Precisely. And as you note, the treatment of Mark16:16 is a great example of this.
Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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You don't get out much, obviously. Either that, or you deny the testimony of believers who experience speaking in tongues. In other words, you call them liars. For example, I watched an interview with a missionary who went to Haiti to start at work. She testified that the locals could understand her even though she could not naturally speak the language. She was speaking the language and did not realise it.
Yes, tongues will cease. It is the least of the gifts. But that does not mean it no longer happens. I do not speak in tongues any more. My does often. In case you had not noticed, the perfect has not come as yet. It is presumption to say that the "perfect" refers to the canon of scripture. Scripture says that only a tiny portion of what Jesus did has been recorded. One day, that will all be made clear. Until then, the perfect has not come.
Pretty sure doesn't cut it.
Then those who gladly received his word (through repentance/faith) were afterwards baptized. Just as we see in Acts 10:43-47.
There is only one baptism that saves and places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.
Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.
Circumcision made without hands. See Romans 2:29. Paul clearly teaches that what is signified in baptism (buried and raised with Christ) actually occurs "through faith." Christians are "buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead" (Colossians 2:12). Justification on account of union in Christ's death, burial and resurrection is brought about "through faith" - and is properly symbolized by dipping the new believer in and out of the water.
In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).
Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished. So, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.
I did not twist Mark 16:16. I considered the whole verse (and not merely the first half) then I properly harmonized it with what Jesus said in (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26).
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So, I am like Naaman, prideful and stubborn? You sound very judgmental, which stems from pride.
Water baptism is a work of righteousness (Matthew 3:13-15) and we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done. (Titus 3:5) If water baptism stands between us and heaven, then baptism is a work of merit. Did God water baptize you or did man? You can't have it both ways. You seem to have your own personal definition of non-meritorious works. So, I may find myself without a wedding garment? More judging. Be sure to examine yourself.
What if the spirit of the 'baptized' in Mark 16:16's is a Spirit Ziploc sandwich bag baptism that stands as a Holy Spirit certification (I'm not to evidence in tongues) which works as a better sort of preservation than reading it as a fold top sandwich bag water baptism. Then it would go without saying, as is the pattern of the verse, that those who do not believe are then not (authentically) baptized.
Did God water baptize Jesus or did a man?
Without John (the man) physically water baptizing Jesus, this necessary act of righteousness would not have happened.
This is why Jesus commanded water baptism in Mark 16:16.
You can't have it both ways.
Your faith alone regeneration theology is on full display.
Lk 24:
47 Jesus said repentance & remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And you are witnesses of these things.
49 """I will send the promise of my Father upon you""": but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:5 Jesus Says, John baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence.
10 days later Acts 2:4 they were filled with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10:44 While Peter spoke (Acts 1:24 & 15:8) the Holy Spirit fell on all the gentiles which heard the word.
Acts 10:45 Peter & other believing Jews are ASTONISHED that Jesus baptizes Gentiles with His salvation sealing, eternal life giving Holy Spirit.
Acts 11:17 Peter says God GAVE/baptized the gentiles who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ in/by/with the Holy Spirit
Acts 15:8 God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; at Pentecost > before water
Acts 2:21 (B) whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Gal 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might """receive the promise of the Holy Spirit through faith""".
Jn 1:12 But as many as received him/BELIEVED, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, """even to them that believe on his name""":
Acts 10:45 Ten years after Pentecost Jesus (only He can) baptizes gentiles with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) salvation SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5,) eternal life diving Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself establishes the universal Body of Christ (Jew & Gentile) entry sequence. Hear > Believe > receive the Holy Spirit > water.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].
14 The Spirit is the guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.
Vs13 HEAR > BELIEVE > RECEIVE. Vs14 The Holy Spirit is the guarantee you're FOREVER SAVED!
47 Jesus said repentance & remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And you are witnesses of these things.
49 """I will send the promise of my Father upon you""": but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:5 Jesus Says, John baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence.
10 days later Acts 2:4 they were filled with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10:44 While Peter spoke (Acts 1:24 & 15:8) the Holy Spirit fell on all the gentiles which heard the word.
Acts 10:45 Peter & other believing Jews are ASTONISHED that Jesus baptizes Gentiles with His salvation sealing, eternal life giving Holy Spirit.
Acts 11:17 Peter says God GAVE/baptized the gentiles who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ in/by/with the Holy Spirit
Acts 15:8 God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; at Pentecost > before water
Acts 2:21 (B) whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Gal 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might """receive the promise of the Holy Spirit through faith""".
