Abide in Christ, or in sin

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"we all love christ" is not true. it is a direct falsehood. neither yahweh, yahshua, nor yahweh's written WORD ever says that. (concerning any group of believers mixed with unbelievers).
 
DesiredHaven said:
Then let us be a joke to you, I am fine with being a joke to you.
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That is why you will never be right...no ability to step back and say...you know what Your right and I/we have done the same thing we accuse you of.....the same syndrome that strikes all who will not admit sin and short coming while boasting of ones own righteousness....

Adam, EVE, Cain, Pharisees...doesn't matter..no ability to admit error and blame everybody else! Whatever! Good luck with your theology............
 
dcontroversal said:
Do you suppose the Pharisees felt the love oozing from Jesus when he called them white washed coffins and blind leaders of the blind? Or maybe when John called the Pharisees a generation of vipers? And your comments prove your disingenuous attitude as well....Does your posting of spitting cobras demonstrate your love for those supposedly in darkness or his curse on supposed lost men?

You guys are nothing more than a joke....you do the same thing you accuse others of doing......no matter how you slice and dice it!
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The Lord Jesus of Matthew 23 would be banned here, in short order. It's part of the angel of light routine, to elicit tacit approval and squash dissent of lies, an effort to isolate and discredit real Christians, in a fog of false piety and political correctness. But,

2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
 
Jeff_56 said:
he gets a few things right(apparently), and several things way off. go figure.....

notice when his 'doctrines' are proven false, he gets real upset.....
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Yeah...I know.....everybody forgets that your all that and a bag of chips when it comes to knowledge.......whatever dude!
 
skylove7 said:
So are you saying...its alright for YOU or anyone to judge our walk with The Lord? But God forbid, we defend ourselves and Christian names, because you feel you are RIGHT in everything you say?
Please forgive me...but I assure you we do NOT spit venom from our tongues, for in all the words of God and love that come from all of our hearts. I think spitting sugar would be more appropriate! Because we ALL love Christ,...:) Peace to you! Least I pray you have it within.
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My threads are directed to all, and for all to comment on. My threads and comments in them are not personal attacks on certain single individuals. There is a big difference between posting threads against sinful behavior that might offend many, verses making nasty, abusive, false accusations, railings and blasphemy against a single poster on this sight.

Hopefully you will be able to recognize the difference. Have a nice day :)
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
My threads are directed to all, and for all to comment on. My threads and comments in them are not personal attacks on certain single individuals. There is a big difference between posting threads against sinful behavior that might offend many, verses making nasty, abusive, false accusations, railings and blasphemy against a single poster on this sight.

Hopefully you will be able to recognize the difference. Have a nice day :)
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Well I am not always right...and I will admit that. But I did indeed ask God for forgiveness today,..for anything I may have said wrong to anyone today. Love be with you all! Peace in Jesus name. Good day.
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
.... Hopefully you will be able to recognize the difference. Have a nice day :)
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she gets mad and offended often, and every time when her error is pointed out no matter if directed to her or to someone else's post (there's some 'doctrines' or beliefs that can't stand in the light.

i gave up though.... mostly.... there's no indication to keep trying, no purpose ...


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and i just read the last post.... we'll see.... maybe there is hope....
 
Wow this is really sad seeing so many that love Jesus go back and forth like they are against each other. I swear each side here feels the same way basically it's just preexisting arguments and ideas about what the other side believes blinds you and causes a line in the sand to be draw. I also have to point out from and outsiders perspective the OSAS team comes off WAY more aggressive and more aggressive then the so called "works salvation side", who seem to use more scripture to back up there claims too BTW.

Here’s the main thing from my point of view, I really don't see anyone saying "you have to be without sin to stay saved", nor do I see the OSAS crew saying "once I make this promise I can sin as much asI want and still go to heaven". Yet that’s what I see y'all accusing each other of in thread after thread after thread, etc...

I know that this was how it worked for me, I went through a crazy traumatic event in my life that slowly over 2 years completely killed my pride all while I already thought Iwas a Christian. I made my little promise and was even dunked under water for good measure, but never knew Him. This event happened and over the course ofthe 2 years wanted nothing but death period. I had 2 boys and they keep me from taking myself out, but I still wanted to just die. I hit my knees one day andcried out, not for Jesus or God, or even help from them. I thought I had already “done that”, but I just said “I can’t do it anymore x3, World you win I lose and I quit”, that was it. Really what happen was that was when my pride died and when God saw I was ready for Him.

