Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

[WiselyWoven]

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Would you be so kind as to inform, discuss or comment on relationships that the RCC has with almost every organization and power on the earth?...

But it is only the RCC that claims divinity, can forgive sin, is infallible, etc. Do you really believe God is taking this lightly?

We need to stop walking and talking in the ways of the world and rather begin to walk uprightly before The King.

The root of this problem is based in denominationalism, of which Paul clearly spoke against, because denominations divide Christ (which is what you're asking me to do here i.e. to choose between the perceived lesser of two evils). Two wrongs (e.g. SDA & RCC) don't make a right.

Satan is a LIAR, a deceiver, the Destroyer of Souls, and has blinded (deluded) the majority of nominal professed Christians, to the simple logic of the Word of God. Thinking that they are believing Christ, but in reality are believing Satan, Gen.3
to DISOBEDIENCE ... Just where he wants YOU...

Yep, no question about that. And simple logic would also dictate that Satan would have his many minions busily "blinding (deluding) the majority of professed Christians." One of those minions is Ellen G. White.
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[JustThinking]

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We need to stop walking and talking in the ways of the world and rather begin to walk uprightly before The King.

The root of this problem is based in denominationalism, of which Paul clearly spoke against, because denominations divide Christ (which is what you're asking me to do here i.e. to choose between the perceived lesser of two evils). Two wrongs (e.g. SDA & RCC) don't make a right.


Yep, no question about that. And simple logic would also dictate that Satan would have his many minions busily "blinding (deluding) the majority of professed Christians." One of those minions is Ellen G. White.
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I am not asking you to choose between two evils at all. I am simply drawing attention to the most evil, corrupt christian organization the world has ever seen AND yet your focus is on EGW as though she was the antichrist.

As I mentioned earlier, God has given us so much information on the identification of the "little horn." The term "antichrist" is only mentioned 4 times in Scripture and each time warns about the "spirit of the antichrist." This of course, could mean anyone from any period in time after the cross who preaches a different gospel than Jesus.

However, there is indeed a literal evil one that is identified in Daniel, in 2 Thessalonians 2, in Revelation who has spoken against Jesus, against His church, His laws and commandments and has brought in to His church so many pagan practices and dogmas .... They have been preaching a very different gospel for over 1500 years - but I see more anger and persecution against an individual that has written much - some of her interpretations are certainly "different" and I would not agree with, but I don't believe I have ever heard herself or others state she was divine, she could forgive sin, she is infallible, she should be worshipped, she preached a very different path to salvation, prayed to saints, Mary, etc.

So, I am not asking anyone to compare the two denominatons - simply realize the one power that God Himself has identified and spent so much prophetic ink on so we may see their false teachings and not follow them into damnation.

Having very different or even very strange interpretations is not knew to the world. Most interpretations are simply incorrect - they have misunderstood their intended meaning and these misinterpretations do not prevent one from salvation - they are just an incorrect understanding of God's Words. But that is far from the case regarding the RCC. They literally have taken the position they represent God on earth, the pope has divinity equat to God... on and on. There is absolutely no comparison - how could anyone claim divinity and be equal to God and yet still have over 1.3 billion followers?

God has made him known to us... because he is the one that demands worship and praise and power and takes our worship away from Jesus. They mention Jesus but in name only - they do not have the spirit of Jesus within them.

 

[WiselyWoven]

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I am not asking you to choose between two evils at all. I am simply drawing attention to the most evil, corrupt christian organization the world has ever seen AND yet your focus is on EGW as though she was the antichrist.

I am not picking on EGW; it happens to be the OP.

some of her interpretations are certainly "different" and I would not agree with,

As a believer, we would agree that the Holy Bible is our final authority in all matters of faith and practice. Yet folks still insist on bringing their own opinions into it - opinions influenced by or originating with other folks e.g. EGW.

EGW's "interpretations" have been proven contrary to the Holy Bible. What else do you need to drop it and get right before God about it?

So, I am not asking anyone to compare the two denominatons - simply realize the one power that God Himself has identified and spent so much prophetic ink on so we may see their false teachings and not follow them into damnation.

According to you, "the one power that God Himself has identified" is EGW's "ink."

You're a talented communicator. Last I heard, our God is a jealous God and he won't share his glory with another. Why not 100% gush for him?

