All 7 trumpets have been blown, big discovery! Thoughts?
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If that were true, we would have seen all of the previous trumpets and seals. The first two woes would have had to have taken place prior to the 3rd woe, which is Satan and his angels being thrown out of heaven. The event of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe takes place in the middle of the seven seven years.
In order for the 7th trumpet/3rd woe to have taken place, we would have had to experienced the 1st trumpet, which is a third of the earth being burned up?
Following that, we would have experienced the 2nd trumpet, which is that object hitting in one of the oceans and killing a third of the creatures in the sea and destroying a third of the ships.
Following that, the world would have seen an object that John describes as a giant torch falling upon the a third of the rivers and springs of water and many people dying from drinking it.
After that, the world would have experienced the 4th trumpet, which is the darkening of the sun, moon and stars by a third, so that the earth would only be getting two third of its normal light, bot day and night.
All of those and the seals would have had to have taken place prior to trumpets 5,6 & 7. That being the case, the war in heaven could not have yet taken place until all of the above has taken place.
I've studied the heck out of the seals, trumpets, bowl judgments and end-time events inside and out. So, I'm just giving you the benefit of what I know by pointing out the details of these events. In order for the 7th trumpet/3rd woe to have taken place, the world would have had to have seen trumpet woes 5 & 6 and we just have no record of any of those events having yet taken place.
Regarding Satan being cast to the earth, what is currently happening is nothing in comparison to what will happen when he and his angels are finally cast to the earth. Anything that is going on currently greatly pales in comparison to what is coming.
In order for the 7th trumpet/3rd woe to have taken place, we would have had to experienced the 1st trumpet, which is a third of the earth being burned up?
Following that, we would have experienced the 2nd trumpet, which is that object hitting in one of the oceans and killing a third of the creatures in the sea and destroying a third of the ships.
Following that, the world would have seen an object that John describes as a giant torch falling upon the a third of the rivers and springs of water and many people dying from drinking it.
After that, the world would have experienced the 4th trumpet, which is the darkening of the sun, moon and stars by a third, so that the earth would only be getting two third of its normal light, bot day and night.
All of those and the seals would have had to have taken place prior to trumpets 5,6 & 7. That being the case, the war in heaven could not have yet taken place until all of the above has taken place.
I've studied the heck out of the seals, trumpets, bowl judgments and end-time events inside and out. So, I'm just giving you the benefit of what I know by pointing out the details of these events. In order for the 7th trumpet/3rd woe to have taken place, the world would have had to have seen trumpet woes 5 & 6 and we just have no record of any of those events having yet taken place.
Regarding Satan being cast to the earth, what is currently happening is nothing in comparison to what will happen when he and his angels are finally cast to the earth. Anything that is going on currently greatly pales in comparison to what is coming.
Regarding what you said above, please consider the following:
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"The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts."
"The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him."
"The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done."
"Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible."
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During the time of the great tribulation, the hearts of people during that time will be so hardened, that even though God is pouring out these terrible plagues of wrath and they know that God is responsible for them, they will curse God and still refuse to repent. That's how bad it will be!
Do you still find that hard to believe?
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"The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts."
"The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him."
"The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done."
"Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible."
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During the time of the great tribulation, the hearts of people during that time will be so hardened, that even though God is pouring out these terrible plagues of wrath and they know that God is responsible for them, they will curse God and still refuse to repent. That's how bad it will be!
Do you still find that hard to believe?
And what does that mean??
The entire subject matter in Bible is about a new creation who have been set aside (hagios) as the elect body (Ekklesia ) the spiritual house of God, the church.. Because you do not find a certain words set up by certain denominations it does not mean the matter is not about the New Jerusalem, as the bride of Christ, the church .
The book of Ruth does not have the name God but it does not mean he is not part of. I see no need for dispensations. God works through His faith in every generation.
God puts no difference between a Jew and a gentile purifying the hearts of all men by a work of His faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure.
Two groups to represent one body, the chaste virgin bride of Christ.
It’s all one bride ( Revelation 21) We are commanded to not know any man after the flesh. No division of the flesh in the spiritual body, Christs wife.
I would ask, how would a fortress as a city of refuge protect us from the enemy is it had no gates and no walls ?
All that are sealed represent the chaste virgin bride of Christ, using tribes to represent the old testament saints (hagios) and apostles (hagios as sent ones) to represent the remnant chosen from the foundation of the earth .
The hundred and forty and four thousand represent His chaste virgin bride the church, they are clothed in white (the righteousness of Christ.)
I would say subjective to the meaning of the parable.
I don't think Christ our husband is represented as bigamist ,two wife's. He divorced unfaithful Israel that went out chasing after and fornicating with other gods .She cannot be the chaste virgin bride presented as the body of Christ the church
Not all Israel is Israel, Just as all Christian the new name he named his bride the church, are not Christians. A man must be born again.
