Am I being thought right? part 1
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You are doing the same thing that 99.9% of people do; Ken you are wrong: look at what this well known pastor says, no our churches does not believe that , our just like you said that is the gap theory. I am not referring to humans: in Chapter 38 God shows up in the whirlwind and starts a conversation with Job. God speaking out of the whirlwind asks Job Where wast thou verse 7. when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy? Job was right there with God. Read Job 38-42, Ezekiel 26-28 non of what is said in these chapters are my words. Peter in 2nd Peter 3:3 Knowing this first that in the last days there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after there own lusts, 4. And saying "where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5. For this they willingly (choose to be) ignorant of the fact, by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6. where by the world that then was, being overflowed by water perished. (end of the first earth age) 7. But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgement and perdition for ungodly men. (end of the second earth age) The 3rd earth age will be when God sets his throne here on earth and we live forever with Him.
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You are still not telling me where I am off; There is no gap theory. The bible plainly states that in the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth. and the earth became void and without form.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth became formless and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep
Formless: Strong's 8414 tohu phonic spelling is to'-hoo To lay wast a desalination
Void: Strong's 922 bohuw phonic spelling bo'-hoo An undistinguishable ruin:- emptiness, void.
I would strongly suggest. that if you do not have a Strong's concordance that you get one; It is a great teaching tool and will help you understand thing like this. I am not trying to be heavy handed but in a loving way point out the misunderstand that comes from a bad translation from Hebrew to English. In His love Kenneth
Genesis 1:2 And the earth became formless and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep
Formless: Strong's 8414 tohu phonic spelling is to'-hoo To lay wast a desalination
Void: Strong's 922 bohuw phonic spelling bo'-hoo An undistinguishable ruin:- emptiness, void.
I would strongly suggest. that if you do not have a Strong's concordance that you get one; It is a great teaching tool and will help you understand thing like this. I am not trying to be heavy handed but in a loving way point out the misunderstand that comes from a bad translation from Hebrew to English. In His love Kenneth
There is a huge difference between what you have here and what is in the KJB. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Leningrad Codex
וְהָאָ֗רֶץ הָיְתָ֥ה תֹ֙הוּ֙ וָבֹ֔הוּ וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ עַל־פְּנֵ֣י תְהֹ֑ום וְר֣וּחַ אֱלֹהִ֔ים מְרַחֶ֖פֶת עַל־פְּנֵ֥י הַמָּֽיִם
הָיְתָ֥ה (hā-yə-ṯāh) = was
"Was" means that before God began His creative work on the earth is was without any specific globular form. "Void" means it was totally empty of any life forms.
"Became" totally changes the meaning of this verse. "Became" means that it may have had a form earlier on, and it may have been inhabited, but suddenly something changed that. That is completely contrary to what is stated in the Bible.
Leningrad Codex
וְהָאָ֗רֶץ הָיְתָ֥ה תֹ֙הוּ֙ וָבֹ֔הוּ וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ עַל־פְּנֵ֣י תְהֹ֑ום וְר֣וּחַ אֱלֹהִ֔ים מְרַחֶ֖פֶת עַל־פְּנֵ֥י הַמָּֽיִם
הָיְתָ֥ה (hā-yə-ṯāh) = was
"Was" means that before God began His creative work on the earth is was without any specific globular form. "Void" means it was totally empty of any life forms.
"Became" totally changes the meaning of this verse. "Became" means that it may have had a form earlier on, and it may have been inhabited, but suddenly something changed that. That is completely contrary to what is stated in the Bible.
There are fewer and fewer people left that see truth and that was prophesied. Many have known since they were a child that there was more to GODS WORD than they have been taught. In the end days (now), they will be the Elect who stand against Satan and his lies and deception. If, and it seems you are blessed to have eyes to see than you have a destiny by GOD of infinite power and wisdom that will never forsake you. Where we stand in no more than a 10 day trial in the synagogues of Satan with a testimony of truth where even the gain sayers are convinced by it because it is not us who speak but the HOLY SPIRIT through us.