Having very different or even very strange interpretations is not knew to the world. Most interpretations are simply incorrect - they have misunderstood their intended meaning and these misinterpretations do not prevent one from salvation - they are just an incorrect understanding of God's Words. But that is far from the case regarding the RCC. They literally have taken the position they represent God on earth, the pope has divinity equat to God... on and on. There is absolutely no comparison - how could anyone claim divinity and be equal to God and yet still have over 1.3 billion followers?

And predictably, you would bring this all right back to your false dichotomy (ala RCC vs. EGW/SDA). You are clearly in bondage in this area. If I were you, I would accept my own advice and lay this entire EGW/SDA/RCC monstrosity down at the foot of the cross - confess it, turn from it (repent), and ask for forgiveness. If your heart is right, you will be forgiven. Then ask The King for fresh truth. You have everything to gain.

The $64,000 question is, are you a genuine truth seeker?

God has made him known to us... because he is the one that demands worship and praise and power and takes our worship away from Jesus. They mention Jesus but in name only - they do not have the spirit of Jesus within them.

Indeed. Now apply that metric to your handling of EGW's documented falsehoods and do the Right Thing.
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[JustThinking]

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I am not picking on EGW; it happens to be the OP.


As a believer, we would agree that the Holy Bible is our final authority in all matters of faith and practice. Yet folks still insist on bringing their own opinions into it - opinions influenced by or originating with other folks e.g. EGW.

EGW's "interpretations" have been proven contrary to the Holy Bible. What else do you need to drop it and get right before God about it?


According to you, "the one power that God Himself has identified" is EGW's "ink."

You're a talented communicator. Last I heard, our God is a jealous God and he won't share his glory with another. Why not 100% gush for him?


And predictably, you would bring this all right back to your false dichotomy (ala RCC vs. EGW/SDA). You are clearly in bondage in this area. If I were you, I would accept my own advice and lay this entire EGW/SDA/RCC monstrosity down at the foot of the cross - confess it, turn from it (repent), and ask for forgiveness. If your heart is right, you will be forgiven. Then ask The King for fresh truth. You have everything to gain.

The $64,000 question is, are you a genuine truth seeker?


Indeed. Now apply that metric to your handling of EGW's documented falsehoods and do the Right Thing.
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Okay and thanks for your comments. I certainly agree with much of your understanding and you certainly have a love for God... that is clearly seen. However, we also have a different understanding of the evil one that God has specifically called out in Daniel. I do not know if you enjoy Daniel but if you ever want to discuss your interpretations on Daniel, that might be interesting. Best wishes always.

 

[Rob7]

Satan is a LIAR, a deceiver, the Destroyer of Souls, and has blinded (deluded) the majority of nominal professed Christians, to the simple logic of the Word of God. Thinking that they are believing Christ, but in reality are believing Satan, Gen.3
to DISOBEDIENCE ... Just where he wants YOU...

Yep, no question about that. And simple logic would also dictate that Satan would have his many minions busily "blinding (deluding) the majority of professed Christians." One of those minions is Ellen G. White.
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So! You are agreeing that Satan has you deluded... along with the majority of apostate deluded Christianity "No question about that " as you say ...

Your claiming that Ellen White, is a minion of Satan because she supports and says the same thing as all the rest of God's Prophets, that YOU NEED to repent of your sin and be obedient to God and His Law, .... is just what Satan would have you say HERE in these forums,

You are just like the antediluvians, mocking and jeering NOAH, outside the Ark... Repent from your agreeing with Satan and his Disobedient, rebellious nature... You REALLY need to make Straight the Way of the Lord... or you could very well be judged "wanting"

Jesus could very well says to you .. ""I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness" Matthew 7:23.

Get off your self-righteous high horse and quit attacking the God's messengers and deal with your unrighteous lawlessness, your disobedient nature. It only leads to perdition.

Godlessness in the Last Days​

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof ( The Holy Spirit ) : from such turn away.

Please respond to the matter at hand, that REALLY matters .. respond to the message .... not your juvenile "name calling"

How can you defend and promoting Disobedience to God, Lawlessness ....and yet call yourself Christian, with a Hope of Glory ?

 

[WiselyWoven]

Okay and thanks for your comments. I certainly agree with much of your understanding and you certainly have a love for God... that is clearly seen. However, we also have a different understanding of the evil one that God has specifically called out in Daniel. I do not know if you enjoy Daniel but if you ever want to discuss your interpretations on Daniel, that might be interesting. Best wishes always.

Your sense of grace is awesome! I surely wish that there were more of your manners in these so-called Christian forums.

Meanwhile, to one who is manifesting dis-gracefully...

