A Double Standard in Christianity?

[Laura798]

I don't disagree with you there.

Of course there are different curses that apply to both men and women.

Again, women are more spiritual and are more inclined to accept a doctrine merely because it seems to be spiritually viable; often for emotional reasons.

While men are more analytical and likely to examine doctrine to make sure that they are accurate according to the scriptures.

Which is why it is better for a man to teach than a woman any day of the week.

While women are not prohibited from teaching other women,

If they are going to teach a man, the teaching that I have received is that they ought to operate under the covering of a man who exercises authority over her.

JBF, You said:

"Which is why it is better for a man to teach than a woman any day of the week."

This is a false statement. --Eve was the first of the two to be deceived, but so was Adam deceived. She is put in submission to her husband since she sinned first--that is not saying women are more easily deceived!

Adam and Ever were not themselves cursed. It was Satan and the ground that was cursed. Did they receive consequences--because of their sin -- yes. However a curse is forever--mankind is not cursed forever as Christ has provided a 'covering' for him and a way to 'blot' out his sin. The difference--the curse to Satan and to the ground is eternal--until God makes all things new.

“So I am putting a curse on the ground because of what you did."

"I am putting a curse on you. You will crawl on your belly. You will eat dust all the days of your life."

 

[Duckybill]

JBF, You said:

"Which is why it is better for a man to teach than a woman any day of the week."

This is a false statement. --Eve was the first of the two to be deceived, but so was Adam deceived. She is put in submission to her husband since she sinned first--that is not saying women are more easily deceived!

Adam and Ever were not themselves cursed. It was Satan and the ground that was cursed. Did they receive consequences--because of their sin -- yes. However a curse is forever--mankind is not cursed forever as Christ has provided a 'covering' for him and a way to 'blot' out his sin. The difference--the curse to Satan and to the ground is eternal--until God makes all things new.

“So I am putting a curse on the ground because of what you did."

"I am putting a curse on you. You will crawl on your belly. You will eat dust all the days of your life."

Gee, how many NT Books were written by women? ZERO maybe?

 

[SophieT]

Gee, how many NT Books were written by women? ZERO maybe?

how astute of you!

did you have to go to school to learn that?

but didn't you notice that the OT also has zero written by women?

you obviously do not believe women mean the same to God as do men

that is your loss

duckybill

 

[SophieT]

5 but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. I Cor 11:5

while those men who are so inclined will only see that women should have their head covered (due to the time they lived in)
people who actually do not desire to rewrite the Bible, will see that women ARE PRAYING AND PROPHESYING

TWIST THAT NOW

so again, Paul was either schizoid or some of you men are getting it wrong

 

[Duckybill]

how astute of you!

did you have to go to school to learn that?

but didn't you notice that the OT also has zero written by women?

you obviously do not believe women mean the same to God as do men

that is your loss

duckybill

That's a LIE!

 

[justbyfaith]

This is a false statement. --Eve was the first of the two to be deceived, but so was Adam deceived.

1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Adam and Ever were not themselves cursed. It was Satan and the ground that was cursed. Did they receive consequences--because of their sin -- yes. However a curse is forever--mankind is not cursed forever as Christ has provided a 'covering' for him and a way to 'blot' out his sin. The difference--the curse to Satan and to the ground is eternal--until God makes all things new.

“So I am putting a curse on the ground because of what you did."

"I am putting a curse on you. You will crawl on your belly. You will eat dust all the days of your life."

Gen 3:16, Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17, And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18, Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

These things are curses on Adam and Eve respectively...things that are going to cause to both of them suffering in life.

 

[justbyfaith]

5 but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. I Cor 11:5

while those men who are so inclined will only see that women should have their head covered (due to the time they lived in)
people who actually do not desire to rewrite the Bible, will see that women ARE PRAYING AND PROPHESYING

TWIST THAT NOW

so again, Paul was either schizoid or some of you men are getting it wrong

1 Cor 11 is not based on a custom that the church has at that time (1 Corinthians 11:16). This is written in the timeless word of God.

 

[Duckybill]

Men who abuse women are Satanic, as is the Feminist movement.

 

[Dino246]

You cited 9 verses. 3 of the 9 states husband/wife relationship. Not really a majority, no?

I suggest you read my closing comment more carefully.

The ESV, NRSV are somewhat controversial bible translations ("The ESV is based upon an entirely DIFFERENT Greek text than the King James Bible", "..NRSV is more liberal than the ESV..." - I will certainly read more). In your quoted hyperlinks of the ESV and NRSV there are footnotes that expound the usage as "man" and "woman" not "husband" and "wife". Why choose bibles involved in the gender neutral wars (though I still have to read some more opinions)?