The next day I realized the suicidal thoughts that had plagued me every 5 seconds for the last 2 years strait were gone and I actually felt better. It took about a week before I realized what had taken place and that all this bible/Jesus stuff was literally true and that I was reborn. Since that day I have been completely different. I act different, I talk different, I see things different, I was made a whole new man from the inside out. Does either side disagree with that? Since then I have quit playing video games, quit looking at porn, taken the TV’s out of my house, started helping my wife more, playing and teaching my sons more and spending more time with them, do my job better with a better attitude, etc., etc., etc., and I don’t do any of this tokeep my salvation. As a matter of fact I don’t do it at all, the Holy Spirit inside me has lead me to all these changes. Does either side disagree with this?

Do I still catch myself sinning now? Yes I do, but it’s not like it was before, if I do say get angry while driving I realize that rightaway and WANT to correct it, not to keep salvation but to try to honor mysavior. Is that me working for salvation? I also don’t feel that anything could ever take that from me. Is that OSAS? Can I go out right now get drunk, steal a car, and use it to run down an old enemy without fear? Nope, my fear of Godwould stop me from doing that. That’s how the spirit works in me and I don’t dothese “works” to keep my salvation, I do it in gratitude for it and feel that is what the “works crowd” is taking about for the most part. I also feel thatnothing can take that from me without having been completely deceived, is that me in the eternal security crowd?

I truly hate this argument so much because I see brothers on both sides and think this gang mentality is keeping us from being as loving to each other as we’re called to be. That’s just my “super long” opinion on the matter. Can’t we just question each other more lovingly and maybe even in pm’s if we think someone is really in danger? Just a thought, not that I’m any better, I know I’ve been in these discussions more than once myself. Anyway with all that said I love ALL of you and hope you all have a great and safe Memorial Day weekend.
 
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skylove7 said:
Well I am not always right...and I will admit that. But I did indeed ask God for forgiveness today,..for anything I may have said wrong to anyone today. Love be with you all! Peace in Jesus name. Good day.
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Just don't fall for these peoples tricks. They're the kind who will be knocking on your door and peeking in your windows relentlessly.
 
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Jimbone said:
Wow this is really sad seeing so many that love Jesus goback and forth like they are against each other. I swear each side here feelsthe same way basically it's just preexisting arguments and ideas about what theother side believes blinds you and causes a line in the sand to be draw. I alsohave to point out from and outsiders perspective the OSAS team comes off WAYmore aggressive and more aggressive then the so called "works salvationside", who seem to use more scripture to back up there claims too BTW.

Here’s the main thing from my point of view, I really don'tsee anyone saying "you have to be without sin to stay saved", nor doI see the OSAS crew saying "once I make this promise I can sin as much asI want and still go to heaven". Yet that’s what I see y'all accusing eachother of in thread after thread after thread, etc...

I know that this washow it worked for me, I went through a crazy traumatic event in my life thatslowly over 2 years completely killed my pride all while I already thought Iwas a Christian. I made my little promise and was even dunked under water forgood measure, but never knew Him. This event happened and over the course ofthe 2 years wanted nothing but death period. I had 2 boys and they keep me fromtaking myself out, but I still wanted to just die. I hit my knees one day andcried out, not for Jesus or God, or even help from them. I thought I hadalready “done that”, but I just said “I can’t do it anymore x3, World you win Ilose and I quit”, that was it. Really what happen was that was when my pridedied and when God saw I was ready for Him.

The next day I realized the suicidal thoughts that had plaguedme every 5 seconds for the last 2 years strait were gone and I actually feltbetter. It took about a week before I realized what had taken place and thatall this bible/Jesus stuff was literally true and that I was reborn. Since thatday I have been completely different. I act different, I talk different, I seethings different, I was made a whole new man from the inside out. Does eitherside disagree with that? Since then I have quit playing video games, quitlooking at porn, taken the TV’s out of my house, started helping my wife more,playing and teaching my sons more and spending more time with them, do my jobbetter with a better attitude, etc., etc., etc., and I don’t do any of this tokeep my salvation. As a matter of fact I don’t do it at all, the Holy Spiritinside me has lead me to all these changes. Does either side disagree withthis?

