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A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people
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Briancampbell,
re: "You don't just use any information on the internet... I read this website a lot, it's Catholicism based. I don't buy into deception."
You made the comment suggesting that the 7 day cycle has been interupted at some point between the first century and now. I am merely asking you to support that idea with some proof. Can you do that?
re: "You don't just use any information on the internet... I read this website a lot, it's Catholicism based. I don't buy into deception."
You made the comment suggesting that the 7 day cycle has been interupted at some point between the first century and now. I am merely asking you to support that idea with some proof. Can you do that?
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Bryancampbell
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Yes I can if you need me to, but I'm done with this thread. Whether time was interrupted or not, the Shabbat is just a foreshadow of Christ just like the entire law. The two fellows here radical in thinking claiming my sin against this law is going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday....if I worship and rest on Sunday, then that's me, if I'm wrong then let God judge me not a them.
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Bryancampbell
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First, the Gregorian calendar is completely off (maybe Michael50 should listen for a second). The real calender based in the Torah is based on moon phases, not daylight, since the Hebrew calendar is a lunar set calender. The Shabbat isn't always on aSaturday, it could be on a Wednesday, or late Thursday depending on the lunar cycle in orbit. Eastern culture completely different from the"official name" for Pope Gregorian mod to the previous calender, Julius (Caesar) calender. Rendering Caesar's calender, it was their own, which is called a "civil calender", based on different cultural ways of setting dates, equinoxes etc. Arrangement made different through many like Augustine from during his reign to his death and after months like August (named after him) were added. Even the Hebrew to western, a day is unevenly removed, changed, or replaced each year, starring either with Monday, or Sunday, you get my drift. So then that would make Monday the 1st starting on the next year of the western calender, but knocking off days of the Hebrew calendar had to be exact parallel with it, which it's not. Sabbath technically isn't always on a Saturday.
need some sources? Try:
- Blackburn, B. & Holford-Strevens, L. (1999). The Oxford Companion to the Year. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-214231-3.
- Blackburn, B. & Holford-Strevens, L. (2003). The Oxford Companion to the Year: An exploration of calendar customs and time-reckoning, Oxford University Press.
- Coyne, G. V., Hoskin, M. A., Pedersen, O. (Eds.) (1983). Gregorian Reform of the Calendar: Proceedings of the Vatican conference to commemorate its 400th anniversary, 1582–1982. Vatican City: Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Vatican Observatory (Pontificia Academia Scientarum, Specola Vaticana).
- Duncan, D. E. (1999). Calendar: Humanity's Epic Struggle To Determine A True And Accurate Year. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-380-79324-5.
- Gregory XIII. (2002). Inter Gravissimas (W. Spenser & R. T. Crowley, Trans.). International Organization for Standardization. (Original work published 1582)
- ^ Towards a Common Date of Easter. (5–10 March). World Council of Churches/Middle East Council of Churches Consultation, Aleppo, Syria.
- ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] [SUP]c[/SUP] The letter J was not invented until the 16th century.
- ^ The spelling Quinctilis is also attested; see page 669 of The Oxford Companion to the Year.
- ^ Blackburn, B. & Holford-Strevens, L. The Oxford Companion to the Year. Oxford University press, 1999, reprinted with corrections, 2003. p. 669-70.
- here's a good resource for Hebrew calendar
- http://www.viewzone.com/calendarx.html
Bryancampbell,
re: " ...the Hebrew calendar is a lunar set calender. The Shabbat isn't always on a Saturday [7th day of the week], it could be on a Wednesday [4th day of the the week] , or late Thursday [5th day of the week] depending on the lunar cycle in orbit."
I don't see what lunar cycles have to do with changing the continuity of the days of the week. Perhaps you could explain?
