A KISSed History of Beliefs

[CS1]

What you are talking about is Secular Humanism, a Euphemism for Atheism which is indeed a religion but not how I was using the term.

the origin of the word Secular


Secular things are not religious. Anything not affiliated with a church or faith can be called secular.

Non-religious people can be called atheists or agnostics,

but to describe things, activities, or attitudes that have nothing to do with religion or GOD, you can use the word secular.

 

[MeowFlower]

Genesis says absolutely nothing about the "Universe". If God, with a Word, spoke the heavens and the earth into existence, and Christ is that Word, then words mean things.

The word universe will not be found in the original languages of the bible. A brief web search indicates the first English usage of the word universe was from Chaucer in the late 1500's

We should be very careful about using worldly terminology when describing the works and ways of God.

Guess what?
Humans in the world wrote the Bible in human language.

Genesis 1:1 does not need to use the word,universe, for readers to know God created the heavens. Which the word,heavens, means.

God created everything that exists anywhere at all.

Yes,words mean something.

That the word universe isn't found in the first texts if the first Bible doesn't mean the universe as we know it isn't God's creation.

 

[Brasspen]

One reason they want to remove religion from the United States, is so the United States will fall. It's been found in archaeology, they every-time a city, town and nation turned atheist, it was destroyed. The show appeared on either history or discovery channel back in the 90's. Years before they started remove God from school.

Back to the anti-religion in the US, the show said that the people died for one reason or another. War, disease, famine, natural disaster.
It happens shortly after they stop religion. It it means not just Christian.

 

[Brasspen]

Guess what?
Humans in the world wrote the Bible in human language.

Genesis 1:1 does not need to use the word,universe, for readers to know God created the heavens. Which the word,heavens, means.

There is in book matthew spoken by Jesus, '...The heaven's heaven...'.

 

[GWH]

One reason they want to remove religion from the United States, is so the United States will fall. It's been found in archaeology, they every-time a city, town and nation turned atheist, it was destroyed. The show appeared on either history or discovery channel back in the 90's. Years before they started remove God from school.

Back to the anti-religion in the US, the show said that the people died for one reason or another. War, disease, famine, natural disaster.
It happens shortly after they stop religion. It it means not just Christian.

One reason they want to remove religion from the United States, is so the United States will fall. It's been found in archaeology, they every-time a city, town and nation turned atheist, it was destroyed. The show appeared on either history or discovery channel back in the 90's. Years before they started remove God from school.

Back to the anti-religion in the US, the show said that the people died for one reason or another. War, disease, famine, natural disaster.
It happens shortly after they stop religion. It it means not just Christian.

Atheists want to remove Christianity and replace it with their religion of Humanism. The atheist opinion is that the existence of a supernatural Deity is not proven, although it is not disproved either, which means that the evidence needs to be evaluated honestly. Atheists assert that one cannot prove a negative, so the burden is on theists to prove God exists. However, this assertion assumes God is not the positive “I AM”.

A neutral statement about ultimate reality is the following: “It is logical to remain open to believing all credible possibilities (those which present sufficient evidence) and to hope the most desirable rational possibility is true.” Alternatively, the Bible indicates that the purpose of this life is rather for humans to prove to God they are worthy of—or qualify for—heaven (cf. DT 6:16 & MT 4:7).

This discussion shows that everyone lives by faith regarding God or ultimate reality (2CR 5:7), and the structure of earthly reality forces souls to choose between various contradictory beliefs and to make (albeit sometimes rather subconsciously) two watershed choices: between nihilism and moralism, and between the various atheistic beliefs and the highest type of theism, NT Christianity. (I believe the last is best: Let there be God!)

 

[p_rehbein]

Pub,

Not extending God's Omnipresence to everywhere is not OMNIpresence. I wonder whether you limit God's holiness also.

If you would like to discuss whether gambling is a sin, I introduced that topic on the Various Moral Issues thread, but apparently you do not realize that we won't know whose definition of universe/heavens/world is correct until we get to heaven at which point I will forgive your debt for the lost bet. :^)

IF you believe what you posted here, then you must also believe that what you are posting concerning Scripture is your opinion only, right? If so, then your opinion is no more valuable than any other believers opinion. You would be well served to let folks know you are posting your opinion(s) and not Biblical Truth.

