
Matt 5:44-46
The Golden Rule Matt 7:12
Love God Matt 22:37-38
Love your neighbor as yourself Matt 22:39
Love one another as I have loved you John 13:34, John 15:12, John 15:17
Love and invite the poor into your life Luke 14:12-14Show your love by:
Feeding the hungry and quenching the thirsty
Matt 25:35
Inviting in the stranger Matt 25:35
Clothing the naked Matt 25:36
Visiting the sick Matt 25:36
Visiting those in prison Matt 25:36

Things the New Person should avoid
Make no oaths – don’t swear
Matt 5:34, 37
Don’t judge others Matt 7:1
Don’t lust Matt 5:27-30
Don’t fear those that can kill the body Matt 10:28
Don’t store up treasures on earth Matt 6:19

The Mission of the New Person
Find and enter the narrow gate
Matt 7:13-14
Ask God for more harvest workers Matt 9:37-38
Preach the Gospel Matt 28:19-20
Make disciples, baptize them and teach them to obey my commandments Matt 28:19-20
Let your light shine before all people (Matthew 5:16)
Be reconciled to one another (Matthew 5:23–24)
By this will the world know you are my disciples if you love one another.
Just curious, are you a red letter Christian?
 
Bible should also be read in complete chapter, books, not bits and pieces.
Churchgoer:
That is an interesting observation. It has been my experience that when pressed on issues of doctrines, dogmas and interpretive frameworks unique to a group, the bible disintegrates into a blizzard of proof-texts mixing the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament with cocktail mix of biblical snippets, replete with mix and match recipes handed down generation by generation from the protestant founders.

Even teaching entire New Testament books leads to conflicting and contrasting theologies. Within biblical scholarship, several of Paul's epistles are frequently highlighted for containing theological arguments that appear to contend, clash, or exist in tension with other New Testament books. The most prominent examples center around the requirements of the Jewish Law, the nature of salvation, and church governance.

Conversation: what books written by paul seem to contend with other new testament books
what books written by paul seem to contend with other new testament books
Within biblical scholarship, several of Paul's epistles are frequently highlighted for containing theological arguments that appear to contend, clash, or exist in tension with other New Testament books. The most prominent examples center around the requirements of the Jewish Law, the nature of salvation, and church governance.
The primary Pauline books involved in these tensions include:
Galatians and Romans vs. The Epistle of James
The most famous theological tension in the New Testament is the debate over faith versus works.

The Pauline Argument: In Galatians and Romans, Paul fiercely argues that a person is justified by faith alone apart from the "works of the law" (e.g., Romans 3:28, Galatians 2:16). He uses Abraham as his primary proof text, noting that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness before he performed any works.

The Contention: The Epistle of James explicitly states that "a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" (James 2:24). James uses the exact same historical figure—Abraham—to prove the opposite point, arguing that Abraham's faith was only completed by his willingness to offer Isaac on the altar. Martin Luther famously struggled with this tension, calling James an "epistle of straw" because it seemed to directly contradict Paul.

Galatians vs. The Acts of the Apostles
While not a conflict of core doctrine, Paul’s account of early church history in Galatians strongly contends with the historical narrative presented by Luke in the Acts of the Apostles.

The Pauline Argument: In Galatians 1–2, Paul emphasizes his complete independence from the original apostles in Jerusalem. He claims he did not consult with them after his conversion and later went to Jerusalem only to make sure they were on the same page. He even describes a public, heated showdown where he opposed Peter (Cephas) to his face in Antioch over food laws.

The Contention: Acts presents a much more harmonious and integrated relationship between Paul and the Jerusalem leadership. In Acts, Paul is frequently depicted as working within the bounds of the Jerusalem council's decrees and maintaining a smoother, cooperative relationship with Peter and James.

Galatians vs. The Gospel of Matthew
A deep theological tension exists between Paul's view of the Torah (the Law) and the view presented in the Gospel of Matthew.

The Pauline Argument: In Galatians, Paul speaks of the Law as a temporary guardian or "pedagogue" that has been set aside now that Christ has come (Galatians 3:24-25). He warns the Galatians that if they submit to circumcision or traditional Torah keeping, they have cut themselves off from Christ.

The Contention: In Matthew 5 (the Sermon on the Mount), Jesus declares that he did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it, stating that not an iota or a dot will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew heavily emphasizes a "Torah-observant" framework for followers of Jesus, which sits in stark structural tension with Paul's gospel of total freedom from the Law for Gentile converts.

