Adam is not man of ch.1

[tourist]

Really? I hope you are not basing that on this verse “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.” The flood was because of man's wickedness “and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

Do you go to a Church that teaches/preaches topically? Back to the verse, this verse is clear that the nephilim were on the earth in and after those days, which days? The days when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they had children, who's children did they have? They had the children of the sons of God and who were those children? They were mighty men of old, the men of renown, not the men of the nephilim.

This verse is so easy to follow, but if (not saying you are) you are taught the Bible using verse from here and there to make a teaching seem Biblical, it is the reason people can read this verse out of context. Reading chapter 4-5 gives the context that interprets chapter 6, there is no mention of any other geneology or generations other then Adam and Cain. If you read Genesis 4:17-24 you the mention of only only daughter being born to Cain's geneology, then with a reading of 5:4, 7, 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 26, 30, the mention of many daughters and sons born to the geneology of Adam. With these and verses 4:17-24 helps make sense of 6:1, this is the first test from the Lord in the reading of the Bible, it is a contextual test.

The context shows Cain's geneology with only 8 sons and one daughter being born to his geneology and she is not even mentioned as a daughter, she is mentioned as "The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah." Then you read chapter 5 and there's nine verses with the mention of daughters being born to Adam's geneology, you do not need to be a detective to understand the context only has one geneology that did not have an abundance of daughters being born to them, to understand chapter 6 verse 1 to understand that, "when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them," is talking about Cain and his geneology is in the context.

Something to think about.

"ΚΑΙ ἐγένετο ἡνίκα ἤρξαντο οἱ ἄνθρωποι πολλοὶ γίνεσθαι ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, καὶ θυγατέρες ἐγεννήθησαν αὐτοῖς. 2 ἰδόντες δὲ οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ Θεοῦ τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἀνθρώπων ὅτι καλαί εἰσιν, ἔλαβον ἑαυτοῖς γυναῖκας ἀπὸ πασῶν, ὧν ἐξελέξαντο...
οἱ δὲ γίγαντες ἦσαν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις ἐκείναις· καὶ μετ᾿ ἐκεῖνο, ὡς ἂν εἰσεπορεύοντο οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ Θεοῦ πρὸς τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἀνθρώπων, καὶ ἐγεννῶσαν ἑαυτοῖς· ἐκεῖνοι ἦσαν οἱ γίγαντες οἱ ἀπ᾿ αἰῶνος, οἱ ἄνθρωποι οἱ ὀνομαστοί. "

"AND it came to pass when men began to be numerous upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God having seen the daughters of men that they were beautiful, took to themselves wives of all whom they chose...
Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of ancient days, the men of renown. "


I do not see anything about Cain there...

Perhaps he is Abel to.

 

[MarcR]

The dating of the forming or beginning of Adam can’t be reduced to an exact year because as you will see, there are too many variables involved but all result in the same answer.
All of Christianity can be grouped into two classifications, 1. Young – Earth creationists and 2. Old – Earth creationists.
All Young – Earth Creationist put Adam at 4004 BC while all Old – Earth Creationist put Adam at 10,000 BC or older and consider Adam as man in chapter 1 and that we are all descendants of Adam.
The following claim is based completely on seven generations through the lineage of Seth-Genesis ch5 and Cain- Genesis chapter 4,v17 thru v22.
In the generations through Seth, the age of the father at the birth of his first son is given while the ages are not given through the generations of Cain.
This method requires the assumption that seven generations of two brothers will be approximately the same number of years, but it could be hundreds of years off and still have the same result.