Do I still catch myself sinning now? Yes I do, but it’s notlike it was before, if I do say get angry while driving I realize that rightaway and WANT to correct it, not to keep salvation but to try to honor mysavior. Is that me working for salvation? I also don’t feel that anything couldever take that from me. Is that OSAS? Can I go out right now get drunk, steal acar, and use it to run down an old enemy without fear? Nope, my fear of Godwould stop me from doing that. That’s how the spirit works in me and I don’t dothese “works” to keep my salvation, I do it in gratitude for it and feel thatis what the “works crowd” is taking about for the most part. I also feel thatnothing can take that from me without having been completely deceived, is thatme in the eternal security crowd?

I truly hate this argument so much because I see brothers onboth sides and think this gang mentality is keeping us from being as loving toeach other as we’re called to be. That’s just my “super long” opinion on thematter. Can’t we just question eachother more lovingly and maybe even in pm’s if we think someone is really indanger? Just a thought, not that I’m any better, I know I’ve been in these discussionsmore than once myself. Anyway with all that said I love ALL of you and hope youall have a great and safe Memorial Day weekend.
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This is the lie that they want you to believe. It's the lunatics who define the debate rules and then cry foul when their false definition of decency and honesty are broken. It's manipulation in the passive aggressive sense and it's very effective to those who are blind to it.
 
Please forgive me Christians...this is all I will say, if I may?
But I tend to seek the best in people. There is beauty in some imperfections. A story of forgiveness, and redemption in a sin that God finds forgivable. A story in a scar that we may bare, of strength, courage and Faith to stay in our walk with Christ,...even if I'm crawling.
But self righteousness in NOT appealing, and I'm not accusing anyone of this. I only speak from my own heart. I have seen some on CC...that loves THEMSELVES so much. Tell me...where is there truly room for Christ in their heart. When they always claim they are sinless sinless sinless?
Truly if we were all so above...and mighty! So close to perfection, that we need to let people know this miracle. Then tell me...I suppose Jesus suffered on the cross in vain,...for if we were all so glorious as some confess they are. We wouldn't need Jesus, and God wouldn't have given His only Son I assure you. That's all...forgive me! God bless you all! Love! :)
 
Jimbone said:
Wow this is really sad seeing so many that love Jesus go back and forth like they are against each other. I swear each side here feels the same way basically it's just preexisting arguments and ideas about what the other side believes blinds you and causes a line in the sand to be draw. I also have to point out from and outsiders perspective the OSAS team comes off WAY more aggressive and more aggressive then the so called "works salvation side", who seem to use more scripture to back up there claims too BTW..........
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soul death. soul devastation. souls lost. (to deceptions like the rcc heresy, and false gospels)

what does jesus say. ? repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand. come, follow me. he who obeys me obeys the father. he who obeys the father obeys me. don't be surprised at the fiery trials you will experience if you follow me (count the cost, don't think it will be 'easy street' - no, you won't always have a place to stay, you will often be treated like criminals and outcasts if you follow me. in the world , you will have much tribulation, but be of good cheer, i have overcome the world.
 
JesusIsAll said:
It's so indicative of a hateful rage you'll see of some narcissists. All that was said by somebody is that their claims make Jesus a liar, which is the truth, is a perfectly Biblical observation. You dispute the gospel of Jesus Christ, you are claiming He lied. There's no in-between.

But, anyway, the rage is symptomatic of psychosis, which often goes hand-in-hand with the delusions of grandeur and claims of being without sin. One thing certain types of narcissists can't tolerate is being exposed. They want to control. When they fail, they get angry, and part of that rage is an inability to accept they're not all they think they are, so they lash out at others. This stuff is all clinical borderline disorder. It's not a righteous indignation, but indignation over a breach in this false self image they've created.

Get a book or the like on borderline personality disorders, and it's all there. I'd highly recommend people, just in coping with life, get to know symptoms of various mental disorders, and also learn the false teachings of cults, so they may spot some things, off the bat. You'll spare a lot of trouble, when you know who you're dealing with and just consider the source. There are even borderline personality disorder reasons there are trolls, spoiling for a fight, over anything and everything.
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Woah,
This is good,really good.