1 Corinthians vs. 1 & 2 Timothy (Internal Pauline/Pseudonymous Contention)
For scholars who study the authorship of the New Testament, there is an internal contention between Paul's undisputed letters and the "Pastoral Epistles" (1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus).

The Earlier Pauline Argument: In 1 Corinthians and Romans, Paul outlines an egalitarian, charismatic church structure where ministry is based on spiritual gifts given to everyone, and he highly commends prominent female leaders like Phoebe, Junia, and Priscilla.

The Contention: By the time 1 Timothy is written, the structure shifts heavily toward a formal, rigid hierarchy of male bishops and deacons, explicitly restricting women from teaching or holding authority over men or even asking questions. (1 Timothy 2:). Because of this sharp shift in tone, theology, and social structure, a majority of critical scholars conclude that the Pastorals were written later by a separate author in Paul's name to address a changing church climate.
 
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Dino246:
Walk into any given Christian church and declare the current belief in a Trinity is not explicitly biblical. Walk into any Christian Church and declare that some of you were saved before the earth was created and the rest of you are going to hell and there is nothing you can do about it. Walk into any Church and declare that the communion bread is the actual body of Christ and the wine His actual blood and see how it turns out. Walk into any Church and declare that baptism is only for adult believers and has no value for babies and let me know how that works out. Walk into any church and declare that the one and only authority for what you believe is determined in Rome Italy and see how that flies. In the same way walk into any Christian Church and declare you are not saved until after your baptism. When you have done this mentally or physically, let me know if we have one religion.

P.S. Hopefully you are "thick skinned."
Errors do not a religion make.
 
Churchgoer:
That is an interesting observation. It has been my experience that when pressed on issues of doctrines, dogmas and interpretive frameworks unique to a group, the bible disintegrates into a blizzard of proof-texts mixing the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament with cocktail mix of biblical snippets, replete with mix and match recipes handed down generation by generation from the protestant founders.

Even teaching entire New Testament books leads to conflicting and contrasting theologies. Within biblical scholarship, several of Paul's epistles are frequently highlighted for containing theological arguments that appear to contend, clash, or exist in tension with other New Testament books. The most prominent examples center around the requirements of the Jewish Law, the nature of salvation, and church governance.

Conversation: what books written by paul seem to contend with other new testament books
what books written by paul seem to contend with other new testament books
Within biblical scholarship, several of Paul's epistles are frequently highlighted for containing theological arguments that appear to contend, clash, or exist in tension with other New Testament books. The most prominent examples center around the requirements of the Jewish Law, the nature of salvation, and church governance.
The primary Pauline books involved in these tensions include:
Galatians and Romans vs. The Epistle of James
The most famous theological tension in the New Testament is the debate over faith versus works.

The Pauline Argument: In Galatians and Romans, Paul fiercely argues that a person is justified by faith alone apart from the "works of the law" (e.g., Romans 3:28, Galatians 2:16). He uses Abraham as his primary proof text, noting that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness before he performed any works.

The Contention: The Epistle of James explicitly states that "a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" (James 2:24). James uses the exact same historical figure—Abraham—to prove the opposite point, arguing that Abraham's faith was only completed by his willingness to offer Isaac on the altar. Martin Luther famously struggled with this tension, calling James an "epistle of straw" because it seemed to directly contradict Paul.

Galatians vs. The Acts of the Apostles
While not a conflict of core doctrine, Paul’s account of early church history in Galatians strongly contends with the historical narrative presented by Luke in the Acts of the Apostles.

The Pauline Argument: In Galatians 1–2, Paul emphasizes his complete independence from the original apostles in Jerusalem. He claims he did not consult with them after his conversion and later went to Jerusalem only to make sure they were on the same page. He even describes a public, heated showdown where he opposed Peter (Cephas) to his face in Antioch over food laws.

The Contention: Acts presents a much more harmonious and integrated relationship between Paul and the Jerusalem leadership. In Acts, Paul is frequently depicted as working within the bounds of the Jerusalem council's decrees and maintaining a smoother, cooperative relationship with Peter and James.

Galatians vs. The Gospel of Matthew
A deep theological tension exists between Paul's view of the Torah (the Law) and the view presented in the Gospel of Matthew.

The Pauline Argument: In Galatians, Paul speaks of the Law as a temporary guardian or "pedagogue" that has been set aside now that Christ has come (Galatians 3:24-25). He warns the Galatians that if they submit to circumcision or traditional Torah keeping, they have cut themselves off from Christ.

