A Jew is not one outwardly, but inward

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InSpiritInTruth said:
Marc here is what VW said, please don't try to confuse the issue.

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"Disobedience is part of still living in the flesh for all of God's children. Grace keeps us in Him despite that disobedience."[end quote]

Is this a true statement, or false Marc?
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If you re-read my post particularly what I said about his post #28, you will find that I already answered you.
 
crossnote said:
are there still male christians and female christians? Yes. But by your logic there wouldn't be. It's just when it comes to being saved in Christ there is no difference. But, go on holding to your convictions. I'm not here to change them.
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Interesting concept. I bet the homosexuals would love to latch on to that one. Throw in a little ChristianChat exegesis, and it ain't just down that's up, and left that's right...
 
ISIT,

VW and I both believe in eternal security. It is our honest conclusion based on extensive study of Scripture.

In stating that conclusion, whether or not it is accurate; we are NOT lying.

If you have come to a different conclusion, I believe you are mistaken; but I'm sure you came to it sincerely.
 
MarcR said:
ISIT,

VW and I both believe in eternal security. It is our honest conclusion based on extensive study of Scripture.

In stating that conclusion, whether or not it is accurate; we are NOT lying.

If you have come to a different conclusion, I believe you are mistaken; but I'm sure you came to it sincerely.
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The statement he made is a lie, and is also contrary to scripture as I showed already. I figured you also were of the OSAS camp, which I believe is also false doctrine as well, and can be proven false over and over again with a great multitude of scripture. Sorry you support his false views on living in the flesh and in disobedience (which is unrighteousness and sin), and then say despite the disobedience you are still in Him. You cannot remain in Christ and in sin at the same time, sorry.

Galatians 2:17
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
 
either side could be sin. for example, if someone believes in eternal security or osas in such a way that they 1)remain in; 2)continue in; 3)go back to living in; - unrepentant sinfulness and wickedness
then it is one of those things that "seems right to a man" (obviously) "and the end of it is the way of death" (not so obvious to those deceived by it; but very obvious to those in the light).

likewise, on the other side, or any side, if what someone believes 1) 2) 3) leads to ungodliness, unrighteousness, or any sin at all,
then it is one of those things that "seems right to a man"(obviously) "and the end thereof is the way of death" (not so obvious to those deceived by it; but it is written and cannot be changed).
 
crossnote said:
are there still male christians and female christians? Yes. But by your logic there wouldn't be. It's just when it comes to being saved in Christ there is no difference. But, go on holding to your convictions. I'm not here to change them.
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I thought it was in him we live and move and have our being. I never said in him there were no males and females, Paul did. Why don't you believe Paul, I don't fully understand it, but that's my problem, not Paul's.
 
Jeff_56 said:
either side could be sin. for example, if someone believes in eternal security or osas in such a way that they 1)remain in; 2)continue in; 3)go back to living in; - unrepentant sinfulness and wickedness
then it is one of those things that "seems right to a man" (obviously) "and the end of it is the way of death" (not so obvious to those deceived by it; but very obvious to those in the light).

likewise, on the other side, or any side, if what someone believes 1) 2) 3) leads to ungodliness, unrighteousness, or any sin at all,
then it is one of those things that "seems right to a man"(obviously) "and the end thereof is the way of death" (not so obvious to those deceived by it; but it is written and cannot be changed).
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These things aren't a matter of simply traversing up and down the letter of the law, and seeing where a person may fit in the scheme of somebody's idea of what constitutes a threshold of unacceptable sin. (In truth, you have sin, as all do, but this another topic.) Can a Christian, born of the Holy Spirit, lose their salvation? If you believe so, please provide an instance of a saved person, in scripture, losing their salvation. Is it not the case the old man, who continues in wickedness, whether he plays church for awhile, pays lip service to Jesus, or whatever the reasons, goes back to displaying the same old nature, that such a person was never saved? Anyway, surely you can come up with one person who lost their salvation, if eternal security of those born of the Holy Spirit is a lie.
 
crossnote said:
are there still male christians and female christians? Yes. But by your logic there wouldn't be. It's just when it comes to being saved in Christ there is no difference. But, go on holding to your convictions. I'm not here to change them.
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And by your logic, Paul must be wrong. Right? I mean you can see male and female, so there must be a difference in Jews and gentiles right, yet even in the case of such an obvious difference, Paul STILL says there are not even male or female. So tell me, where is Paul wrong? Surely you know more than Paul since by your logic, you can see a difference in the two, so maybe it's something Paul misunderstood right? Lol

And just to be on the record before God, yes, in Christ there is no difference in Christ, I will stick to Paul's understanding, not mine.
 
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JesusIsAll said:
Interesting concept. I bet the homosexuals would love to latch on to that one. Throw in a little ChristianChat exegesis, and it ain't just down that's up, and left that's right...
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Yes there is a physical difference, yet scripture still declares the fact that in Christ there is not. So what is the problem? Is there something deeper about being in Christ Paul is inherently referencing? Yes.

Left is right and down is up indeed. Like I said, I didn't say there was a difference, you did. Paul didn't, I didn't, just you and those who just can't accept what deeper message Paul was talking about.

Of course there is a difference, yet in Christ there isnt, so what is the deeper message he is talking about?

In Christ it doesn't matter who one is before, it's about being FOUND in Christ, for in HIM we live and move and have our being.
 
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sltaylor said:
Yes there is a physical difference, yet scripture still declares the fact that in Christ there is not. So what is the problem? Is there something deeper abiut being in Christ Paul is inherently referencing? Yes.