Both together as living stones make up the spiritual House of God the church. Both the gates ...to represent tribes as born again Jews and the twelve foundations, as stone walls as names of the twelve apostle as born again. Together as one describe the wife of Christ, His chaste virgin bride.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:3
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Rev 21:9
1Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
The entire subject matter in Bible is about a new creation who have been set aside (hagios) as the elect body (Ekklesia ) the spiritual house of God, the church.. Because you do not find a certain words set up by certain denominations it does not mean the matter is not about the New Jerusalem, as the bride of Christ, the church .
The book of Ruth does not have the name God but it does not mean he is not part of. I see no need for dispensations. God works through His faith in every generation.
God puts no difference between a Jew and a gentile purifying the hearts of all men by a work of His faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure.
Two groups to represent one body, the chaste virgin bride of Christ.
It’s all one bride ( Revelation 21) We are commanded to not know any man after the flesh. No division of the flesh in the spiritual body, Christs wife.
I would ask, how would a fortress as a city of refuge protect us from the enemy is it had no gates and no walls ?
All that are sealed represent the chaste virgin bride of Christ, using tribes to represent the old testament saints (hagios) and apostles (hagios as sent ones) to represent the remnant chosen from the foundation of the earth .
The hundred and forty and four thousand represent His chaste virgin bride the church, they are clothed in white (the righteousness of Christ.)
I would say subjective to the meaning of the parable.
I don't think Christ our husband is represented as bigamist ,two wife's. He divorced unfaithful Israel that went out chasing after and fornicating with other gods .She cannot be the chaste virgin bride presented as the body of Christ the church
Not all Israel is Israel, Just as all Christian the new name he named his bride the church, are not Christians. A man must be born again.
Both together as living stones make up the spiritual House of God the church. Both the gates ...to represent tribes as born again Jews and the twelve foundations, as stone walls as names of the twelve apostle as born again. Together as one describe the wife of Christ, His chaste virgin bride.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:3
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Rev 21:9
1Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Good day SpiritLed,
The first seal, the rider on the white horse, is representing the antichrist. He has not yet been revealed. For if he had been, he would have established his seven year covenant with Israel.
The 2nd seal, the rider on the red horse, is given power to take peace from the earth so that men kill each other. He's given a large sword, which means that the peace that is removed will be world wide.
The 3rd seal, the rider on the black horse represents severe famine, the result being a little bit of food being very expensive.
The 4th seal, the pale green horse, which is death and Hades following close behind, these two are given power to kill a fourth of the earth's population, which will take place within that first 3 1/2 years of that last seven year period. Based on 7 billion people, a fourth would equal approx. 1.7 billion fatalities. Hasn't happened.
The wrath that is coming via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will be like nothing that history has ever seen. By the time of the 7th bowl judgment, the majority of the earth's population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled.
Since the 1st seal is the revealing of the that ruler, the antichrist and the world has not yet seen him, then that first seal has not yet been opened. And since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place in chronological order, then neither have any of the other seals, trumpets or bowl judgments taken place.
The first seal, the rider on the white horse, is representing the antichrist. He has not yet been revealed. For if he had been, he would have established his seven year covenant with Israel.
The 2nd seal, the rider on the red horse, is given power to take peace from the earth so that men kill each other. He's given a large sword, which means that the peace that is removed will be world wide.
The 3rd seal, the rider on the black horse represents severe famine, the result being a little bit of food being very expensive.
The 4th seal, the pale green horse, which is death and Hades following close behind, these two are given power to kill a fourth of the earth's population, which will take place within that first 3 1/2 years of that last seven year period. Based on 7 billion people, a fourth would equal approx. 1.7 billion fatalities. Hasn't happened.
The wrath that is coming via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will be like nothing that history has ever seen. By the time of the 7th bowl judgment, the majority of the earth's population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled.
Since the 1st seal is the revealing of the that ruler, the antichrist and the world has not yet seen him, then that first seal has not yet been opened. And since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place in chronological order, then neither have any of the other seals, trumpets or bowl judgments taken place.
Good day SpiritLed,
While it is true that "the spirit" of the antichrist has been in the world, that is in type, the actual person of the antichrist, the man of lawlessness, is yet to be revealed. The antichrist is represented by that rider on the white horse at the opening of the first seal, which as I have pointed out, has not yet been opened.
When he does make his appearance, he as being represented by one of the heads of the dragon, will receive that fatal wound and survive. And with him will be that false prophet who will perform those miracles, signs and wonders on his behalf, all for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the world in support of his claim of being God.
We have not yet seen the revealing of the antichrist, which means that the 1st seal has not yet been opened. His arrival will be apparent when he establishes that seven year agreement with Israel, which the living church won't be here to witness.
Furthermore, my theology of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as always, is based on scripture. The only reason that you say that it is based on speculation is that it doesn't fit with your interpretation.
While it is true that "the spirit" of the antichrist has been in the world, that is in type, the actual person of the antichrist, the man of lawlessness, is yet to be revealed. The antichrist is represented by that rider on the white horse at the opening of the first seal, which as I have pointed out, has not yet been opened.
When he does make his appearance, he as being represented by one of the heads of the dragon, will receive that fatal wound and survive. And with him will be that false prophet who will perform those miracles, signs and wonders on his behalf, all for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the world in support of his claim of being God.