Generations through Seth and age at birth Generations through Cain
1) Adam to Seth 130 years 1) Adam to Cain
2) Seth to Enos 105 years 2) Cain to Enoch
3) Enos to Cainan 90 years 3) Enoch to Irad
4) Cainan to Mahalaleel 70 years 4) Irad to Mehujel
5) Mahalaleel to Jared 65 years 5) Mehujel to Methusael
6) Jared to Enoch 162 years 6) Methusael to Lamech
7) Enoch to Methuselah 65 years 7) Lamech to Tubalcain

Adding all the years from Adam to Methuselah equal 687 years.
Tubalcain (the seventh generation thru Cain) has an odd”smoking gun” fact added. “He was an instructor of every artificier in brass and iron:”
This has to mean that he lived at some time during the Iron Age.
Depending on the specific area of the Middle East, these are the generally accepted four ages of man:
Iron Age- 1200 BC to 600 BC
Bronze Age- 3500 BC to 1200 BC
Copper Age- 5500 BC to 3500 BC
Stone Age- 2.6 million to 3500 BC

We don't know when in the iron age Tubalcain lived but:
if we add the seven generations from Adam which equals 687 years to the beginning of the Iron Age and to the end of the Iron Age we get this:
687 687
+1200 BC +600 BC
1887 BC 1287 BC

No matter which number you go by, you come up with Adam being formed in the Bronze Age and nowhere even close to the beginning of mankind.
These two partial chapters of Genesis bring up some questions worth some thought:
1. Seth hadn't been born yet. Who was Cain afraid of that would kill him when no one else existed except for Adam and Eve according to creationism??
2. Who did Cain marry when no one else was around to marry and why did he build a city for himself, his wife, and Enoch??
3. Who did Cain and Seth Mary? A sister???
4. Would it have been God's plan and intention that the descendents of Adam would practice incest and inbreeding??
The most logical answer to all of these questions is that we need to leave Genesis chronologically correct, Adam wasn't man of chapter 1, mankind of chapter 1 was in the existence before Adam was formed and the women of chapter 1 are who Adams descendants married..
This would also mean that not all men are descended from Adam.
This book is evidence that:
All men aren’t direct descendants of Adam.
Adam wasn’t the first man.
Adam of chapter 2 is not man of chapter 1.
This interpretation also leaves Genesis chronologically correct as is all the other books of the Bible.

The following is copied from my post on another thread. Since it fits here I decided to copy it.

Your post is very invenitve but IMPOSSIBLE to justify from the Hebrew text!

Gen 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
KJV

tells us that Eve was the mother of all living [humans]. Eve's name cha vah literally means Life Comes!

In addition the Hebrew grammar does not allow chapter 2 to be read as a separate event from verse 1!


Gen 2:4
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
KJV

These אֵ֣לֶּה In Hebrew, the noun that a pronoun refers to ALWAYS precedes the pronoun. Thus ALL THAT FOLLOWS is referred back to chapter 1. The fact that this pronoun is plural indicates that it looks back to multiple statements or events.

are the generations תוֺלְד֛וֺת usually means genealogies; but in this case it means history of the origin.

in the day בְּיׄוֺם can mean either in the day or in the time [duration unspecified]. Since it refers back to chapter 1, we know 6 days were involved [ plus an optional gap between either verses 1 and 2, and/or verses 2 and 3].

 

[joefizz]

The dating of the forming or beginning of Adam can’t be reduced to an exact year because as you will see, there are too many variables involved but all result in the same answer.
All of Christianity can be grouped into two classifications, 1. Young – Earth creationists and 2. Old – Earth creationists.
All Young – Earth Creationist put Adam at 4004 BC while all Old – Earth Creationist put Adam at 10,000 BC or older and consider Adam as man in chapter 1 and that we are all descendants of Adam.
The following claim is based completely on seven generations through the lineage of Seth-Genesis ch5 and Cain- Genesis chapter 4,v17 thru v22.
In the generations through Seth, the age of the father at the birth of his first son is given while the ages are not given through the generations of Cain.
This method requires the assumption that seven generations of two brothers will be approximately the same number of years, but it could be hundreds of years off and still have the same result.