Please respond to the matter at hand, that REALLY matters .. respond to the message .... not your juvenile "name calling"

...my "response":

 

[Rob7]

...my "response":

... as I expected .. a non-answer .. ignore the message attack the messenger.
well ... You've put an end to the conversation as you wished ...
"It hard to kick against the prick"
& Jesus said ....

• Matthew 10:14: " And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."
  Bye
  

 

[Gideon300]

... as I expected .. a non-answer .. ignore the message attack the messenger.
well ... You've put an end to the conversation as you wished ...
"It hard to kick against the prick"
& Jesus said ....

• Matthew 10:14: " And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."
  Bye
  

Since so few receive your false SDA doctrine here, why don't you do as Lord Jesus commanded and leave the forum?

 

[Rob7]

why don't you do as Lord Jesus commanded and leave the forum?

LOL ! I bet you would like that ... You are finding it hard, "kicking against the pricks" of God's Holy Spirit, as well .... Coming from you is confirmation... that I'm doing what God would have me do, ... being in these forums ...

I WAS wondering, but ... Your rejection of all God's Prophets, from Noah, John The Baptist, Jesus' disciples down thru EGW and present SDA's of these Final Days, His Remnant Church ( Revelation 12:17 and Romans 11:5 ) ... OF our presenting God's Present Truth, ( Rev 14: 6-12 ) and your being DIS-obedient to God's Will, His Law, His Character demonstrated by Christ and your rejection of Christ by NOT REPENTING of your DISOBEDIENCE, to "make straight the Way of the Lord" as JTB said, .. has caused me to dust you off the souls of my shoes as well .. as I'm instructed.

We are in God's Judgmental period now, being ministered to by our High Priest, in the Holy of Holies of the Heavenly Sanctuary, since 1844... "By their fruits, you shall know them." ... individually being dealt with according to God's Standard, His Moral Law, "accordingly" = God's Judgement !! ... upon ALL of us. Our probation is fixing to close, SOON !
Maranatha, Dear Jesus ! Amen

... I would not have continued to respond to you... now ... but you @WiselyWoven @pinebeach @Inquisitor and SO Many others are such great examples of False Prophets, Rev 16:13 of the sort that Elijah, and all the Biblical prophets battled against, that I'm obligated to battle also, witnessing to expose you as having Anti-Love ( anti-Christ ) spirits, to WARN unaware souls of your corrupted biblical theologies which misleads and deceives those seeking Truth, = Jesus, and His Way, His Life, that only leads to become Children of God, His Remnant Church to inherit our Lord's Kingdom, with Him. Amen !

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[lrs68]

A true Prophet of the Most High God would not ever prophecy the Coming of Yeshua 3 different times and 150 years later still hasn't happened. And that goes for anyone making the claim as Prophet no matter their Denomination.

 

[Inquisitor]

I would not have continued to respond to you... now ... but you @WiselyWoven @pinebeach @Inquisitor and SO Many others are such great examples of False Prophets

You called me a false prophet and a great example of a false prophet.

I do not have the gift of prophecy and I have never given a prophecy to anyone, or to a church.

All I do is read the scripture.

 

[Inquisitor]

His Remnant Church to inherit our Lord's Kingdom, with Him. Amen !

You call your church the "Remnant Church".

You have two other churches that call themselves the only true church.

• Catholic Perspective: According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the fullness of Christ's church "subsists" in the Catholic Church. While acknowledging that other Christian communities possess elements of truth and sanctification (such as scripture and baptism), Catholicism maintains that it alone preserves the complete teachings, sacraments, and hierarchical structure established by Christ. [, 2, 3, 4]
• Orthodox Perspective: The Eastern Orthodox Church also claims to be the one, true Church. Orthodox theologians argue that they have preserved the original faith and apostolic succession without alteration since the time of the Apostles, viewing the Catholic Church as having strayed from this path through certain dogmatic developments (such as the authority of the Pope). [1, 2, 3]

 

[Inquisitor]

Interesting ....
Since you keep claiming that EGW is a "False" prophet, ... Let's see what the Bible says about TRUE PROPHETS;

Biblical foundational tests for a true prophet:

1. Consistency with Scripture​

Isaiah 8:20

• Significance: This is the primary test. Any message that contradicts the established Word of God is rejected, regardless of the miracles performed.

2. Fulfillment of Predictions​

Deuteronomy 18:21–22

• Significance: A true prophet's specific predictions must come to pass. Failure to fulfill a prophecy identifies the speaker as false.