 

[GWH]

IF you believe what you posted here, then you must also believe that what you are posting concerning Scripture is your opinion only, right? If so, then your opinion is no more valuable than any other believers opinion. You would be well served to let folks know you are posting your opinion(s) and not Biblical Truth.

I assume you believe that what you just posted is truth, and similarly I believe/hope that the opinions I post regarding GW are truth or inspired by the HS, whom Jesus said would guide us into all truth (JN 16:13).

 

[Brasspen]

However, this assertion assumes God is not the positive “I AM”.

And the thing about their flaw, is God has proven himself, many many times. The miracles are still manifesting till this day. It's written, '...and these signs shall follow those who believe...' They shall cast out demons, heal the sick, raise the dead. God does not what us witnessing without proving it. This is how the 12 apostles did it, during Jesus and after Jesus. In the book of Matthew and Acts. You have to prove it, by using the authority God gives you to show it.

These people see the miracle happen, but deny it real. It's written also in the bible, That they will not turn to God, because stepping into the light reproves them of their sin.

And one more thing, It's going to be better for people like Sodom and Gomorrah, then those people, because Sodom and Gomorrah would have gotten saved if they seen it. These people refused to repent from doing evil, even after having seen the proof.

 

[Brasspen]

They are not refusing to believe in God, because of unbelief.

 

[GWH]

And the thing about their flaw, is God has proven himself, many many times. The miracles are still manifesting till this day. It's written, '...and these signs shall follow those who believe...' They shall cast out demons, heal the sick, raise the dead. God does not what us witnessing without proving it. This is how the 12 apostles did it, during Jesus and after Jesus. In the book of Matthew and Acts. You have to prove it, by using the authority God gives you to show it.

These people see the miracle happen, but deny it real. It's written also in the bible, That they will not turn to God, because stepping into the light reproves them of their sin.

And one more thing, It's going to be better for people like Sodom and Gomorrah, then those people, because Sodom and Gomorrah would have gotten saved if they seen it. These people refused to repent from doing evil, even after having seen the proof.

While Jesus and the apostles worked miracles, they did NOT teach that "God does not want us witnessing without proving it".

On the contrary, Jesus said, "A wicked generation asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah" (MT 12:39) [IOW Christ's resurrection], and Paul said, "We live by faith, not by sight" (2CR 5:7) [IOW not from miracle to miracle].

 

[Brasspen]

While Jesus and the apostles worked miracles, they did NOT teach that "God does not want us witnessing without proving it".

On the contrary, Jesus said, "A wicked generation asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah" (MT 12:39) [IOW Christ's resurrection], and Paul said, "We live by faith, not by sight" (2CR 5:7) [IOW not from miracle to miracle].

This is true.

 

[Brasspen]

Something about the wicked generation. They had the signs from Jesus, but asked him for a sign anyways.
Thousands gave testimony of Jesus too.

Something I want to say, is We overcame by our testimony.

 

[Brasspen]

I one time witnessed to an atheist in the hospital. He was telling me he didn't believe, then as he was blaspheming God, he looked up right at him.

 

[GWH]

Something about the wicked generation. They had the signs from Jesus, but asked him for a sign anyways.
Thousands gave testimony of Jesus too.

Something I want to say, is We overcame by our testimony.

Well, for many years my witness was confused by those who testified that miracles were frequent in their church or wherever, so I wondered why I never witnessed one and doubted my faith was sufficient.

 

[Brasspen]

I have had healing done in my body. And I have come from trash to better health. Still improving. I have seen some things God has done. He one time manifested prophecy through me. The person died just like he said he would, a car crash. I gave witness to him to take Jesus. But then he blasphemed God, and died one week later in the car crash.

I was angry and told a plant to die. It died. After feeling bad about it, I told it to live again. It took some time for these too happen, but it happened.

One time I didn't have the money to pay for the gas at a gas station. I had prayed to God to save me some how. I then reached into my pocked and found money.

I have cast out demon from someone before.

God has manifested these miracles in me, so I do believe.
The things about miracles that happen, is God is the one who does it, not the person. Sometimes he will say no, by not doing it for you.

 

[GWH]

I have had healing done in my body. And I have come from trash to better health. Still improving. I have seen some things God has done. He one time manifested prophecy through me. The person died just like he said he would, a car crash. I gave witness to him to take Jesus. But then he blasphemed God, and died one week later in the car crash.

