Amillennial theology is in error - (no literal thousand year reign)

[zone]

Nope it is 490 years. The 483 has been completed. The 7 will also. As Jesus said, :now it has been hidden from you" He even acknowledged their would be a break in time. Then again, Daniel 9 shows us the break. we just have to open up to see it.

EG - i read your post.
have to rest. can we discuss it later?

meanwhile:

Nope it is 490 years. The 483 has been completed. The 7 will also.

490 years is not 490 years then.

it is 483 consecutive years...followed by a huge gap of unknown period of time....followed by a separate period of 7 years.

that's not 490 years.....that 2490+ years.
i don't care how you finesse this.
you're the one who needs every single date or period of time in scripture to be literal and precise.

except in this case.

the 7 years is only needed due to a misunderstanding about the tribulation.

and anyway....AFTER 69 weeks Messiah is cut off....not before.
if you sever week 70, you have Jesus killed in our future.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - KJV


25Know and understand this:
From the issuing of the decree
to restore and rebuild Jerusalemar
until •Messiahas the Princeat
will be seven weeks and 62 weeks.au
It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat,
but in difficult times.
26After those 62 weeksav
the Messiah will be cut offaw
and will have nothing.
The people of the coming prince
will destroy the cityax and the sanctuary.
Theay end will come with a flood,az
and until the end there will beba war;
desolations are decreed. - Holman

62+7=69....unto the Coming.

AFTER WEEK 69 JESUS IS CUT OFF.
that means He is cut off in week 70.

3 1/2 year Ministry.

ttyl

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - i read your post.
have to rest. can we discuss it later?

meanwhile:

Nope it is 490 years. The 483 has been completed. The 7 will also.

490 years is not 490 years then.

it is 483 consecutive years...followed by a huge gap of unknown period of time....followed by a separate period of 7 years.

that's not 490 years.....that 2490+ years.
i don't care how you finesse this.
you're the one who needs every single date or period of time in scripture to be literal and precise.

except in this case.

the 7 years is only needed due to a misunderstanding about the tribulation.

and anyway....AFTER 69 weeks Messiah is cut off....not before.
if you sever week 70, you have Jesus killed in our future.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - KJV


25Know and understand this:
From the issuing of the decree
to restore and rebuild Jerusalemar
until •Messiahas the Princeat
will be seven weeks and 62 weeks.au
It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat,
but in difficult times.
26After those 62 weeksav
the Messiah will be cut offaw
and will have nothing.
The people of the coming prince
will destroy the cityax and the sanctuary.
Theay end will come with a flood,az
and until the end there will beba war;
desolations are decreed. - Holman

62+7=69....unto the Coming.

AFTER WEEK 69 JESUS IS CUT OFF.
that means He is cut off in week 70.

3 1/2 year Ministry.

ttyl

You forget something.

the 490 years is in Gods dealing with Israel as a nation. (all the prophesies concerning Isreal deal with her as a nation. As already been proven, Babylon was not a complete scattering. More jews lived in what we know as Israel than were taken to babylon. The first literal dispersion where the nation of Israel had no name or community occured in 70 AD. Since there was No Israel. there would be no prophesies concerning Israel. )

Again, No one in the OT saw this. Not even Satan. God could not allow Satan to see this. If he did, Satan would never have allowed Jesus to be crucified. let alone have a hand in doing it himself.

THIS IS THE MYSTERY.

The day Jesus entered the city (the exact end of the 483 year) Jesus admitted himself. "It has been hidden from you" In other words. God was no longer dealing with Israel or the city of Jerusalem.

of Course Daniel was told this. Many things happened AFTER the messiah was cut off. And before a week covenant was made. "wars and desolations" which if we look at world history from the time of his death until today what do we see? many wars and desolations over the city of jerusalem. Amazing how God predicted this would occure in daniels time. and it happened LITERALLY as said. He even tells us this time of these events are decreed. but does not tell us what that time is.

during the 70th week. What does he tell us? In the middle will be the abomination.
after this, what has been confirmed will be poured out on the desolate (read revelations) and at the end the prophesy will be fulfilled.