Generations through Seth and age at birth Generations through Cain
1) Adam to Seth 130 years 1) Adam to Cain
2) Seth to Enos 105 years 2) Cain to Enoch
3) Enos to Cainan 90 years 3) Enoch to Irad
4) Cainan to Mahalaleel 70 years 4) Irad to Mehujel
5) Mahalaleel to Jared 65 years 5) Mehujel to Methusael
6) Jared to Enoch 162 years 6) Methusael to Lamech
7) Enoch to Methuselah 65 years 7) Lamech to Tubalcain

Adding all the years from Adam to Methuselah equal 687 years.
Tubalcain (the seventh generation thru Cain) has an odd”smoking gun” fact added. “He was an instructor of every artificier in brass and iron:”
This has to mean that he lived at some time during the Iron Age.
Depending on the specific area of the Middle East, these are the generally accepted four ages of man:
Iron Age- 1200 BC to 600 BC
Bronze Age- 3500 BC to 1200 BC
Copper Age- 5500 BC to 3500 BC
Stone Age- 2.6 million to 3500 BC

We don't know when in the iron age Tubalcain lived but:
if we add the seven generations from Adam which equals 687 years to the beginning of the Iron Age and to the end of the Iron Age we get this:
687 687
+1200 BC +600 BC
1887 BC 1287 BC

No matter which number you go by, you come up with Adam being formed in the Bronze Age and nowhere even close to the beginning of mankind.
These two partial chapters of Genesis bring up some questions worth some thought:
1. Seth hadn't been born yet. Who was Cain afraid of that would kill him when no one else existed except for Adam and Eve according to creationism??
2. Who did Cain marry when no one else was around to marry and why did he build a city for himself, his wife, and Enoch??
3. Who did Cain and Seth Mary? A sister???
4. Would it have been God's plan and intention that the descendents of Adam would practice incest and inbreeding??
The most logical answer to all of these questions is that we need to leave Genesis chronologically correct, Adam wasn't man of chapter 1, mankind of chapter 1 was in the existence before Adam was formed and the women of chapter 1 are who Adams descendants married..
This would also mean that not all men are descended from Adam.
This book is evidence that:
All men aren’t direct descendants of Adam.
Adam wasn’t the first man.
Adam of chapter 2 is not man of chapter 1.
This interpretation also leaves Genesis chronologically correct as is all the other books of the Bible.

So.....
Basically you are claiming men and women existed before Adam and Eve yet "conveniently" you can't supply "any names" of those beings yet somehow you expect to "establish being correct" based upon "different ages" so in short your share is nothing more than what in the old days was called "idle prattle".(pointless belief and banter)

 

[RickyZ]

I also think that "sons of God" was an ancient term for beings different from humans.

I've heard arguments made that say these were children born to Adam and Eve prior to their fall.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I've heard arguments made that say these were children born to Adam and Eve prior to their fall.

I've also heard arguments that the cow jumped over the moon and that the dish ran away with the spoon.

 

[graceNpeace]

I've also heard arguments that the cow jumped over the moon and that the dish ran away with the spoon.

Funniest comment from you I have ever read!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Where do all of the nut jobs come from???????

No telling, but the theology seemingly comes from a cracker jack box!

 

[trofimus]

I've heard arguments made that say these were children born to Adam and Eve prior to their fall.

Thats an interesting hypothesis, thanks for the info.

But in the Old Testament (and also in extra biblical books of old) its always used for angels.

 

[trofimus]

It there were other humans before Adam, why it is said that Adam could not find a help equal to him?

I know, he was looking at animals only. But that sentence would not make much sense, if there were other humans near.

 

[Johnny_B]

I do not see anything about Cain there. I also think that "sons of God" was an ancient term for beings different from humans.

That is because you did not follow the context of the geneologies. We are going to base our interpretation of the Word of God on what we think to fit our theology. Can you show me were there is the introduction of beings other than humans in the context of Genesis 1:26-5:32?

When Genesis 6:1, 3, 5-50:26 stays with the context of humans, that would make 6:2, 4 be life forms other than human in the context of all of Genesis.

Genesis 4:16-24 “Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden.17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech.19 Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah.20 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.21 His brother’s name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute.22 And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.