The Contention: In Matthew 5 (the Sermon on the Mount), Jesus declares that he did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it, stating that not an iota or a dot will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew heavily emphasizes a "Torah-observant" framework for followers of Jesus, which sits in stark structural tension with Paul's gospel of total freedom from the Law for Gentile converts.

1 Corinthians vs. 1 & 2 Timothy (Internal Pauline/Pseudonymous Contention)
For scholars who study the authorship of the New Testament, there is an internal contention between Paul's undisputed letters and the "Pastoral Epistles" (1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus).

The Earlier Pauline Argument: In 1 Corinthians and Romans, Paul outlines an egalitarian, charismatic church structure where ministry is based on spiritual gifts given to everyone, and he highly commends prominent female leaders like Phoebe, Junia, and Priscilla.

The Contention: By the time 1 Timothy is written, the structure shifts heavily toward a formal, rigid hierarchy of male bishops and deacons, explicitly restricting women from teaching or holding authority over men or even asking questions. (1 Timothy 2:). Because of this sharp shift in tone, theology, and social structure, a majority of critical scholars conclude that the Pastorals were written later by a separate author in Paul's name to address a changing church climate.
Indeed.
Core idea is important, such as Jesus deity, holy spirit deity, resurrection, born again...
Minor issues can agree to disagree.

When Paul said justification by faith alone, he probably is relating it to himself. God struck him and gave him faith. While James is arguing is there if no fruit of work, then the salvation is fake, dead.

It is like a human will have a head. But only has head will not make a human.

Cocktail mixing, yeah that's a good analogy.
 
Just curious, are you a red letter Christian?
John146:
Great question. My library has about 14 translations of the Bible. Some contain scholarly commentary, some contain extensive notes by the translators as to why they chose the wording they did and they provide links to reference links. I am a fan of several commentaries. What I regret is that I no longer have a red letter version of the New Testament. I gave mine to my granddaughter. Thanks for asking.
 
Too often congregants are required to read the bible literally, at least in all the “places that count.” Often this requirement is the fundamental means of “group faith” indoctrination, protection and border policing. Each denomination, creed, statement of faith and catechism is based on a “unique and literal” methodology of reading the Bible where it supports the groups predetermined and unique “faith” i.e. Dogmas. This is not reading the Bible literally. It is reading the Bible conformationally.

There are between 200 – 1,500 separate Christian religions in North America. All require that their unique brand of literal reading of the Bible “proof text” supports their belief that they alone legitimately understand of the Bible. Thus, taking the Bible literally is failing to take the Bible seriously. Reading it literally and seriously are two different things.

The very nature of the Bible’s comprehensive literary genres making literal reading a barrier to Biblical value.

• Historical Narrative: Stories and records of past events, making up more than half of the Bible (e.g., Genesis through Esther, and Acts). All are written through ancient human eyes.

• Poetry: Creative, imagery-rich writing that expresses human emotion (e.g., Psalms and Song of Solomon).

• Law (Covenant Law): Legal codes and religious rules given to ancient Israel (e.g., parts of Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy).

• Wisdom Literature: Practical advice and principles for everyday life (e.g., Proverbs and Ecclesiastes).

• Prophecy: Messages, warnings, and visions delivered from God through a prophet (e.g., Isaiah Jeremiah and the minor prophets).

• Gospels: Unique biographical narratives focusing on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John).

• Epistles (Letters): Correspondence written by apostles to early churches or individuals to provide doctrine and instruction to the people of his time about the issues of his time.

• Apocalyptic Literature: Highly symbolic and visionary writings regarding the struggles against evil forces and future restoration (e.g., Revelation and parts of Daniel).

• Parables: Short stories or analogies used to teach a spiritual or moral lesson, common in Jesus' ministry.

These various literary genres each take a serious approach but not necessarily a literal approach. Each must be understood differently. When in Psalms it says "Then shall all the trees of the wood sing for joy" before the Lord. Then later, “Let the rivers clap their hands; let the hills sing for joy together." To read this literally, you would have to believe that trees can sing and rivers have hands. Jesus said, “I am the vine…” but we do not expect grapes from Jesus.

It is very strange that those who demand a literal meaning of every word in the New Testament also work very hard to deny something they don’t like is true. In Matthew, Mark and Luke Jesus encounters a religiously righteous young man who passes Jesus’s test of being “righteous” but fails when Jesus tells him he must sell everything he has, give it to the poor and follow him. The young man goes away sorrowful because he was rich. Today millions of Christians believe their faith will make them rich, if they give what they have to the church…Large Christian churches have multi-million-dollar annual budgets which provides little money for the needy in their community.