3. Promotion of True Worship (No Idolatry)​

Deuteronomy 13:1–3

• Significance: Even if a prophet performs genuine miracles, if they lead people away from the worship of the one true God or His commandments, they are false.

4. Christ-Centered Message​

Revelation 19:10

• Significance: The essence of prophecy is to bear witness to Jesus. A true prophet directs worship to God and exalts Christ, not themselves.

John 5:39

• Significance: True prophecy aligns with the central theme of Scripture, which is the testimony of Jesus.

5. Spiritual Fruit​

Matthew 7:15–16

• Significance: The character and the results of the prophet's ministry (the "fruits") reveal their true nature.

6. Subordination to the Bible (The Standard)​

2 Peter 1:19

• Significance: While acknowledging the prophetic gift, this verse emphasizes that the written Word of God is the "more sure" standard and the ultimate light by which all else is measured.

2 Timothy 3:16–17

• Significance: Scripture is sufficient for doctrine and faith, meaning a true prophet supports and clarifies Scripture rather than replacing it.

7. Obedience to God's Commandments​

1 John 2:3–4


"Golly G" .... As Gommer Pile, useta say ...
Looks like you and your supportive friends here in these CC forums are the "False Prophets" in relation to E G White, who is giving the same Message of Repentance & Obedience to the Creator God, that Noah, Elijah, John the Baptist, Et Al preached all thru these past 6000 years.
SO !! Who am I gonna believe and take advice from ? ... You folks, promoting and vomiting Anti-Christ ( Satan's) doctrines of sin and rebellion to God, OR God's Holy Spirit led prophets, promoting Repentance, Reformation & Restoration to the Righteousness of Christ.
"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" ... Joshua 24:15.

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I don't think Ellen White referred to herself as a prophet but a messenger.

 

[Rob7]

The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan ultimately comes down to a battle of worship, truth, and obedience. In this framework, anyone who takes upon themselves the role of preaching and teaching Scripture is operating under either the Spirit of Truth or the spirit of error. The message they declare—whether it aligns with God’s holy law and the true biblical Jesus, or with human tradition and disobedience—identifies them with either the true prophetic movement of God, His remnant Church having the "Spirit of Prophecy" or the deceptive "False Prophet."

Here is how this is explained through the KJV Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy:

1. Testing the True vs. False Prophet by Doctrine and the "True Jesus"
Ellen White and the pioneers taught that you cannot determine a true teacher or prophet by miracles, charisma, or sincerity alone. The ultimate test is their adherence to the Law of God and the testimony of Scripture. If a preacher teaches that God’s law (including the Sabbath) is abolished, they are preaching a "false Jesus" and operating under a false spirit, the spirit of Antichrist, the spirit of " The Dragon, The Beast and the False Prophet."

• Isaiah 8:20 (KJV): "To the law and to the testimony: if they the speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
• 1 John 4:1 (KJV): "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
• 2 Corinthians 11:4 (KJV): "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, ye might well bear with him."
• Matthew 7:15, 20 (KJV): "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves... Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

2. The Remnant Church and the Spirit of Prophecy
The remnant church at the end of time is a prophetic movement. Because they have fully surrendered to Christ, He dwells in them through the Holy Spirit. This indwelling of Christ empowers them to live obediently, keeping the commandments. By having the "testimony of Jesus," which the Bible defines as the "Spirit of Prophecy," the remnant acts as God’s true prophetic voice to a dying world, calling people back to authentic worship.

• Galatians 2:20 (KJV): "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
• Romans 11:5 (KJV): "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."
• Revelation 12:17 (KJV): "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
• Revelation 19:10 (KJV): "...worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

3. Apostate Protestantism as the "False Prophet"
The "False Prophet" of Revelation 16:13 is Apostate Protestantism. When the Protestant churches rejected the advancing light of truth (such as the Sabbath and the state of the dead) and chose to cling to papal traditions, they lost the true Holy Spirit. Consequently, they are filled with another spirit. Though they preach "Jesus," it is a disobedient Jesus who allegedly breaks God's law. Because they lack the true "Spirit of Prophecy," they are left to be guided by the "unclean spirits like frogs."

• Revelation 16:13-14 (KJV): "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."
• Matthew 15:9 (KJV): "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
• 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (KJV): "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

In The Great Controversy ... Ellen White explicitly warned that in the last days, the final conflict will be between the true Spirit of God (manifested in a commandment-keeping remnant who have Christ dwelling within them) and a counterfeit spirit (manifested in apostate Christianity). The "False Prophet" will use signs, emotional preaching, and false doctrines to deceive the world into breaking God's law, while the true remnant will lift up the genuine Jesus, who saves His people from their sins, not in their sins.