23 Then Lamech said to his wives: “Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; wives of Lamech, listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, even a young man for hurting me.24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”

The context of Genesis 4:16-24 is Cain's family that had 8 sons that were patriarchs in Cain's geneology, with the mention of one females being the sister of Tubal-Cain how was Naamah, she was not even mentioned as being a daughter born to Lamech, no one other than human beings in that geneology.

Genesis 4:25-5:32 is the geneology of Adam, with a son being born to him as the new patriarch to Adam and Seth had a son as well. Genesis 4:25-26 “And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, “For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed.”26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.”

Notice that after Enosh's brith, "men began to call on the name of the Lord" what is interesting is that in 5:24 we see that one of Adam's patriarchs walked with God andwas taken, he could of walked with God as Adam and Eve did in the garden, here the verse. “And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.” Now we can look back to Cain's geneology and one of his patriarchs, Lamech followed in the foot-steps of Cain. Genesis 4:23-24 “Then Lamech said to his wives: “Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; wives of Lamech, listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, even a young man for hurting me.24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”

When you read Genesis 4:16 and 4:26 we see that the two geneologies are going in two different directions, Genesis 4:16 “Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden.” Genesis 4:26 “And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.” With these verses we see that the two geneologies were headed in different directions, with Adam's geneology birthing many children and the mention of many daugthers.

Genesis 5:4 “After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.” 5:7 “After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:10 “After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:13 “After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:16 “After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:19 “After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:22 “After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:26 “After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:30 “After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters.”

Go back up to Cain's geneology and there is no mention of any daughter being born to his geneology, but reading through the context of Genesis 5 we read of 9 different patriarchs having daughters born to them. Genesis 6:1 “Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,”

Now what came to pass? "When men began to multiply on the face of the earth" Who's geneology had 8 sons born to him with no mention of sons and daughters being born to them? Cain's. Now who's geneology has no mention of a daugter being born to his patriachs? Cain's, so in that context of Genesis 4:16-5:32 who would be the ones that are multiplaying on the face of the earth “and daughters were born to them,”? There is only one genealogy that has no mention of daughters being born to them, with only 8 sons being born to him and that is Cain. ​Now that Cain's genealogy is multiplying on the face of the earth and daughters being born to him now, who does that leave on earth that could take Cain's daughters as wives? Adam's genealogy who are called the sons of God only because they had been the ones that started to call on the name of the Lord. Those titles were only to identify the two different genealogies because of how they had been living before wickedness fill their hearts. It is the only logical conclusion that one group was Cain's genealogy and the other was Adam's genealogy, there are no other groups of mankind on the face of the earth.

The nephilim are mentioned in 6:4, the root word for nephilim of "to fall" and when we read 6:5 “Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” We can conclude that many men have fallen, from both genealogies, yes Lamech killed a man and Cain and his offspring dwelt outside the presents of the Lord, but Genesis 4:26 does not limit the men that called on the name of the Lord as Adam's genealogy only. But by this point “the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

Also notice here the change of wording from "men" that were multiplying on the face of the earth, "the wickedness of man was great in earth, and that every intent of the thought of his heart was only evil continually." Men was a group that was multiplying and man is all of mankind or humans, it fits the context of the Scripture.

 

[Joseppi]

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, KJV

These אֵ֣לֶּהIn Hebrew, the noun that a pronoun refers to ALWAYS precedes the pronoun. Thus ALL THAT FOLLOWS is referred back to chapter 1. The fact that this pronoun is plural indicates that it looks back to multiple statements or events.

are the generations תוֺלְד֛וֺת usually means genealogies; but in this case it means history of the origin.

In the Authorized Genesis 2:4 introduces a change in topic.
The new topic is generations resulting from God’s creative acts.
Thus, we find that chapter two deals with things, such as, how plants grew once they had been created, how the woman was generated, that plants were planted, that growth is of God, how God watered the earth etc.