Even Jesus admitted this. A time of great tribulation, which will be cut short. otherwise "no life" would survive.

It ends with his coming. When all the messianic prophesies are fulfilled. Isreal is returned from all the nations where she has been taken due to her sin. Jerusalem is no longer desolate. And the world is worshiping the messiah.

then again, we have been over this..

 

[cfultz3]

Earlier in the thread, Zone and I was talking about who would Christ and those with Him rule during the Millennium Period and I would like to continue talking about this.......

I am still thinking on who would be those "middle people" (those not destroyed during the war against the saints and Holy City). That was truly a thought provoking question Zone asked me. After reading Rev 19 or 20, where it addresses the beast being defeated, I noticed that at the end of that chapter, it only mentions that the beast, the antichirst, and THOSE who would go to war with them against the saints and the Holy City are the ones who are thrown into the lake of fire. I can only assume that perhaps some will flee and hide (run to the mountains), choosing not to be a part of that system or one who will be slain for the sake of Christ. I really do not know, just a lot of assumptions pulled from what I can understand from Revelation......

 

[konroh]

Rev 19:21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Though it does not say that these who are killed are thrown into the lake of fire, it certainly seems to be the case. They don't go to the Father's house in heaven, they don't enter the millenium or reign with Christ. They are killed. They go to Hades, Hell, but notice that the beast and false prophet and Satan the dragon are thrown alive into the lake of fire, also in Matt. it is mentioned that Satan goes to the center of the lake of fire. There seems to be gradients of the lake of fire, degrees of torture. Surely being thrown alive into hell is the worst punishment. It would seem that there are none left after the Lord's fiery return who are not on His side. Then we have the description of the 1000 year millenial reign of Christ. All those who enter the millenium are Christ's at the beginning.

 

[JesusChica1991]

I can't believe I just read all this.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Church Age Gap Vacuum can not be Millennium.

The Church Age, which is the current Dispensation which we are now in is NOT the Millennium. The Millennial Kingdom takes place at Christ's Second Coming, right after the Judgment of the Nations (Sheep and Goats), [Matthew 25:31-46, Rev. 20:1-4].

obvious Biblical conclusion which exhalts and does not humiliate Jesus Christ:

1Pe 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones,
are built up a spiritual house,
an holy priesthood,
to offer up spiritual sacrifices,
acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


We as lively stones;
an holy priesthood
DO offer up spiritual sacrifices
RIGHT NOW during the
A THOUSAND YEARS
(figurative number)
CURRENT AGE.



pass it on.

Zone, the very phrase "spiritual sacrifices" only appears one time in the entire Holy Bible.


Therefore it would be wise to compare this verse of Scripture with other Scriptures. It is always wise to compare Scripture with Scripture (See 1 Cor. 2:13).


5 ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. - 1 Peter 2:5 (King James Bible)



19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone;
21 in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. - Ephesians 2:19-21 (King James Bible)




12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. - Romans 12:1-2 (King James Bible)




By the way, 1 Peter 2:5 does not change the fact that there will be real, physical animal sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom. There are plenty of passages of Scripture in the Old Testament (Major Prophets: Ezek. 43:18-27, 44:11-15, 44:27-31, 45:15-25; 46:4-15; 46:20-24, Isa. 56:6-8) which teach that animal sacrifices will be reinstituted in the Messianic, Millennial Kingdom where Kingdom Law will be implemented.



So again Zone, as much as you want to "spiritualize" these passages, it still does not work. Once again Zone, The Scriptures which I just listed for you, all clearly teach that animal sacrifices will be reinstituted during the Millennial Kingdom. But because you cannot handle them, you choose to continually "spiritualize" them in order to explain them away. Or to make them to teach something that they do not teach at all.


Also, the 1,000 years is NOT figurative. It is Literal.