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[Rob7]

False Prophets teach and preach a "false Jesus".

Preaching a "disobedient Jesus" means presenting a counterfeit version of Christ who allegedly abolished His Father's moral law (the Ten Commandments) or authorized the breaking of it—specifically the fourth commandment, the seventh-day Sabbath.

When Apostate Protestantism teaches that the law of God was "nailed to the cross" or that grace removes the Christian's obligation to keep the commandments, they are fundamentally altering the character of Christ. They present a Jesus who excuses sin (which is the transgression of the law) rather than a Jesus who empowers His followers to overcome it.

Here is how they preach a "disobedient Jesus" and the KJV Bible verses that expose this error:

1. Teaching that Jesus Destroyed or Changed the Law
Apostate Protestantism often preaches that Jesus came to do away with the rigid law of the Old Testament, suggesting that He broke the Sabbath to show it was no longer binding, or that He instituted a "new law" that replaced the Ten Commandments. By teaching this, they preach a Jesus who is at war with the Father's eternal law. The true Jesus explicitly denied this.

• Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV): "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
• Romans 3:31 (KJV): "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

2. Teaching that Jesus Saves People "IN" Their Sins
By rejecting the Sabbath and telling their congregations that obedience to God's literal law is "legalism," false teachers promote a "disobedient Jesus" who supposedly saves people in their continuous transgression of the law, rather than from it. The Bible defines sin strictly as breaking the law. A Jesus who allows you to continue willingly breaking the law (like keeping Sunday, a papal tradition, instead of God's holy Sabbath) is a counterfeit Jesus.

• 1 John 3:4 (KJV): "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
• Matthew 1:21 (KJV): "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." (Note: From their sins, not in their sins).
• Jude 1:4 (KJV): "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." (Lasciviousness here refers to a license to sin/disobey under the guise of grace).

3. Ignoring the True Jesus' Own Obedience
The true Jesus of the Bible was perfectly obedient to the Father's commandments, including the Sabbath.
( Luke 4:16 JKV ). Preachers of a "disobedient Jesus" strip away Christ's role as our perfect example of obedience. If Jesus kept the commandments, and He lives in us through the Holy Spirit ( Galatians 2:20 KJV ), then His Spirit IN US will also keep the commandments. To claim to know Jesus while refusing to obey His law is identified by Scripture as a falsehood.

• John 15:10 (KJV): "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
• 1 John 2:4 (KJV): "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
• Galatians 2:17 (KJV): "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid."

Ellen White frequently warned about this specific deception in the last days. In The Great Controversy, she wrote about the error of "Antinomianism" (anti-law theology) that permeates apostate churches:

"Many religious teachers assert that Christ by His death abolished the law, and men are henceforth free from its requirements... But if it had been possible for the law to be changed or abrogated, then Christ need not have died to save man from the penalty of sin. The death of Christ, so far from abolishing the law, proves that it is immutable." (The Great Controversy, p. 466).

By holding onto Sunday worship (a commandment of men) and rejecting the seventh-day Sabbath (a commandment of God), Apostate Protestantism preaches a "disobedient Jesus." They fulfill Christ's warning in Matthew 15:9 (KJV): "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Because they reject the true Spirit that leads to obedience, they are left to the deceptive, unclean spirits, .....of ~~>( Revelation 16:13 KJV ) that gather the world to rebel against God's Character, His Government, & His Kingdom.

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[Inquisitor]

Romans 11:5 (KJV): "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."

You refer to a "Remnant Church" in your posts.

Then you quote Romans 11:5 (KJV) out of the context to support that claim of your church being the Remnant Church.

This way of reading the scripture is called "Eisegesis", reading one's own church teaching into the text, rather than adhering
to what Paul is actually talking about. In Romans 9 to Romans 11.

I added a few of the verses surrounding your quotation that you lifted out of the context in Romans 11.

Romans 11:1-7
I say then, God has not rejected His people (Israel), has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant
of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people (Israel) whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what
the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed Your prophets,
they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.” But what is the divine response to him? “
I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” In the same way then, there has also come
to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened.

The context is obvious and Paul is talking about the nation of Israel.

The remnant are those Israelites that believe in Jesus.

 

[Rob7]

The context is obvious and Paul is talking about the nation of Israel.