Don’t let man deceive you by causing you to believe traditions of man that make void the WORD of GOD. By you thinking and even knowing there was a 1st age where the destroyer caused a total destruction is a great blessing giving only by GOD. For not all are given eyes to see or ears to hear, that only comes about by the HOLY SPIRIT giving you light. Don’t let any other tradition of man sway you and there will be mockers of truth turning what’s right upside down but stand firm! For the HOLY SPIRIT has opened your eyes. You and GOD make a majority; we and GOD make a super, majority. CHRIST said marvel not that the evil spirits are subject to you but that you are found in the book of life. Thank GOD HE gave your eyes to see the truth, I do daily.
It would be a pleasure to talk more on it; we have to live in this world but we dont have to be part of it; Stay in the truth!
We will have to get together and see how our time lines, line up so we can converse live. I have recently retired and probably have more free time than most but do have grand children that take a ;lot.
Don’t let man deceive you by causing you to believe traditions of man that make void the WORD of GOD. By you thinking and even knowing there was a 1st age where the destroyer caused a total destruction is a great blessing giving only by GOD. For not all are given eyes to see or ears to hear, that only comes about by the HOLY SPIRIT giving you light. Don’t let any other tradition of man sway you and there will be mockers of truth turning what’s right upside down but stand firm! For the HOLY SPIRIT has opened your eyes. You and GOD make a majority; we and GOD make a super, majority. CHRIST said marvel not that the evil spirits are subject to you but that you are found in the book of life. Thank GOD HE gave your eyes to see the truth, I do daily.
It would be a pleasure to talk more on it; we have to live in this world but we dont have to be part of it; Stay in the truth!
We will have to get together and see how our time lines, line up so we can converse live. I have recently retired and probably have more free time than most but do have grand children that take a ;lot.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
and=polysidinton= meaning continuation; was=became>it became void when Satan rebelled; God doesn't create nothing in vain
Isa_45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isa_45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
‘without form, and void’; >heb.-tohu va bohu (only occ.). It was not created without form or void it became that way.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
When did this happen? for this age there were still man and birds and we still live,
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Again when? The dove came back to Noah with an olive branch after a year or so, if you know anything about olive trees it takes years to grow, but the dove brought back a leaf meaning the olive tree was living and fruitful.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
A total destruction and desolate not a Noahs flood but GOD created this 2nd age as wrote above because HE is fair and righteous. HE did not want to destroy 1/3rd of HIS children that fallowed Satan in 1st age without given them a choice first who they would love and created this 2nd age for that purpose. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
1st age the heavens were not black, The GODHEAD was the light and warmth in a perfect paradise with Firmament above and saw no darkness either spiritually or the physical space for eons. This age HE created the blackness of space, and the stars, sun, moon etc.
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
1st age; Both time, 1st age GOD shook the whole earth caused the firmament to fall freezing the whole planet because GOD was no longer on the earth but in heaven, a different dimension. We now have both a spiritual war and the last time when HE cast out Satan from heaven HE will again shake this time both heaven and earth bringing in a new age.
The firmament once above in HIS fury And the ocean that once, above crashed down at 1 very instant of time washing everything with a rush of fury. ( Study the Grand canyon for ex.) didn't happen this age but a vast rush of very violent waters. GOD shook the earth in 1st age at the rebellion of Satan and destroyed everything on it. (Gr. Kataballo-from Gr. 2596 and 906; -to throw down-cast down- fall down) from or sense foundation-GR. Katabole=founding; conception-conceive- Foundation. Destroying everything on earth; not the geological flood of Noah where the purpose was not to destroy 2nd age but the abominations of the fallen angels.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
CHRIST and Satan sang together, and all GODS created souls shouted with joy; all was perfect harmony and paradise at one time and lasted eons. This certainly didnt happen in this age: Both CHRIST and Satan has enmity from beginning of this age between them.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Oceans above us in 1st age. As when a woman’s water breaks doing child birth it comes at one gush. Just as the firmament once above did, certainly not Noah’s flood, it rained 40 days and nights of the Noahs flood.
Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
When did this happen? Certainly not in Noahs day; 1st age
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Psa 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Psa 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psa 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
Because of Satan’s rebellion and downfall GOD destroyed that age but did not destroy HIS children and created this 2nd age to give all 12 billion souls one last chance in this age to decide once and for all if they love GOD or be judged to his consuming fire. Satan’s a dead man walking and the only one sentenced to death but the 7k falling angels that rebelled with him that refused to be born of woman and committed abominations by seducing woman instead of being born of them will also be condemned to hell a consuming fire that will blot them out for all eternity. All the others of GODS 12 billion created souls who are born from above to women here in this age have their own self judgement in this age of who they will fallow.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
When did Satan cause the destruction of cities? This certainly didn't happen in this age! Satan worked his way up in 1st age to just under the GODHEAD and that was not good enough, he wanted to sit on the mercy seat instead of guarding it. The reason for Noahs flood was because of abominations of fallen angels seducing flesh women. The Bible is flooded with scripture throughout about the 1st age if read with understanding in the simplicity it is written. Throwing away the traditions of man that have made void the WORD of GOD.
Many scholars say the 1st 3 chapters of Ephesians are hard to understand, confusing so many would be Christians if they just took the blinders off that there are 3 Heaven and Earth ages they would come to full understanding where it fits like a glove on the hand.
GOD told Jeremiah before he was even in his mothers womb HE knew him, how did HE know him before he was even born if there was not a 1st age. You can say GOD just knew but that doesn't hold water if you know GOD, for GOD doesn't do anything with vanity, HE is incapable of it.
GOD said "Jacob I love Esau I hated" before he was even born GOD hated Esau because GOD knew the spirit HE would place in Esau and from what Esau did in 1st age GOD could hate him for it.
and=polysidinton= meaning continuation; was=became>it became void when Satan rebelled; God doesn't create nothing in vain
Isa_45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isa_45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
‘without form, and void’; >heb.-tohu va bohu (only occ.). It was not created without form or void it became that way.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
When did this happen? for this age there were still man and birds and we still live,
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Again when? The dove came back to Noah with an olive branch after a year or so, if you know anything about olive trees it takes years to grow, but the dove brought back a leaf meaning the olive tree was living and fruitful.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
A total destruction and desolate not a Noahs flood but GOD created this 2nd age as wrote above because HE is fair and righteous. HE did not want to destroy 1/3rd of HIS children that fallowed Satan in 1st age without given them a choice first who they would love and created this 2nd age for that purpose. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
1st age the heavens were not black, The GODHEAD was the light and warmth in a perfect paradise with Firmament above and saw no darkness either spiritually or the physical space for eons. This age HE created the blackness of space, and the stars, sun, moon etc.
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
1st age; Both time, 1st age GOD shook the whole earth caused the firmament to fall freezing the whole planet because GOD was no longer on the earth but in heaven, a different dimension. We now have both a spiritual war and the last time when HE cast out Satan from heaven HE will again shake this time both heaven and earth bringing in a new age.
The firmament once above in HIS fury And the ocean that once, above crashed down at 1 very instant of time washing everything with a rush of fury. ( Study the Grand canyon for ex.) didn't happen this age but a vast rush of very violent waters. GOD shook the earth in 1st age at the rebellion of Satan and destroyed everything on it. (Gr. Kataballo-from Gr. 2596 and 906; -to throw down-cast down- fall down) from or sense foundation-GR. Katabole=founding; conception-conceive- Foundation. Destroying everything on earth; not the geological flood of Noah where the purpose was not to destroy 2nd age but the abominations of the fallen angels.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
CHRIST and Satan sang together, and all GODS created souls shouted with joy; all was perfect harmony and paradise at one time and lasted eons. This certainly didnt happen in this age: Both CHRIST and Satan has enmity from beginning of this age between them.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Oceans above us in 1st age. As when a woman’s water breaks doing child birth it comes at one gush. Just as the firmament once above did, certainly not Noah’s flood, it rained 40 days and nights of the Noahs flood.
Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
When did this happen? Certainly not in Noahs day; 1st age
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Psa 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Psa 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psa 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
Because of Satan’s rebellion and downfall GOD destroyed that age but did not destroy HIS children and created this 2nd age to give all 12 billion souls one last chance in this age to decide once and for all if they love GOD or be judged to his consuming fire. Satan’s a dead man walking and the only one sentenced to death but the 7k falling angels that rebelled with him that refused to be born of woman and committed abominations by seducing woman instead of being born of them will also be condemned to hell a consuming fire that will blot them out for all eternity. All the others of GODS 12 billion created souls who are born from above to women here in this age have their own self judgement in this age of who they will fallow.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
When did Satan cause the destruction of cities? This certainly didn't happen in this age! Satan worked his way up in 1st age to just under the GODHEAD and that was not good enough, he wanted to sit on the mercy seat instead of guarding it. The reason for Noahs flood was because of abominations of fallen angels seducing flesh women. The Bible is flooded with scripture throughout about the 1st age if read with understanding in the simplicity it is written. Throwing away the traditions of man that have made void the WORD of GOD.