Jn 1:12 But as many as received him/BELIEVED, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, """even to them that believe on his name""":
Acts 10:45 Ten years after Pentecost Jesus (only He can) baptizes gentiles with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) salvation SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5,) eternal life diving Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself establishes the universal Body of Christ (Jew & Gentile) entry sequence. Hear > Believe > receive the Holy Spirit > water.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].
14 The Spirit is the guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.
Vs13 HEAR > BELIEVE > RECEIVE. Vs14 The Holy Spirit is the guarantee you're FOREVER SAVED!
So, it looks like you're saying baptism is required, but which baptism? I guess we have 3 options:
- water
- Spirit
- water and Spirit
I think both are attested to in Mark.
Closest context seems to tie Mark to Matthew - the Great Commission - where His men are commanded to baptize & He assures them He - the one who will baptize in Spirit - is right there with them.
NKJ Mark16:15-16 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
NKJ Matt28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Maybe He's given them the Ziploc and is the one who seals it shut when they use it as commanded.
John the Baptist water baptized Jesus.
This phrase indicates Jesus was fulfilling every requirement or duty that God demanded, marking the official inauguration of his ministry.
For us to fulfill all righteousness which only Jesus could do?
You can't have it both ways. (Titus 3:5)
Your baptismal regeneration theology is on full display. My faith remains in the Savior God
and not the water god.
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Since when is it prideful to listen to what God said?? You’re wresting Scripture, twisting it to fit into a man-made gospel.
Myles Coverdale, theologian & translator of the Coverdale Bible, taught that Scripture must never be judged by what is spoken or written only, but by asking: of whom, to whom, with what words, at what time, where, for what intent, under what circumstances, and in light of what comes before and after.
Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(NOTE: Gentiles were ""strangers to Jewish covenants"" (Eph 2:12), so anything spoken under those covenants must be interpreted through Coverdale's lens.)
The Assyrian & Babylonian exiles, the Persian Empire, later Greek & Roman migrations, so that by the first century Jews were in ""every nation throughout the world"" (Acts 2:5).
This is where Myles Coverdale's rule becomes essential: to interpret any passage, ask of whom, to whom, when, where, under what covenant, and for what intent.
Jesus said, ""Salvation is of the Jews"" (Jn 4:22): Jesus' earthly ministry was strictly to Israel‑only. Jesus said ""I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"" (Matt 15:24) & commanding His apostles, ""Go not into the way of ""the Gentiles"" (Matt 10:5–6).
Jesus was born under the law & sent to redeem those under the law (Gal 4:4-5) He was a minster to the circumcision/Jews to fulfill promises made to the fathers (Rom 15:8).
Everything Jesus commanded before the cross-including the Great Commission & Mark 16:15–16, was spoken inside a Jewish covenant world, to Jewish apostles, for Israel's scattered sheep, launching the Jew‑first phase of salvation history (Rom 1:16). While alive, Jesus was 100% Mosaic‑Law adherent.
Gentiles remain outside salvations Jewish only offer until Acts 10. Gentiles enter the salvation storyline, when the Lord Jesus Himself (who knows mans heart-acts 1:24, 15:8, Jn 2:24-25, Heb 4:12, Rev 2:23) baptizes these gentile believers with the Holy Spirit-received by FAITH ALONE-no circumcision-no water. Jewish believers are astonished! Peter confirms the event where gentiles were GIVEN the same eternal life seal as they were given at Pentecost (Acts 11:17 & 15:8)
Ten years after Pentecost, in Acts 10:44, Jesus Himself makes salvation universal & believing Gentiles become part of the Body of Christ as Jesus replaces the Jewish‑only Acts 2:38 sequence with the pattern Hear > Believe > Receive the Holy Spirit.
1 John 5:9 comes to mind.
Even if we accept human testimony, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony that God has given about His Son.
Putting that verse back into its context, he verses following it are fairly self-explanatory but look at 1 John 5:8 which speaks of God's testimony about His Son, mentioning that the Spirit, the water, and the blood as being in agreement. Now, we don't have to assume that the Spirit is of God, and the blood is that of Jesus,' so why do we default that the water is specifically speaking of baptism in dihydrogen monoxide?
If you were open minded, you would see that tongues have ceased.
There are many testimonies of Mormons who experience speaking in tongues, do you deny their claims?
Which is the moment of the remission of sins, just as Peter commanded in Acts 2:38.
There is no mention of the remission of sins before water baptism in Acts 10:44-48 that you are citing.
Just try seeing the scriptures without the faith alone regeneration theology filter.
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.
Acts 13:38 - Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.