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wolfwint said:
Sorry, but then why nobody in this tongues threat can give me an answer to several question i have. i am not hear for to spoil something, but we should proof the spirits, the bible says. And i have some doubtings:

Now i should believe to a movement as from God, which is established with signs, which we cant find in the bible! Falling backward, driven to laughing without stopping, driven to move and noising like animals. Where we can find this in the bible as signs from the Holy Spirit? for to receive him?
What i can find in the bible are warnings that in the last time many false prophets will come for to try misslead even the choosen one. They will do wonders and miracles! And in Matth. 7,21ff Jesus said, that there will be People who call Jesus Lord and cast out Demons in Jesus name and has done miracules deeds in Jesus Name, but they are not known from the Lord!
I cant see from the bible that the Holy Spirit is working according denominations! The conclusion is, if the revival from 1906 is from the Holy Spirit is true, that all other denominatians and doctrines are wrong!
What is your explainatian about that fact?

you must not give an anwer in this threat. But i would be glad if you would come to tongues. in acts 2 pentecost units the christians/believers. The events around 1906 and following charismatic movements splitt the christianity till today.
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Since salvation is not based on whether you speak in tongues or not, 'all other' denominations cannot be wrong. Some do believe the gifts of the Spirit are teal, it just isn't happening in their congregation. I go to the Salvation Army. And the officers have been called there from out of charismatic churches, the one I go to. They can pray in tongues, but they don't broadcast it.
 
No matter how the Holy Spirit chooses to manifest himself - either through our mouth, or by affecting our bodies - the fruit of the experience brings the evidence that it began from him. Or not.

When the fruit is to cause one to have more love for Christ and a greater sense of his love for them, that is certainly not a deceptive spirit. The purpose of all the gifts or manifestations is to testify of Christ. And whenever that happens, or a life is changed, a healing happens, or a greater capacity to praise is wrought, how dare anyone touch that experience or try to tell a person that it wasn't real.

How the Holy Spirit must grieve.
 
notuptome said:
Tongues were present in the early NT church as an evidence to the presence of the Holy Spirit and this was to witness to the Jews present that it was the same Holy Spirit they witnessed at Pentecost.

Prophecy is a different matter as prophecy came not through tongues. Prophecy came through the proclamation of the OT scriptures teaching from them that Jesus was the promised Messiah. The prophets agreeing with the prophets. Scripture came through the pen of inspiration by a limited number of men of God's choosing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Hi Rodger, thanks for the reply. I see that a little differently at least today.

Tongues were present in the early NT church as an evidence to the presence of the Holy Spirit and this was to witness to the Jews present that it was the same Holy Spirit they witnessed at Pentecost.
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Not all tongues. Tongues that had an understanding were evidence of the Holy Spirit. No understanding, no evidence. It is not evidence that could be attributed to the believer as if it the spiritual work came from them. It was God’s manner or way of bringing new prophecy (the declaration of the word of God) this is while he was still bringing new prophecy as that which is now sealed up till the end of time. No more manners of the Spirit other than the perfect complete will of God which we have in its entire, entirety .There are no laws missing by which we could know him better.

Prophecy is a different matter as prophecy came not through tongues. Prophecy came through the proclamation of the OT scriptures teaching from them that Jesus was the promised Messiah. The prophets agreeing with the prophets. Scripture came through the pen of inspiration by a limited number of men of God's choosing.
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Again to prophecy is simply to declare the word of God, His interpretation to us

If it was the Holy Spirit that interpreted it. It was of God and not after the flesh of any man.

What was inspired as a tongue, we have written .There are many manners by which God spoke from heaven as that written here on earth.
 
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