And with regard to your references, do you know for a fact that they show at least one instance where a day during a specific week - let's say the 7th day of that week - was dropped so that there were only 6 days in that week making the next day the 1st day of a new week?
re: " ...the Hebrew calendar is a lunar set calender. The Shabbat isn't always on a Saturday [7th day of the week], it could be on a Wednesday [4th day of the the week] , or late Thursday [5th day of the week] depending on the lunar cycle in orbit."
I don't see what lunar cycles have to do with changing the continuity of the days of the week. Perhaps you could explain?
And with regard to your references, do you know for a fact that they show at least one instance where a day during a specific week - let's say the 7th day of that week - was dropped so that there were only 6 days in that week making the next day the 1st day of a new week?
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Bryancampbell
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Keep reading to the part of Gregorian's civil calender.
And yes the western calendar changes by dropping a specific day each year. Every year doesn't start with Sunday was what I was throwing across the ball park. It would drop numerous if it paralleled with the Hebrew calendar, like I said, which is not.
Bryancampbell,
re: "Keep reading to the part of Gregorian's civil calender."
I don't see the part where it shows that a seven day week was changed to a six day week.
re: "And yes the western calendar changes by dropping a specific day each year."
Those changes have to do with dates and number of days in the month and year. They don't change the continuity of the seven day cycle.
re: "Keep reading to the part of Gregorian's civil calender."
I don't see the part where it shows that a seven day week was changed to a six day week.
re: "And yes the western calendar changes by dropping a specific day each year."
Those changes have to do with dates and number of days in the month and year. They don't change the continuity of the seven day cycle.
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Bryancampbell
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Yes sir, that's the 5th dimension, time and space cannot be broken. It's a continuous from end to start. So for people to claim (in Gregorian) to keep the seventh day, it's not always Saturday if they go by years. Get my drift?
You are trying to use our physical world thinking to fathom the spiritual world thinking. Our physical world reflects the spiritual one and God uses the rhythms of our time. God blesses Saturday, and we are to honor that, but God also says we are to obey the law but not the "letter of the law". We aren't to make it a physical thing, it is spiritual. I don't think God is looking at different time zones or different calendars to make spiritual time the same as our physical time.
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Bryancampbell
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It's not a question if I keep GOD's commandments, but how I keep them. If I keep the letter, but not the spirit of the commandment, I am a transgressor. If I keep the spirit of the commandment, the letter becomes insignificant... except to pharisees...
No offense intended to you but this information about the change of time is MBFM...
In October of 1582, the first week of the Month went like this...
Sunday was the 30th of Sept., Monday was the first of Oct., Tuesday was the second of Oct., Wednesday was the third, Thursday was the fourth, Friday was the 15th, Saturday was the 16th etc.
Now at changed in the seven day cycle of the week? Nothing.
They changed dates to coincide with the seasons due to an imperfect calendar, but the weekly cycle never changed. Sunday has always been the first dayof the week and Saturday the seventh day.
Here is a little helpful reading on the calendar and time verses the weekly cycle...
Has Time Been Lost?
Well if I keep the Spirit of the law against murder is the letter insignificant? Is murdering acceptable as long as deep down in the Spirit I am thinking good thoughts as I pull the trigger?
I think it takes botht the letter and the Spirit.
You really made an insignificant point. The people had already been baptized unto Moses, and the formal giving of the law was less than 20 days after Exodus 16:26-28.
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Bryancampbell
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John, Michael, your argument is invalid, you can't just start judging people for resting on a different day. Your to legalistic.
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Bryancampbell
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You do know, if you believe you MUST keep the sabbath, your obligated to keep the sabbath year. I just realized that Leviticus 25:17. You guys must be under law and not grace....so tell me how you complete the law yourself?
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Bryancampbell
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I believe that the change that was made to Gods Sabbath by the church of Rome will one day be enforced. I believe that is the Mark of the Beast.
So,, if you think I'm being trivial and petty,,, you have erred.
If I wasn't sure what the Mark of the Beast was,,, I wouldn't care.. So,, There is a reason why I am ringing the fire bell.