Many scholars say the 1st 3 chapters of Ephesians are hard to understand, confusing so many would be Christians if they just took the blinders off that there are 3 Heaven and Earth ages they would come to full understanding where it fits like a glove on the hand.
GOD told Jeremiah before he was even in his mothers womb HE knew him, how did HE know him before he was even born if there was not a 1st age. You can say GOD just knew but that doesn't hold water if you know GOD, for GOD doesn't do anything with vanity, HE is incapable of it.
GOD said "Jacob I love Esau I hated" before he was even born GOD hated Esau because GOD knew the spirit HE would place in Esau and from what Esau did in 1st age GOD could hate him for it.
Thak you for that I will keep posting. The way I am being taught make short post hard because I am being taught chapter by chapter and verse by verse. I will keep posting. Please let me know if you thank I am off base, but please keep it from the bible. I am sure you will from what you have posted. Everyday In God's word is a good day so you have a very good day Kenneth.
It does? Please read Job chapters 38-40. It clearly states that Ezekiel that Lucifer, the bright morning star, The Cherub that covered the mercy seat of God, wanted to seat in the mercy seat of God and take his place.
Here are some other verses that will back up the fact that God will not and really cannot create anything they thing void and without form.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish (make sure you look up the meaning of that word) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil,but to do good they have no knowledge.
Verse 23. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void: and the heavens, and they had no light. Verse 24. I behed the mountains, and, lo they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. Verse 25. I beheld, and lo there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. Verse 26. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. Verse 27. For thus has the LORD said, the whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. Verse 28. For his shall the earth mourn, and the heavens be black: because I have spoken it, and will not repent, neither shall I turn back.
This is not Noah's flood, remember the bird came back with a fig branch, there were people on the ark, there were birds on the ark.
One last verse; this verse has the same usage of the word was(became) void and without form. This is about Lot's wife.
Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, ad she became a pillar of salt.
If you want to believe that God can and will create a world that is void and without form that is your choose. Just remember it goes against Gods word. With His love and kindness Kenneth
Here are some other verses that will back up the fact that God will not and really cannot create anything they thing void and without form.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish (make sure you look up the meaning of that word) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil,but to do good they have no knowledge.
Verse 23. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void: and the heavens, and they had no light. Verse 24. I behed the mountains, and, lo they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. Verse 25. I beheld, and lo there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. Verse 26. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. Verse 27. For thus has the LORD said, the whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. Verse 28. For his shall the earth mourn, and the heavens be black: because I have spoken it, and will not repent, neither shall I turn back.
This is not Noah's flood, remember the bird came back with a fig branch, there were people on the ark, there were birds on the ark.
One last verse; this verse has the same usage of the word was(became) void and without form. This is about Lot's wife.
Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, ad she became a pillar of salt.
If you want to believe that God can and will create a world that is void and without form that is your choose. Just remember it goes against Gods word. With His love and kindness Kenneth
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Here's an excellent example of MISAPPLYING Scripture to support a bogus theory.
But the passage itself refutes you. So please note carefully what it actually says: Verse 27. For thus has the LORD said, the whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. What does "shall be" imply? Is that speaking of a PAST event, or is it pointing to a FUTURE event? But Jeremiah also sees the future event as though it has already occurred. This future event is related to the judgments found in Revelation. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood... For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand (Rev 6:12,17)
I already showed you that you corrupted Genesis 1:2 to fit your theory. I showed you what is stated in the Hebrew text. There is a huge difference between "was" and "became". So you are even willing to alter the Word of God while claiming that you are supporting it.