Gave you a rep thinggy
 
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Jimbone said:
Wow this is really sad seeing so many that love Jesus go back and forth like they are against each other. I swear each side here feels the same way basically it's just preexisting arguments and ideas about what the other side believes blinds you and causes a line in the sand to be draw. I also have to point out from and outsiders perspective the OSAS team comes off WAY more aggressive and more aggressive then the so called "works salvation side", who seem to use more scripture to back up there claims too BTW.

Here’s the main thing from my point of view, I really don't see anyone saying "you have to be without sin to stay saved", nor do I see the OSAS crew saying "once I make this promise I can sin as much asI want and still go to heaven". Yet that’s what I see y'all accusing each other of in thread after thread after thread, etc...

I know that this was how it worked for me, I went through a crazy traumatic event in my life that slowly over 2 years completely killed my pride all while I already thought Iwas a Christian. I made my little promise and was even dunked under water for good measure, but never knew Him. This event happened and over the course ofthe 2 years wanted nothing but death period. I had 2 boys and they keep me from taking myself out, but I still wanted to just die. I hit my knees one day andcried out, not for Jesus or God, or even help from them. I thought I had already “done that”, but I just said “I can’t do it anymore x3, World you win I lose and I quit”, that was it. Really what happen was that was when my pride died and when God saw I was ready for Him.

The next day I realized the suicidal thoughts that had plagued me every 5 seconds for the last 2 years strait were gone and I actually felt better. It took about a week before I realized what had taken place and that all this bible/Jesus stuff was literally true and that I was reborn. Since that day I have been completely different. I act different, I talk different, I see things different, I was made a whole new man from the inside out. Does either side disagree with that? Since then I have quit playing video games, quit looking at porn, taken the TV’s out of my house, started helping my wife more, playing and teaching my sons more and spending more time with them, do my job better with a better attitude, etc., etc., etc., and I don’t do any of this tokeep my salvation. As a matter of fact I don’t do it at all, the Holy Spirit inside me has lead me to all these changes. Does either side disagree with this?

Do I still catch myself sinning now? Yes I do, but it’s not like it was before, if I do say get angry while driving I realize that rightaway and WANT to correct it, not to keep salvation but to try to honor mysavior. Is that me working for salvation? I also don’t feel that anything could ever take that from me. Is that OSAS? Can I go out right now get drunk, steal a car, and use it to run down an old enemy without fear? Nope, my fear of Godwould stop me from doing that. That’s how the spirit works in me and I don’t dothese “works” to keep my salvation, I do it in gratitude for it and feel that is what the “works crowd” is taking about for the most part. I also feel thatnothing can take that from me without having been completely deceived, is that me in the eternal security crowd?

I truly hate this argument so much because I see brothers on both sides and think this gang mentality is keeping us from being as loving to each other as we’re called to be. That’s just my “super long” opinion on the matter. Can’t we just question each other more lovingly and maybe even in pm’s if we think someone is really in danger? Just a thought, not that I’m any better, I know I’ve been in these discussions more than once myself. Anyway with all that said I love ALL of you and hope you all have a great and safe Memorial Day weekend.
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Great testimony! And yes, sometimes there seems to be a great divide between camps, but I believe there is a middle ground in there somewhere. Peace and God bless.
 
skylove7 said:
Please forgive me Christians...this is all I will say, if I may?
But I tend to seek the best in people. There is beauty in some imperfections. A story of forgiveness, and redemption in a sin that God finds forgivable. A story in a scar that we may bare, of strength, courage and Faith to stay in our walk with Christ,...even if I'm crawling.
But self righteousness in NOT appealing, and I'm not accusing anyone of this. I only speak from my own heart. I have seen some on CC...that loves THEMSELVES so much. Tell me...where is there truly room for Christ in their heart. When they always claim they are sinless sinless sinless?
Truly if we were all so above...and mighty! So close to perfection, that we need to let people know this miracle. Then tell me...I suppose Jesus suffered on the cross in vain,...for if we were all so glorious as some confess they are. We wouldn't need Jesus, and God wouldn't have given His only Son I assure you. That's all...forgive me! God bless you all! Love! :)
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No problem friend
 
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