The topic of generations continues throughout the book of Genesis and the whole of scripture because the Bible is God’s legal written testament. As such it provides accurate genealogies leading to Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
This means that tampering with the text is illegal.

So chapter two isn’t confined by chronology at all. You can understand the order of events to some extent but chronology is not the concern. Which is why some get confused about the narrative in that they refuse to accept the topical change that occurred in Genesis 2:4.

 

[tanakh]

Where do all of the nut jobs come from???????

Im not sure but This Seems to be where they end up

 

[garee]

Adding all the years from Adam to Methuselah equal 687 years.
Tubalcain (the seventh generation thru Cain) has an odd”smoking gun” fact added. “He was an instructor of every artificier in brass and iron:”
This has to mean that he lived at some time during the Iron Age.
Depending on the specific area of the Middle East, these are the generally accepted four ages of man:

It means that both Adam and Tubal Cain lived at the same time era.

In order to belive God we are not dependent on specific area of the east as to their private interpretations. . The Bible is a closed book not subject to the witness of men as the philosophies thereof..We rather serve a law of faith in respect to that not seen as it is written..

The beginning of the iron age no one knows. Flaming red hot Swords were already introduced in Genesis. Adam who was around for 930 years could have had the knowledge of Tubal Cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron:. He had children after that.

Gen 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew

 

[garee]

That is because you did not follow the context of the geneologies. We are going to base our interpretation of the Word of God on what we think to fit our theology. Can you show me were there is the introduction of beings other than humans in the context of Genesis 1:26-5:32?

When Genesis 6:1, 3, 5-50:26 stays with the context of humans, that would make 6:2, 4 be life forms other than human in the context of all of Genesis.

Genesis 4:16-24 “Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden.17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech.19 Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah.20 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.21 His brother’s name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute.22 And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.

23 Then Lamech said to his wives: “Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; wives of Lamech, listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, even a young man for hurting me.24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”

The context of Genesis 4:16-24 is Cain's family that had 8 sons that were patriarchs in Cain's geneology, with the mention of one females being the sister of Tubal-Cain how was Naamah, she was not even mentioned as being a daughter born to Lamech, no one other than human beings in that geneology.

Genesis 4:25-5:32 is the geneology of Adam, with a son being born to him as the new patriarch to Adam and Seth had a son as well. Genesis 4:25-26 “And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, “For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed.”26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.”

Notice that after Enosh's brith, "men began to call on the name of the Lord" what is interesting is that in 5:24 we see that one of Adam's patriarchs walked with God andwas taken, he could of walked with God as Adam and Eve did in the garden, here the verse. “And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.” Now we can look back to Cain's geneology and one of his patriarchs, Lamech followed in the foot-steps of Cain. Genesis 4:23-24 “Then Lamech said to his wives: “Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; wives of Lamech, listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, even a young man for hurting me.24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”

When you read Genesis 4:16 and 4:26 we see that the two geneologies are going in two different directions, Genesis 4:16 “Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden.” Genesis 4:26 “And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.” With these verses we see that the two geneologies were headed in different directions, with Adam's geneology birthing many children and the mention of many daugthers.

Genesis 5:4 “After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.” 5:7 “After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:10 “After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:13 “After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:16 “After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:19 “After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:22 “After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:26 “After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters.” 5:30 “After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters.”

Go back up to Cain's geneology and there is no mention of any daughter being born to his geneology, but reading through the context of Genesis 5 we read of 9 different patriarchs having daughters born to them. Genesis 6:1 “Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,”

Now what came to pass? "When men began to multiply on the face of the earth" Who's geneology had 8 sons born to him with no mention of sons and daughters being born to them? Cain's. Now who's geneology has no mention of a daugter being born to his patriachs? Cain's, so in that context of Genesis 4:16-5:32 who would be the ones that are multiplaying on the face of the earth “and daughters were born to them,”? There is only one genealogy that has no mention of daughters being born to them, with only 8 sons being born to him and that is Cain. ​Now that Cain's genealogy is multiplying on the face of the earth and daughters being born to him now, who does that leave on earth that could take Cain's daughters as wives? Adam's genealogy who are called the sons of God only because they had been the ones that started to call on the name of the Lord. Those titles were only to identify the two different genealogies because of how they had been living before wickedness fill their hearts. It is the only logical conclusion that one group was Cain's genealogy and the other was Adam's genealogy, there are no other groups of mankind on the face of the earth.