I was angry and told a plant to die. It died. After feeling bad about it, I told it to live again. It took some time for these too happen, but it happened.

One time I didn't have the money to pay for the gas at a gas station. I had prayed to God to save me some how. I then reached into my pocked and found money.

I have cast out demon from someone before.

God has manifested these miracles in me, so I do believe.
The things about miracles that happen, is God is the one who does it, not the person. Sometimes he will say no, by not doing it for you.

Well, I am glad that you have experienced enough miracles to motivate you to believe, and I hope there will be more so that you will persevere in faith, but I am now confident of my salvation without needing miracles to prove my faith, because of LGW.

LIC

 

[Eli1]

I one time witnessed to an atheist in the hospital. He was telling me he didn't believe, then as he was blaspheming God, he looked up right at him.

I'm curious about this.
Can you explain a bit more since i didn't understand quite clearly?

You were talking to an atheist about God and he looked up to God and he was swearing at God or something?

 

[GWH]

Okay then, back to the boring HOB.

In 586 Nebuchadnezzar burned Jerusalem and carried the upper classes of people back to Babylon. He was succeeded by Amel-Marduk in 561. Apparently the prophet Daniel was one of the exiles taken in 605 by Nebuchadnezzar, and Ezekiel was taken captive in 597. After the death of the Median king Cyaxares, Cyrus II of Persia overthrew the rule of Astyages about 550 and issued an edict permitting the Jews and other captives to leave Babylon and return to their homelands. By this time an important new Jewish institution had developed—the synagogue or school for studying the Mosaic Law—and with it a new personality, the teacher or rabbi.

Meanwhile, in Greece the nascence of science can be marked by Thales’ (d.c. 545) attempt to find naturalistic explanations for phenomena and his concern about the most basic element composing material substances. Pythagoras (c.525), a transmigrationist, marked the rise of mathematics, viewing it as the essence of the world. About 500, Parmenides taught that being is eternal and change is illusion, while Heraclitus said that all is in flux, opposites define each other, and the One is world, symbolized by fire.

During this period in India, Hinduism assimilated new views collected in the Upanishads. Then Mahavira (d.527) founded an ascetic sect known as Jainism and Siddhartha Gautama (d.483) founded Buddhism, teaching the attainment of nirvana by means of meditation and enlightenment.

In China Lao Tzu (d.c.517) founded Taoism and Confucius (d.479) developed his pragmatic philosophy. In Japan, Shinto ancestor worship existed during the Yamato dynasty (b.660).

In Persia the preaching of Zoroaster (d.c.551) was incorporated in the Avesta, which shows affinities with the Rig-Veda.

In Carthage about 520, explorers sailed around the coast of Africa as far as Sierra Leone.

 

[SomeDisciple]

in China the Shang dynasty began about 1700, but still little is known about civilizations in the Orient,

In China Lao Tzu (d.c.517) founded Taoism

Lao Tzu authored Tao te Ching; but I can tell by his writing he would have never had himself deified, or allowed Taoism to progress over time in the manner that it did. Tao te Ching is the most perceptive writing in the ancient world written by a gentile that I am aware of, and it is no surprise that it is the second-most translated book in the world after the holy scriptures themselves.

The Chinese oracle-bone script characters, which are dated from 1100- 1400BC indicate that the beginning of the book of Genesis was known by the ancient Chinese.... either that or God subtly encoded it into their written language after the dispersion of the tower of Babel.

I Ching is often referred to as a "divination manual", and it was used for that; but I think that there is symbiology in it that points back to Genesis.

 

[GWH]

Lao Tzu authored Tao te Ching; but I can tell by his writing he would have never had himself deified, or allowed Taoism to progress over time in the manner that it did. Tao te Ching is the most perceptive writing in the ancient world written by a gentile that I am aware of, and it is no surprise that it is the second-most translated book in the world after the holy scriptures themselves.

The Chinese oracle-bone script characters, which are dated from 1100- 1400BC indicate that the beginning of the book of Genesis was known by the ancient Chinese.... either that or God subtly encoded it into their written language after the dispersion of the tower of Babel.

I Ching is often referred to as a "divination manual", and it was used for that; but I think that there is symbiology in it that points back to Genesis.

Thanks SD,

Such commentary and elaboration is invited and appreciated.