Your ignorance is showing. The Greek words are not role-specific. The word for man can mean husband, and the word for woman can mean wife. It has absolutely nothing to do with a gender-neutral agenda. As I stated previously, it is the singular or specific articles that indicate that a marriage relationship is in view here. There is no other common relationship between a man and a woman.

Also translated phrase "But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man..." NOT "But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every husband...". The ἀνδρὸς is used as "husband" in other verses and the root greek is the same as ἀνήρ. Are you cherry picking the meaning within one sentence? I think you would be hard pressed to find a translation of "..Christ is the head of husbands.."

I have no need to look for translations that say such, because contextually, it would be ridiculous.

Also, Mounce Reverse interlinear uses syntax/grammar of english to achieve greek, not the other way around (I.e. not exegetical - "In the process, I came up with the term "reverse interlinear." A traditional interlinear maintains Greek word order and alters the English, which makes the English almost unusuable. But if I maintained English word order and altered the Greek, then both the English and Greek are helpful; hence, "reverse interlinear.")

Irrelevant.

 

[Laura798]

1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.




Gen 3:16, Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17, And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18, Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

These things are curses on Adam and Eve respectively...things that are going to cause to both of them suffering in life.

NO, I already explained--they're are consequences, not curses.

 

[justbyfaith]

NO, I already explained--they're are consequences, not curses.

Curses as consequences.

 

[Laura798]

Curses as consequences.

Curses as consequences.

This is why WORDS are important--it is wise never to change or substitute words in Scripture--if the bible says God cursed the snake and the ground--then take Him at His word.

 

[Laura798]

Men who abuse women are Satanic, as is the Feminist movement.

Not sure your point DB--no men in support of abusing women here--at least I hope not and no feminists as far as I can tell either. Feminists as a rule want to be like a man, many instead of supporting their own kind are against them and against men too. We Christian women want to be equal partners with men in God's kingdom. In marriage because of the fall, a woman is to be in submission to her own husband, that's true--but it's more like a president and vice president, than a master and a servant. Submission theoretically is easy when a man is loving his wife, "like Christ loved the church and gave His life for it." Plus if the man makes, makes the wrong turn off the freeway, or picks the wrong restaurant, or a decides on bad investment, he get to take the blame not us.

 

[Duckybill]

Not sure your point DB--no men in support of abusing women here--at least I hope not and no feminists as far as I can tell either. Feminists as a rule want to be like a man, many instead of supporting their own kind are against them and against men too. We Christian women want to be equal partners with men in God's kingdom. In marriage because of the fall a woman is to be in submission, that's true--but it's more like a president and vice president, than a master and a servant. Submission theoretically is easy when a man is loving his wife, "like Christ loved the church and gave His life for it." Plus if the man makes, makes the wrong turn off the freeway, or picks the wrong restaurant, or a decides on bad investment, he get to take the blame not us.

Ephesians 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

 

[Laura798]

Ephesians 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

No one is arguing that point--did you even read what I've posted?

 

[Duckybill]

No one is arguing that point--did you even read what I've posted?

Yeah, you've constantly attacked:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[SophieT]

That's a LIE!

you seem very upset

why don't you address the other scriptures?

actually you are lying if you cannot address the other scriptures wherein women held positions in the NT church that some men want to just ignore

either you believe the Bible or not

it does not say women should be silent...a woman cannot prophesy and be silent at the same time

a woman cannot teach a man, as what happened with Apollos, and yet never teach a man

you need to deal with those things before you scream liar at others or accuse them of lying

 

[Laura798]

As I was worshipping the Lord in church this morning, He spoke to me and said that I will not need to fight in this battle.

And more pomposity and false humility to follow....you're right, the battle isn't yours it's the Lord's. And this isn't a battle it's simply a discussion on a chat forum.

 

[Laura798]

As I have said, women are often influenced by their emotions rather than the facts.

Therefore it is no surprise that you would appeal to emotion here.

The analogy appears to be lost on you.

I don't think Kim Jong Un would appeal to anyone's emotions...except maybe a rattlesnake's.

 

[Duckybill]

you seem very upset

Look in you mirror.

why don't you address the other scriptures?

I addressed them. Don't be lying again!

actually you are lying if you cannot address the other scriptures wherein women held positions in the NT church that some men want to just ignore

You just lied again.

either you believe the Bible or not

I do indeed. What would you like to know about the Bible?

it does not say women should be silent...a woman cannot prophesy and be silent at the same time

a woman cannot teach a man, as what happened with Apollos, and yet never teach a man

you need to deal with those things before you scream liar at others or accuse them of lying

You flat out LIED dear.

" you obviously do not believe women mean the same to God as do men"