Left is right and down is up indeed. Like I said, I didn't say there was a difference, you did. Paul didn't, I didn't, just you and those who just can't accept what deeper message Paul was talking about.

Of course there is a difference, yet in Christ there isnt, so what is the deeper message he is talking about?
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It was just a joke, not exactly very good fodder to have a grand debate over.
 
JesusIsAll said:
It was just a joke, not exactly very good fodder to have a grand debate over.
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Well I'm not sure homosexuals latching on to 'in Christ there is no difference' is a concept for laughing and making fun when people accept that scripture as a God breathed truth. Yet reaching that understanding, that IS what Paul still declares from a revelation Christ gave him. Sorry, I didn't know you were joking, but is a very profound statement made by Paul when you think of its implications. And believe me, I'm not saying it's completely understood, I don't even fully understand it. Yet it IS written, so it has to be the truth right? I very clearly see males and females yet he still declared there isn't a diffenrece. That's deep to me man.

I firmly believe It's because we are in him, like in HIM. Its important to know its about being found IN CHRIST. That's why there is not a difference, it's about who we are in HIM.
 
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sltaylor said:
Well I'm not sure homosexuals latching on to 'in Christ there is no difference' is a concept for laughing and making fun when people accept that scripture as a God breathed truth.
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It was not a joke about Paul, and not a joke about Christ, neither having a scintilla to do with it. But, if you'll apprise me of where to send a post for your censorship and criticism of everything not said, I'll start running these things past you.
 
Being found in and knowing Christ.
God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.*
****'For in him we live and move and have our being.'***
 
JesusIsAll said:
It was not a joke about Paul, and not a joke about Christ, neither having a scintilla to do with it. But, if you'll apprise me of where to send a post for your censorship and criticism of everything not said, I'll start running these things past you.
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I know what the joke was. I get it. No you don't need my approval, I can see your cinicism, it's ok, sorry for making it seem that way, truly. It was even kind of funny, lol.

In Christ there is no difference. Jews and Gentiles are different yes. Males and females, they are really different yes, lol. No slave nor free, jew or greek or whatever other difference we can all see, yet for all these obvious differences it was obvious to Paul that there was none.
That is a passionate thing to me and the verse had deep implications.

It is a God breathed truth, that despite any difference of sex or race or freedom, being in Christ is all there is, and the new creation in Christ, it's out with the old.
 
Sorry to say this to you sltaylor, If anyone could be a fool ,it is you.!! A fool who loves to make trouble and cause needless division in the church. "In Christ" is a spiritual condition ,not a physical condition. NOW if you don't accept this Biblical explanation, you are the biggest fool of all. Please Repent and stop making trouble. You are obviously controled by Satan, not by God.!!
 
Viligant_Warrior said:
Wrong. We have become part of Israel. They have not become us.

The Galatians were mixing faith in Christ with the Law, in violation of the basic tenet of the Bible that can be boiled down to "Jesus + nothing = salvation."

Israel's salvation is also through faith alone. "Abram believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness" (genesis 15:6, NASB). The Law convicts and destroys. Jesus Christ redeems and saves. The latter is exactly what Abram believed, even without knowing the name of Jesus or the title of Christ. Thus was all of Israel saved, or not. Replacement theologists make a huge mistake in thinking otherwise, and in believing that disobedience separated Israel -- or us, for that matter -- from God.

Disobedience is part of still living in the flesh for all of God's children. Grace keeps us in Him despite that disobedience.
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You are a very simple person who is overly simplifying the deep, clear truth of salvation "in Christ" . God has chosen us "in Christ" for salvation by His POWER to transform us and to pardon us of our sin. God's power make us a new creation in Christ, and then Jesus' blood forgives our sins. "calling" is before "justified" in Rom.8:29-30. This order is used by God to save us "elect" in ALL of the Bible. We do NOT live in sin; we only trip into sin on occasion. We are "called to be SAINTS" NOT to live in sin.!! If One is not holy ,he is not saved. Hoffco
 
National Israel was never set aside for salvation as a nation. Only a sellect few were elect to salvation. But the nation of the Jews are obvious God's favorite nation on earth because the Bible teaches this and now God has proven this as He has fulfilled His promise to them, bring them back to nationhood. 144,000 Jews will be saved after the Rapture of the Church and will go into the Jacob's Trouble and be killed by the antichrist. and then raised at the end of the 70th wk of Daniel to reign with us and Christ for 1,000yrs. At Jesus 2nd coming all the nation of Israel will be saved when they see Christ coming back to earth. Love to all, Hoffco
 
Hoffco said:
Sorry to say this to you sltaylor, If anyone could be a fool ,it is you.!! A fool who loves to make trouble and cause needless division in the church. "In Christ" is a spiritual condition ,not a physical condition. NOW if you don't accept this Biblical explanation, you are the biggest fool of all. Please Repent and stop making trouble. You are obviously controled by Satan, not by God.!!
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Yes because saying we are all one in Christ is making divisions?? How about this, God bless you brother! I love you! Thanks for being so sincere about my salvation, I don't know what ever I would have done without those kind words of wisdom!

NO joke it's a spiritual condition, hence my saying that males and females are different except for in Christ. Seriously
 
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sltaylor said:
Yes because saying we are all one in Christ is making divisions?? How about this, God bless you brother! I love you! Thanks for being so sincere about my salvation, I don't know what ever I would have done without those kind words of wisdom!

NO joke it's a spiritual condition, hence my saying that males and females are different except for in Christ. Seriously
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Speaking kind words seems to be in short supply around here huh? Lord help us! :)
 
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