The "nation of Israel" over in the Middle East, now, is not God's Chosen people, of the OT .. they ceased to exist as a "nation" when Jesus said "your house is left to you desolate", and with the killing of Steven, the message, promises and title of God's People went to anyone who would accept Jesus as their Lord & King. Having Christ's Holy Spirit, His Righteousness, dwelling IN THEM, being grafted into the vine, of our Lord.

We, the Remnant Church become spiritual Israel by our Lord, dwelling IN US ( Gal 2:20 KJV ) & ( Rev 14:12 KJV ) ... For Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of the 70 Weeks to be Israel of Daniel 9:24-27 KJV. "Confirming the Covenant"

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[Gideon300]

LOL ! I bet you would like that ... You are finding it hard, "kicking against the pricks" of God's Holy Spirit, as well .... Coming from you is confirmation... that I'm doing what God would have me do, ... being in these forums ...

I WAS wondering, but ... Your rejection of all God's Prophets, from Noah, John The Baptist, Jesus' disciples down thru EGW and present SDA's of these Final Days, His Remnant Church ( Revelation 12:17 and Romans 11:5 ) ... OF our presenting God's Present Truth, ( Rev 14: 6-12 ) and your being DIS-obedient to God's Will, His Law, His Character demonstrated by Christ and your rejection of Christ by NOT REPENTING of your DISOBEDIENCE, to "make straight the Way of the Lord" as JTB said, .. has caused me to dust you off the souls of my shoes as well .. as I'm instructed.

We are in God's Judgmental period now, being ministered to by our High Priest, in the Holy of Holies of the Heavenly Sanctuary, since 1844... "By their fruits, you shall know them." ... individually being dealt with according to God's Standard, His Moral Law, "accordingly" = God's Judgement !! ... upon ALL of us. Our probation is fixing to close, SOON !
Maranatha, Dear Jesus ! Amen

... I would not have continued to respond to you... now ... but you @WiselyWoven @pinebeach @Inquisitor and SO Many others are such great examples of False Prophets, Rev 16:13 of the sort that Elijah, and all the Biblical prophets battled against, that I'm obligated to battle also, witnessing to expose you as having Anti-Love ( anti-Christ ) spirits, to WARN unaware souls of your corrupted biblical theologies which misleads and deceives those seeking Truth, = Jesus, and His Way, His Life, that only leads to become Children of God, His Remnant Church to inherit our Lord's Kingdom, with Him. Amen !

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So you reject men of God such as Luther, Bunyan, John and Charles Wesley, Spurgeon, Whitfield, Taylor, Edwards, Wycliffe and Tyndale.

I do not reject Christ. I reject your false doctrines that the Bible calls doctrines of demons. I reject your false prophet, Ellen G White. I reject the doctrine of probation, which is an insult to the sacrifice of Christ on the cross and to the cleansing power of the precious blood that He shed for us.

You condemn yourself with your words. You call that which is of God evil and the lies of the devil good. You think that wrapping your errors in Bible verses makes you right. Guess again.

 

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This guy and how to test a true Prophet of God to protect the fact that one of the notable authors to this disclaimer had a multitude of prophecies never come true.

In the Bible a real Prophet of God was 100% on the prophecies he spoke. All the Prophets from Moses to Malachi are 5,000 prophecies and all 5,000 prophecies have come true.

I didn't include Yeshua because He is God and cannot fail.

So all of the Prophets of God in the Bible have a batting average of 10000000000000000% never failing but this guy wants us to believe that a person that has failed miserably time and time again is a Prophet.

Sit the pipe down and back away slowly. We don't want anything you're trying to sell.

 

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The "nation of Israel" over in the Middle East, now, is not God's Chosen people, of the OT .. they ceased to exist as a "nation" when Jesus said "your house is left to you desolate", and with the killing of Steven, the message, promises and title of God's People went to anyone who would accept Jesus as their Lord & King. Having Christ's Holy Spirit, His Righteousness, dwelling IN THEM, being grafted into the vine, of our Lord.

We, the Remnant Church become spiritual Israel by our Lord, dwelling IN US ( Gal 2:20 KJV ) & ( Rev 14:12 KJV ) ... For Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of the 70 Weeks to be Israel of Daniel 9:24-27 KJV. "Confirming the Covenant"

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If Israel has been rejected and modern Israel is not God's chosen nation, then how do you explain the
following verse?

Romans 11:1
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be!

Take your time to answer given you see to think that you are spiritual Israel.