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Has anyone else ever noticed that a lot of the churches that believe in free-will also believe in faith 'alone' over works?
Why is this a contradiction?
Okay, first in most of these churches after they turn to the Lord, they are asked to "do" something...to come to the front of the church or stand-up or raise their hand or something...The point is they are immediately told or pushed to do "something themselves."
Secondly, just the straight forwardness of turning to the Lord or "choosing" God they forget "is" a work according to their way of thinking, but they claim it is by grace alone...Let me be a little clearer, most churches like this want "you" to actively count the cost (something I see only as Jesus' sacrifice--but I am pretty sure they want you to look at the price "you" will have to pay to become Christian)...
I honestly don't think anyone who is a slave to sin has ever chosen Christ before He chose them...And after Christ chooses someone, I don't think they can nullify his choice...what about Judas? Good question me--not sure what to think about Him?
A refutation might be someone saying then God condemns people to hell...My response is kind of like Paul using the pot maker making a pot...but also that everyone "chose" hell--meaning they choose sin and its consequences through Adam, and God is not obligated to save or free anyone from their own sin prisons...but if the Lord chooses to shine light on a person than they have no choice they are in the light, in God's hands like it or not, fight it or not...
See the way a lot of people think is "you" save yourself by 'choosing Christ...and this is the only alternative to believing that God is merciful to those whom He is merciful, and he hardens whom he will harden...
Personally I think those he chooses in a certain way can remain in the dark though they are with the Lord...introduced my own contradiction, but I believe those whom Jesus chooses who remain in their sins 'darkness' they will suffer worse than the unbelievers hell...
A last contradiction, what about that contradiction between eternal security and free-will/fate...I am not sure that eternal security believers belive in fate until they start believing in eternal security--then they are 'fated' to heaven...
Just musing...
May God's love, light and blessings be lavished on us all--
tony
Why is this a contradiction?
Okay, first in most of these churches after they turn to the Lord, they are asked to "do" something...to come to the front of the church or stand-up or raise their hand or something...The point is they are immediately told or pushed to do "something themselves."
Secondly, just the straight forwardness of turning to the Lord or "choosing" God they forget "is" a work according to their way of thinking, but they claim it is by grace alone...Let me be a little clearer, most churches like this want "you" to actively count the cost (something I see only as Jesus' sacrifice--but I am pretty sure they want you to look at the price "you" will have to pay to become Christian)...
I honestly don't think anyone who is a slave to sin has ever chosen Christ before He chose them...And after Christ chooses someone, I don't think they can nullify his choice...what about Judas? Good question me--not sure what to think about Him?
A refutation might be someone saying then God condemns people to hell...My response is kind of like Paul using the pot maker making a pot...but also that everyone "chose" hell--meaning they choose sin and its consequences through Adam, and God is not obligated to save or free anyone from their own sin prisons...but if the Lord chooses to shine light on a person than they have no choice they are in the light, in God's hands like it or not, fight it or not...
See the way a lot of people think is "you" save yourself by 'choosing Christ...and this is the only alternative to believing that God is merciful to those whom He is merciful, and he hardens whom he will harden...
Personally I think those he chooses in a certain way can remain in the dark though they are with the Lord...introduced my own contradiction, but I believe those whom Jesus chooses who remain in their sins 'darkness' they will suffer worse than the unbelievers hell...
A last contradiction, what about that contradiction between eternal security and free-will/fate...I am not sure that eternal security believers belive in fate until they start believing in eternal security--then they are 'fated' to heaven...
Just musing...
May God's love, light and blessings be lavished on us all--
tony