But the passage itself refutes you. So please note carefully what it actually says: Verse 27. For thus has the LORD said, the whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. What does "shall be" imply? Is that speaking of a PAST event, or is it pointing to a FUTURE event? But Jeremiah also sees the future event as though it has already occurred. This future event is related to the judgments found in Revelation. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood... For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand (Rev 6:12,17)
I already showed you that you corrupted Genesis 1:2 to fit your theory. I showed you what is stated in the Hebrew text. There is a huge difference between "was" and "became". So you are even willing to alter the Word of God while claiming that you are supporting it.
You are correct I misspelled polysyndeton: Being in a rush was going by memory which is not always a good thing which I try to avoid.
And always depends on the subject and context it used. Any time And capitalized to start a sentence is used as a continuation in scripture. This particular time in 1:2 is carrying on the subject that not from this age but eons ago referring to 1st age in this instance. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Period, does not say when. 1:2 AND continues the subject which is: it was not created that way; was without form and void; the beginnings of the “heaven and earth that are now”
In the 34 verses of, this introduction, each one of 102 separate acts are emphasized! This instance is speaking of the destruction of 1st age Peter and I would say all writers knew of the ages-3 heaven and earth ages. Beginning of this age and all verses start out with And -a “continuation” from the last continuing the thought through. That was the meaning of my post you so correctly corrected my spelling on, thanks. I just love those literary correctionists (my word for them)
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Without form=waste. Heb. Tohu va bohu. Wasn’t created tohu (Is 45:18) –became tohu-(Gen 1:2; Peter 3:5,6)= “an enemy had done this” (Math. 13:25,28,39; 1 Cor 14:33)
Was is in Italic because no verb “to be” in Hebrew language. In like manner man became a ruin (Gen 3, Psalms 14:1-3; Ps 51:5; Ps 53:1-3; Ecc. 7:20; Ro. 7:18)
As Kenneth correctly points out over and over and over.
And always depends on the subject and context it used. Any time And capitalized to start a sentence is used as a continuation in scripture. This particular time in 1:2 is carrying on the subject that not from this age but eons ago referring to 1st age in this instance. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Period, does not say when. 1:2 AND continues the subject which is: it was not created that way; was without form and void; the beginnings of the “heaven and earth that are now”
In the 34 verses of, this introduction, each one of 102 separate acts are emphasized! This instance is speaking of the destruction of 1st age Peter and I would say all writers knew of the ages-3 heaven and earth ages. Beginning of this age and all verses start out with And -a “continuation” from the last continuing the thought through. That was the meaning of my post you so correctly corrected my spelling on, thanks. I just love those literary correctionists (my word for them)
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Without form=waste. Heb. Tohu va bohu. Wasn’t created tohu (Is 45:18) –became tohu-(Gen 1:2; Peter 3:5,6)= “an enemy had done this” (Math. 13:25,28,39; 1 Cor 14:33)
Was is in Italic because no verb “to be” in Hebrew language. In like manner man became a ruin (Gen 3, Psalms 14:1-3; Ps 51:5; Ps 53:1-3; Ecc. 7:20; Ro. 7:18)
As Kenneth correctly points out over and over and over.
This is my opinion for the earth (physically) we live on. God created the earth and the universe for us. We were the last to be created on the 6th day and we are the crowning jewel. “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
I believe Job lived during the time of the Behemoth and the Leviathan or God wouldn't have said "Behold the Behemoth". I see only one age of the earth (physically), unless you count the flood as making a new earth. I don't because God didn't create anything new. He only preserved what He wanted.
As for the new heaven and earth, I see this as spiritually new. I suggest that its the time period after Jesus's sacrifice. Those righteous ones who had died (in heaven) and those living (on the earth) after Jesus's sacrifice now have access to His blood and the forgiveness of sins. Everything before was looking to the cross and everything since is looking back to the cross.
My .02
I believe Job lived during the time of the Behemoth and the Leviathan or God wouldn't have said "Behold the Behemoth". I see only one age of the earth (physically), unless you count the flood as making a new earth. I don't because God didn't create anything new. He only preserved what He wanted.
As for the new heaven and earth, I see this as spiritually new. I suggest that its the time period after Jesus's sacrifice. Those righteous ones who had died (in heaven) and those living (on the earth) after Jesus's sacrifice now have access to His blood and the forgiveness of sins. Everything before was looking to the cross and everything since is looking back to the cross.
My .02