The nephilim are mentioned in 6:4, the root word for nephilim of "to fall" and when we read 6:5 “Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” We can conclude that many men have fallen, from both genealogies, yes Lamech killed a man and Cain and his offspring dwelt outside the presents of the Lord, but Genesis 4:26 does not limit the men that called on the name of the Lord as Adam's genealogy only. But by this point “the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

Also notice here the change of wording from "men" that were multiplying on the face of the earth, "the wickedness of man was great in earth, and that every intent of the thought of his heart was only evil continually." Men was a group that was multiplying and man is all of mankind or humans, it fits the context of the Scripture.

Thanks for sharing. Makes perfect as in complete sense

 

[MarcR]

In the Authorized Genesis 2:4 introduces a change in topic.
The new topic is generations resulting from God’s creative acts.
Thus, we find that chapter two deals with things, such as, how plants grew once they had been created, how the woman was generated, that plants were planted, that growth is of God, how God watered the earth etc.

The topic of generations continues throughout the book of Genesis and the whole of scripture because the Bible is God’s legal written testament. As such it provides accurate genealogies leading to Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
This means that tampering with the text is illegal.

So chapter two isn’t confined by chronology at all. You can understand the order of events to some extent but chronology is not the concern. Which is why some get confused about the narrative in that they refuse to accept the topical change that occurred in Genesis 2:4.

You might like to think so; but, Hebrew doesn't work that way no matter how much you might want it to.

I have said on another thread that Chapter 1 is about process of creation while chapter 2 focuses on man and is more about relationships. I agree Chapter 2 is not concerned with chronology. However, the connection of chapter 2 with chapter 1 is inescapable.

 

[garee]

In addition the Hebrew grammar does not allow chapter 2 to be read as a separate event from verse 1!


Gen 2:4
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
KJV

It is speaking of the two different separate beginning (genesis’s) The corrupted one we live in as that seen the temporal and the new heavens and earth the incorruptible as that which will come into view on the last day as that not seen..

I would suggest if we are to hear God aright we must apply the faith principle below...so that we can mix faith in what we do hear coming from Him.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at "the things" which are seen, but at "the things" which are not seen: for "the things" which are seen are temporal; but "the things" which are not seen are eternal.

 

[MarcR]

It is speaking of the two different separate beginning (genesis’s) The corrupted one we live in as that seen the temporal and the new heavens and earth the incorruptible as that which will come into view on the last day as that not seen..

I would suggest if we are to hear God aright we must apply the faith principle below...so that we can mix faith in what we do hear coming from Him.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at "the things" which are seen, but at "the things" which are not seen: for "the things" which are seen are temporal; but "the things" which are not seen are eternal.

You CAN NOT change the Grammar and syntax rules of any language [Hebrew included] by wanting to interpret words in that language outside of its grammar and syntax rules. The rules are in place to PREVENT this sort of MISUNDERSTANDING!

 

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1 Cor 15:45, "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;......."

 

[joefizz]

Hellooooooooo mr. Op,are you there?????
looks like he had "no evidence" just "opinions" imagine that...

 

[MarcR]

You CAN NOT change the Grammar and syntax rules of any language [Hebrew included] by wanting to interpret words in that language outside of its grammar and syntax rules. The rules are in place to PREVENT this sort of MISUNDERSTANDING!

I posted this playfully on another thread: but it works here to show what happens when syntax rules are ignored:

Proof COWS HAVE 11 legs.

Impirically observed: No cow has 7 legs.

Impirically observed: A cow has 4 more legs than no cow.

Proof: Cows have 11 legs 7+4=11!

Words are my favorite toys!