And we are not in the 1,000 year reign right now. The Millennial Kingdom will come after the end of the time of Jacob's trouble and after the Judgment of the Nations (again, see Matt. 25:31-46, & Rev. 20:1-4).


IN the 1,000 year Literal, Physical, Davidic, Messianic, Jewish, Reign and Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ our Lord will be present in Jerusalem ruling and reigning on His throne.

 

[cfultz3]

Rev 19:21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Though it does not say that these who are killed are thrown into the lake of fire, it certainly seems to be the case. They don't go to the Father's house in heaven, they don't enter the millenium or reign with Christ. They are killed. They go to Hades, Hell, but notice that the beast and false prophet and Satan the dragon are thrown alive into the lake of fire, also in Matt. it is mentioned that Satan goes to the center of the lake of fire. There seems to be gradients of the lake of fire, degrees of torture. Surely being thrown alive into hell is the worst punishment. It would seem that there are none left after the Lord's fiery return who are not on His side. Then we have the description of the 1000 year millenial reign of Christ. All those who enter the millenium are Christ's at the beginning.

My considerations:

Breakdown of Rev 19:19-21

The beast and the "kings of the earth with their armies" are gathered to make war....

The beast and the false prophet were taken and they BOTH were thrown alive into the Lake of fire....

The remnant (remaining, others) (supposedly, the kings and their armies) was slain by the One who sat on the horse.....

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It seems that those who will remain after the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire are those who will have received the mark of the beast and those who will have worshiped his image.

It seems it is saying that these are the ones who will be slain by Jesus in Rev 19:21, seeing that after the thousand years of Satan's imprisonment is over, he will come and deceive some of those who are existing after the events of Rev 19, as per Rev 20:8.

If only those who are Christ's exist after his release, then it would seem to be saying that Satan could turn some of those resurrected during Christ's reign against Jesus. I would have to assume that this conclusion is not proper and would have to say that others besides Christ's elect would have to also exist during Christ's Millennium earthly reign.

--Chris

 

[starfield]

By the way, 1 Peter 2:5 does not change the fact that there will be real, physical animal sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom. There are plenty of passages of Scripture in the Old Testament (Major Prophets: Ezek. 43:18-27, 44:11-15, 44:27-31, 45:15-25; 46:4-15; 46:20-24, Isa. 56:6-8) which teach that animal sacrifices will be reinstituted in the Messianic, Millennial Kingdom where Kingdom Law will be implemented.

You really should stop making these blasphemous statements. There will never be a re-institution of animal sacrifices for Jesus is the PERFECT and FINAL sacrifice.

Hebrews 10:9-14
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[zone]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to starfield again.


i have NO IDEA why this user is not BANNED

 

[zone]

animal sacrifices will be reinstituted during the Millennial Kingdom.

reported.
and will be reported again and again and again until one of us is banned.

you are a blasphemous heretic.

cursed.

 

[zone]

Galatians 3:10a
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse

Romans 8:8
Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

 

[vic1980]

I don't think this has happen yet. If it has please share what you have

Zechariah 14

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. 11And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. 14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. 15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

All Nations will Worship the King

16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

God promise : and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


God bless

 

[cfultz3]

My considerations:

Breakdown of Rev 19:19-21

The beast and the "kings of the earth with their armies" are gathered to make war....

The beast and the false prophet were taken and they BOTH were thrown alive into the Lake of fire....

The remnant (remaining, others) (supposedly, the kings and their armies) was slain by the One who sat on the horse.....

.
.
.
.

It seems that those who will remain after the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire are those who will have received the mark of the beast and those who will have worshiped his image.

It seems it is saying that these are the ones who will be slain by Jesus in Rev 19:21, seeing that after the thousand years of Satan's imprisonment is over, he will come and deceive some of those who are existing after the events of Rev 19, as per Rev 20:8.

If only those who are Christ's exist after his release, then it would seem to be saying that Satan could turn some of those resurrected during Christ's reign against Jesus. I would have to assume that this conclusion is not proper and would have to say that others besides Christ's elect would have to also exist during Christ's Millennium earthly reign.