We have not yet seen the revealing of the antichrist, which means that the 1st seal has not yet been opened. His arrival will be apparent when he establishes that seven year agreement with Israel, which the living church won't be here to witness.
Furthermore, my theology of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as always, is based on scripture. The only reason that you say that it is based on speculation is that it doesn't fit with your interpretation.
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Your theology is based upon speculation, not scripture.
You say the first seal is the revealing of the antichrist based upon scripture, that's obviously a lie. "and he went forth conquering AND TO conquer."
This is describing the white horse in Zechariah 6:1-8.
Don't let the pride of your studies blind you from the truth brother.
You say the first seal is the revealing of the antichrist based upon scripture, that's obviously a lie. "and he went forth conquering AND TO conquer."
This is describing the white horse in Zechariah 6:1-8.
Don't let the pride of your studies blind you from the truth brother.
Anyone Can you pleas tell me what these other Trumps are before the Last Trump in Corinthians. If this is the last Trump surly their must be some to proceed this one. And how many ?
The Trump spoken of in Corinthians is the last Trump the Trump of God being the 7th. The antichrist will come in at the 6th Trump. This is part of the number of his name.666
The Trump spoken of in Corinthians is the last Trump the Trump of God being the 7th. The antichrist will come in at the 6th Trump. This is part of the number of his name.666
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The beast (the number of man) is unconverted man influenced by the god of this world. They make up the antichrists that were here when 1 John was written as to the same kind we see today. Therefore we know we are in the last days represented by the metaphor thousand. (A unknown amount of time) . Christs’ Spirit , the Holy Spirit of God will come like a thief in the night. He will not come again in the flesh. One demonstration is all that is necessary.. And the buying and selling has to do with truth .Not a food embargo as part of a political format.
1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
The seventh trump will mark the last day before this present earth and heavens vanish. It is also judgement day for those who know not Christ.
Last day and seventh trump mark the end of the world. The day all will receive their new incorruptible bodies which will be nether male nor female, Jew of Gentile. But will be lie the angels no way to procreate.
The last day and the last trump are in prefect agreement/
1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
The beast (the number of man) is unconverted man influenced by the god of this world. They make up the antichrists that were here when 1 John was written as to the same kind we see today. Therefore we know we are in the last days represented by the metaphor thousand. (A unknown amount of time) . Christs’ Spirit , the Holy Spirit of God will come like a thief in the night. He will not come again in the flesh. One demonstration is all that is necessary.. And the buying and selling has to do with truth .Not a food embargo as part of a political format.
1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
The seventh trump will mark the last day before this present earth and heavens vanish. It is also judgement day for those who know not Christ.
Last day and seventh trump mark the end of the world. The day all will receive their new incorruptible bodies which will be nether male nor female, Jew of Gentile. But will be lie the angels no way to procreate.
The last day and the last trump are in prefect agreement/
1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
One very efficient way for Satan to get people to do what is in error is to give
a revised history of the world and the prophecies fulfillment.
The more who believe things were fulfilled long ago, the fewer those who understand...No matter,
all who came to Jesus Christ and all who will come to Him will not be lost because He has promised nothing
will separate us from His love.
When the proppecies of the last times are being completed all will understand.......all.
a revised history of the world and the prophecies fulfillment.
The more who believe things were fulfilled long ago, the fewer those who understand...No matter,
all who came to Jesus Christ and all who will come to Him will not be lost because He has promised nothing
will separate us from His love.
When the proppecies of the last times are being completed all will understand.......all.
I do believe that God has given us a preview of the time of the end in WW2. Hitler was a type of Antichrist, he went specifically after the Jewish people and I do not know if he went after the Christians all that much. The Antichrist will go after the Christians and probably the Jewish people also. The first seal is the Antichrist and then war, famine, disease, great shakings(bombs), and then a great persecution that well end with the return of Christ. It will be somewhat like what happened in WW2 except in this case the bad guy will win and establish his government.
Seeing with our eyes, everything is a lesson from our Father. WWII is just a glimpse of what is to come. The next time it will be global, and that may be right soon, only our Father knows. I will say this again, He will be certain all of His childre are aware of what is coming just before the fire next time
May God bless all in Jesus Christ and all wh will be coming to Him, amen.
May God bless all in Jesus Christ and all wh will be coming to Him, amen.
I don't know if this means anything, but if you start when Hitler made his first conquest, to the official end of the war, it was right at 7 years, almost to the day. Started in March of 1938 and ended in March of 1945. That sure looks like it should be telling us something. Hitler was a copy of the Antichrist, a great conqueror, totally ruthless and demanding absolute obedience. Also people basically worshipped him. Hitler also believed that a spiritual power was with him, at one point I think he even called that power God.
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets- Revelation 10:7
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Collosians 1:26..
... "It is finished"...?
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Collosians 1:26..
... "It is finished"...?
No they have not yet occured.
Proof of that is this one did not happen yet:
Proof of that is this one did not happen yet:
Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."
1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of YHWH; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."
1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of YHWH; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."