A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people

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No it's not. The sabbath was a sign that GOD was the one sanctifying Israel.
The Sabbath was created 2500 years before the Jewish nation even existed. It was created as a Memorial to Gods Creative power.

The Sabbath was made for men,,, all men,, not exclusively for the jew.
 
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The Sabbath was created 2500 years before the Jewish nation even existed. It was created as a Memorial to Gods Creative power.

The Sabbath was made for men,,, all men,, not exclusively for the jew.
But it wasn't implemented as law until the Mosaic covenant. It is specifically stated within that law that the sabbath was a sign that GOD was the one sanctifying Israel.

In fact, between Genesis and the Mosaic law I can't recall anything in scripture even mentioning the sabbath.
 
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But it wasn't implemented as law until the Mosaic covenant. It is specifically stated within that law that the sabbath was a sign that GOD was the one sanctifying Israel.

In fact, between Genesis and the Mosaic law I can't recall anything in scripture even mentioning the sabbath.
God Blessed the Sabbath day. God set it apart. God made it Holy. God never removed His blessing from that day. He didn't alter it in any way. Therefore it remains on the 7th day.. God established the 7 day cycle we call a week... Nothing has changed... Adam kept the Sabbath,, and thru Adam so did his descendants.
 
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God Blessed the Sabbath day. God set it apart. God made it Holy. God never removed His blessing from that day. He didn't alter it in any way. Therefore it remains on the 7th day.. God established the 7 day cycle we call a week... Nothing has changed... Adam kept the Sabbath,, and thru Adam so did his descendants.
That's great. Can the sabbath make you holy?
 
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The good of it comes from keeping it... It makes me happy.
"Happy is he that keepeth the law." Proverbs 29:18
That's great. So by your admission it has nothing to do with GOD, but with your own happiness.
 
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God Blessed the Sabbath day. God set it apart. God made it Holy. God never removed His blessing from that day. He didn't alter it in any way. Therefore it remains on the 7th day.. God established the 7 day cycle we call a week... Nothing has changed... Adam kept the Sabbath,, and thru Adam so did his descendants.
Look back then during the age of the apostles, they taught on Sabbath in synagogues because that's where the crowds and people gathered for worship and admiration (Acts 18:4). So the apostles, most likely Paul, would set Sunday aside for God because they taught during the 7th day. Paul said it like this Colossians 2:16-17. Doesn't matter what day just keep it holy and set apart (Hebrews 4:9).
 

zone

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WHICH IS TRUE?

Salvation by grace through faith, but maintained by commandment-keeping and repentance. Seventh-day (Saturday) Sabbath observance is the sign of the seal of God; Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

Salvation is by God’s grace, not by an individual’s good works. It must be received by faith. Salvation is maintained by God’s grace and by His life which He grants when believers are born again by His Spirit.
 
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WHICH IS TRUE?

Salvation by grace through faith, but maintained by commandment-keeping and repentance. Seventh-day (Saturday) Sabbath observance is the sign of the seal of God; Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

Salvation is by God’s grace, not by an individual’s good works. It must be received by faith. Salvation is maintained by God’s grace and by His life which He grants when believers are born again by His Spirit.
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord (i.e., by faith), so walk ye in him (i.e., by faith). Colossians 2:6
 
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That's great. So by your admission it has nothing to do with GOD, but with your own happiness.
I keep the Commandments of God because I love Jesus.

Jesus said "If ye Love me, keep My Commandments."


The same reason I am faithful to my wife. Beacause I love her.

If you would realize you keep Gods law because you love Him,, it becomes rather simple.

But,, if you don't love your wife,,I'm sure you would not do the things that show her you lover her. Same with Christ.

Folks that don't want to keep the law,,don't love Jesus... Folks that have affairs on their spouses,, cant say they love their spouses with all their heart. Same with Commandment breakers.
 

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Seventh Day Adventists like to tell us to keep the commandments. What I would love to know is which commandments are they telling us to keep?

Are we to keep all 613 commandments of the old testament or just some?

Who decides which ones we don't keep?
if we are to keep one, then we are required to keep all

  1. Romans 3:19
    Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
  2. Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
  3. Romans 3:21 [ God’s Righteousness Through Faith ] But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
  4. Romans 3:27 [ Boasting Excluded ] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
  5. Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
  6. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
  7. Romans 4:7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;

    Romans 4:13 [ The Promise Granted Through Faith ] For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
    Romans 4:14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,
    Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

    Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
    Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
    Romans 6:19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.







 

john832

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But it wasn't implemented as law until the Mosaic covenant. It is specifically stated within that law that the sabbath was a sign that GOD was the one sanctifying Israel.

In fact, between Genesis and the Mosaic law I can't recall anything in scripture even mentioning the sabbath.
This is MBFM
 

homwardbound

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Sure there is...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

You do sin, don't you? I will be honest with you and all, I sin. I am not perfect, I transgress and must go before the throne daily to have my sins forgiven.



so what do you do with this,
Hebrews 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

And redemption, reconciliation, reconciled are all another term for being forgiven yes?
2 Corinthians 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.
Colossians 1:19 [ Reconciled in Christ ] For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
Colossians 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled
Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),
Romans 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—
Ephesians 1:3 [ Redemption in Christ ] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
Ephesians 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

I am at rest every day being placed in the new life, in the resurrected Christ, born again by God in God's Spirit, where no sin can ever occur, dead to the self daily, by be co-crucified with Christ daily
 

john832

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But it wasn't implemented as law until the Mosaic covenant. It is specifically stated within that law that the sabbath was a sign that GOD was the one sanctifying Israel.

In fact, between Genesis and the Mosaic law I can't recall anything in scripture even mentioning the sabbath.
Hmmm, lemme see...

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

The operative words in the above quote are "I can't recall". Just because you cannot, doesn't make it so.
 

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zone,

re: "BUT....the Feast of Tabernacles was fulfilled at Pentecost"


Any thoughts on Zechariah 14:16-19 which takes place after the Messiah sets up His kingdom at the second coming?

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord shakes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
 

homwardbound

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So what now? You don't even try? You just do whatever you wish? Do you murder often? How about number eight? C'mon, fess up, the one you really take issue with is number four.
Why you try and tempt God, don't you know God has called you to live a new life in God through the resurrected Christ, by the Spirit of Christ. God through the resurrection of his Son has called you to do as his Son did for you
[h=3]Romans 6[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Dead to Sin, Alive to God[/h]6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, [SUP]6 [/SUP]knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For he who has died has been freed from sin. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, [SUP]9 [/SUP]knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.


What, today after the cross is the only way God accepts worship? Flesh or Spirit?


  1. John 4:23
    But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
  2. John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
  3. John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

    Does any flesh please God besides what Christ did in the flesh?
    Did Christ not say that one must be born again?
    And since it is a gift, from God how is this done, re-read romans 6

    It is no longer a matter of whether I sin or not, it is a matter of Christ that took it away for me, you and anyone who believes, it has nothing to do with the Human flesh. The human flesh need be put to death in the carnal mind and die with Christ at the death of Christ at the cross. Then the new life is seen, and the deeper this is seen, as one goes deeper in self death with Christ, as Paul did Daily
    It is not about being good or bad enough, it is about whether you believe God or not.