Reading the Bible seriously means we must turn off our filters, assumptions and ancient doctrines. It has been my experience in reading and rereading the bible, that if I do not find discomfort, exposure and humility in every book, I may be slipping into confirmation
I could not agree more.

This is one reason I spend very little time reading "Verse-vs-Verse" wars here. Long multiple verse posts may be ment well, but to truly understand the intent, each must be put into it's historical, poetic, legal, prophetic and linguistic context before it can be understood. That becomes impossible. It also eventually becomes a circular argument.

Great post!

with verse after verse
 
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Job was a real person, most likely a king, in a place adjacent to Israel but not part of it. The ordeal he went through was also real. Abraham had 6 children by Keturah. One of them was Midian, the tribe that helped Moses when he fled Egypt. Jethro believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, even though he was not in the Israelite covenant. So did Melchizedek even before God changed Abram's name to Abraham.

Job was most likely related to one of those 6 descended from Abraham's wife Keturah.

Over the centuries, many have dismissed much of the Old Testament as either fiction or fantasy. For example, the Hittites are mentioned in God's word. No one had heard of them outside of the Bible, so sceptics used that to cast doubt on God's word. And then archaeologists discovered ancient ruins of a vast empire. You guessed it, the Hittites were real after all.

Job may have been a real person, or he may be a person in an OT parable/play representing all real people.
Here is my take re Job:

Job appears to be a dramatic allegory that teaches one main lesson: We should be patient or persevere in our faith in God. God allowed Satan to test Job in ways we may be tested: by destroying his material possessions, his health and his family relationships, leaving only his wife, which was the worst part of the trial. (That’s a joke, but she did tempt Job to curse God.) Job also still had some friends, who tried to help him see what God wanted to teach him through this painful experience.

Job 5:17. Blessed is the man whom God corrects. This teaching may be cited as key, because it is also found in Pro. 3:11-12 (using slightly different words), which is quoted in Heb. 12:5-6: The Lord disciplines [corrects] those He loves [blesses].

Job 8:3. “Does God pervert justice?” No, God is perfectly just. (See the commentary on Josh. 6:17-21, 8:2, 10:28 & 11:20.)

Job 9:2. “How can a mortal be righteous before God?” He/she cannot. Psa. 14:3 says, “There is no one who does good, not even one,” and Jesus said in Matt. 19:17, “There is only One who is good.”

Heb. 4:15 teaches that “we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet was without sin,” referring to Jesus. And Paul wrote (in Phil. 3:9) that he did not claim righteousness of his own, “but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith”, which echoes what he said in Rom. 3:22&26: “This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe; [God] justifies [considers righteous] the man [person] who has faith in Jesus.” This righteousness is sometimes called positional or imputed righteousness.

Job 10:18. “Why then did [God] bring me out of the womb?” What is the purpose of this earthly existence? Once we are saved, why are we not immediately taken to heaven? Why do we have to waste time being here on earth?

The answer is that we are not supposed to waste the time but rather we should redeem the time by becoming like God morally, or as Paul says, we should be imitators of God and “live a life of love, just as Christ loved us.” (Eph. 5:1-2) Paul calls this goal the “fullness” of God/Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13, see Lesson 4), becoming more like Him morally or in loving attitudes and actions (Phil. 3:7-9, Eph. 5:1-3) until the day we die. This is our calling, our mission, our stewardship, and our goal (1John 1:3-4).

Job 19:25-29. This speaks of life and judgment beyond this earthly lifetime. Paul writes about this prophetic word by Job in 1Cor. 15:20&42, “Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. So it will be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable.” And Heb. 9:27 says “Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.”

Job 21:7. “Why do the wicked live on, growing old and increasing in power?” More generally, the question is why does God allow evil, pain and suffering?

Job 24:12. “I have treasured the words of [God’s] mouth more than my daily bread.” This verse foreshadows the teaching of Jesus in Matt. 4:4: “Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.” There is a mystical union of God’s Spirit or Word and the mind of a man who understands and hungers for God’s words, as implied by Job 32:8: “It is the spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding.”

John 1:14 says that Jesus is God’s Word in human form, and Paul said 1Cor. 2:16 that we have the mind of Christ. We gain the mind of Christ as we learn “the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation.” (2Tim. 3:15) If we do not hunger for God’s Word, then we will die spiritually. God gives each normal human being the gift of reason, so that He can invite us to reason together (Isa. 1:18), or logical ability so that we can “test everything [and] hold on to the good” (1Thes. 5:21), or in the words of Job 34:3, “The ear tests words as the tongue tastes food.”
 