--Chris

Thanks to a different post, I think this is the answer to who will be the "middle" people who will be ruled during Christ's Millennium reign:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

--Chris

 

[Isdaniel]

9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. 11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. - Hebrews 13:9-11 (Holy Bible)



Now let us look at some of the Scriptures which teach that there will be animal sacrifices during the Millennial Kingdom:



18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
24 And thou shalt offer them before the Lord, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the Lord.
25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord God. - Ezekiel 43:18-27 (Holy Bible)



Also the sons of the stranger,
that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him,
and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants,
every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it,
and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith,
Yet will I gather others to him,
beside those that are gathered unto him. - Isaiah 56:6-8 (Holy Bible)

This is metaphorically speaking Jesus died and doing animal sacrifice is contary to what God require today and in the future


God wants spiritual sacrifices thus that is what Ezekiel means

 

[Isdaniel]

Thanks to a different post, I think this is the answer to who will be the "middle" people who will be ruled during Christ's Millennium reign:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

--Chris

Revelation 2
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

 

[vic1980]

and don't let any worldly teachers tell you satan is not

a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, with a crown on each of his seven heads

and don't let any worldly teachers tell you satan does not have

a tail which sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven and throws them to the earth.

and don't let any worldly teachers tell you satan is not

a dragon standing before a woman who will be about to give birth

and don't let any worldly teachers tell you satan will not be attempting to

eat her child.




you been warned.


be watching for a great red dragon lurking around some pregnant woman, you'll recognize this particular red dragon.....because he has seven heads with crowns on all those heads, and he is hungry and wants to eat the baby.

good luck seeing that......dunno: maybe in CHINA? DRAGON? CHINA? RED? MAYBE RUSSIA....RED....oh i don't know.
i just know it says EXACTLY THAT.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Seems that in the endtime events there are three major players on the Bad team,The dragon (satan), Beast, False Prophet. Something that has been podering in my mind perhaps satan no longer hidden from the eyes of the world. but thats just something i pondering don't know if it is true or not. Perhaps if i had scripture to back it up Hmm...

Isaiah 14

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

God bless

 

[vic1980]

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Seems that in the endtime events there are three major players on the Bad team,The dragon (satan), Beast, False Prophet. Something that has been podering in my mind perhaps satan no longer hidden from the eyes of the world. but thats just something i pondering don't know if it is true or not. Perhaps if i had scripture to back it up Hmm...

Isaiah 14

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

God bless

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

God bless

 

[zone]

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

God bless

so....is the devil satan?
is satan a beautiful cherubim?
or is he an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads?
we want to be literal, right?

 

[zone]

Thanks to a different post, I think this is the answer to who will be the "middle" people who will be ruled during Christ's Millennium reign:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

--Chris

so the whole book is fulfilled, except 2 verses in chapter 14 - which zoom forward in time thousands of years to a restored temple system.

k

 

[zone]

I don't think this has happen yet. If it has please share what you have

Zechariah 14

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. 11And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. 14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. 15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

All Nations will Worship the King

16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

God promise : and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


God bless

so you also are living in a mystery dispensation?
why aren't you currently going to Jerusalem every year to observe the feasts?
and you'll be sacrificing animals as well?

hope you don't live on another continent, because horses are what you will ride into Jerusalem.

the same Jerusalem Jesus Christ Himself said was not the place God would be worshipped.

He never, ever said anything different.

see, the same system of interpretation that says believing Israel never became the church....doesn't understand which Jerusalem dwells in safety.

if Paul....a NT writer (superceding Zechariah, btw which is fulfilled) said this was happening in his day:

Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.


why do people keep over-riding Paul?


well....the alternative is to show

a) a New Testament narrative which reverses Galatians 4 and John 4 (for ex).
b) that New Jerusalem hovers over the old during the Millennium.

you have no other options.