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And how do you determine that? Would it surprise you if millions of Christians will disagree with whatever choices you make?
The author usually gives verbal cues when he is speaking figuratively or when he is using figurative language. Most times it is obvious.

Would I be surprised? No. Not really. Unfortunately, Christians today have been taught, either directly or indirectly through example, that the Bible is a magical book that must be interpreted through special glasses. But the Bible is not any different from any other book except that what it intends to say is always true. As for how to read the Bible, most people can understand it without any help. It is written in ordinary human language, meant for ordinary readers.

Variations in interpretation between Christian denominations is not due to the language, it is due to the approach to the Bible. Either we come to the Bible seeking to learn from it; or we come to the Bible seeking confirmation of what we already believe.
 
Too often congregants are required to read the bible literally, at least in all the “places that count.” Often this requirement is the fundamental means of “group faith” indoctrination, protection and border policing. Each denomination, creed, statement of faith and catechism is based on a “unique and literal” methodology of reading the Bible where it supports the groups predetermined and unique “faith” i.e. Dogmas. This is not reading the Bible literally. It is reading the Bible conformationally.

There are between 200 – 1,500 separate Christian religions in North America. All require that their unique brand of literal reading of the Bible “proof text” supports their belief that they alone legitimately understand of the Bible. Thus, taking the Bible literally is failing to take the Bible seriously. Reading it literally and seriously are two different things.

The very nature of the Bible’s comprehensive literary genres making literal reading a barrier to Biblical value.

• Historical Narrative: Stories and records of past events, making up more than half of the Bible (e.g., Genesis through Esther, and Acts). All are written through ancient human eyes.

• Poetry: Creative, imagery-rich writing that expresses human emotion (e.g., Psalms and Song of Solomon).

• Law (Covenant Law): Legal codes and religious rules given to ancient Israel (e.g., parts of Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy).

• Wisdom Literature: Practical advice and principles for everyday life (e.g., Proverbs and Ecclesiastes).

• Prophecy: Messages, warnings, and visions delivered from God through a prophet (e.g., Isaiah Jeremiah and the minor prophets).

• Gospels: Unique biographical narratives focusing on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John).

• Epistles (Letters): Correspondence written by apostles to early churches or individuals to provide doctrine and instruction to the people of his time about the issues of his time.

• Apocalyptic Literature: Highly symbolic and visionary writings regarding the struggles against evil forces and future restoration (e.g., Revelation and parts of Daniel).

• Parables: Short stories or analogies used to teach a spiritual or moral lesson, common in Jesus' ministry.

These various literary genres each take a serious approach but not necessarily a literal approach. Each must be understood differently. When in Psalms it says "Then shall all the trees of the wood sing for joy" before the Lord. Then later, “Let the rivers clap their hands; let the hills sing for joy together." To read this literally, you would have to believe that trees can sing and rivers have hands. Jesus said, “I am the vine…” but we do not expect grapes from Jesus.

It is very strange that those who demand a literal meaning of every word in the New Testament also work very hard to deny something they don’t like is true. In Matthew, Mark and Luke Jesus encounters a religiously righteous young man who passes Jesus’s test of being “righteous” but fails when Jesus tells him he must sell everything he has, give it to the poor and follow him. The young man goes away sorrowful because he was rich. Today millions of Christians believe their faith will make them rich, if they give what they have to the church…Large Christian churches have multi-million-dollar annual budgets which provides little money for the needy in their community.

Reading the Bible seriously means we must turn off our filters, assumptions and ancient doctrines. It has been my experience in reading and rereading the bible, that if I do not find discomfort, exposure and humility in every book, I may be slipping into confirmation
I agree with much of what you say in your post - - - one should always study and apply Scripture as the starting point and not begin with one church's doctrinal statement.

I do think we need to be careful about this: you say in in relation to the epistles that they are "to provide doctrine and instruction to the people of his time about the issues of his time." As it is stated there it seems to allow the reader of today to simply pick and choose what I want to follow or not follow based upon my culture today. For example, if Paul says homosexuality is wrong I can just say that was for his time.
 
Having years of bible study under ones belt, but not able to understand a spiritual thing is a painful thing to see.Because that's a member of the church.There's a lot of people like that.

That makes them ripe for deception

As for how to read the Bible, most people can understand it without any help

Yeah it's so simple that one has to get help to misunderstand it, which the devil is providing through organized religion which follows the wisdom of man rather than the Wisdom of God