Amillennial theology is in error - (no literal thousand year reign)

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What kingdom would Christ rule? A dead one.

an absent king (as the roman catholic church concocted up, and unfortunately many of her daughters have a hard time walking away from)

Matthew 2:1-6
“Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem in Judea, during the reign of King Herod. About that time some wise men from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking, ‘Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We have seen His star as it arose, and we have come to worship Him.’ Herod was deeply disturbed by their question, as was all of Jerusalem. He called a meeting of the leading priests and teachers of religious law. ‘Where did the prophets say the Messiah would be born?’ he asked them. ‘In Bethlehem,’ they said, ‘for this is what the prophet wrote: ‘O Bethlehem of Judah, you are not just a lowly village in Judah, for a ruler will come from you who will be the shepherd for my people Israel.’”

Luke 2:4-5, 7, 15
“And because Joseph was a descendant of King David, he had to go to Bethlehem in Judea, David’s ancient home. He traveled there from the village of Nazareth in Galilee. He took with him Mary, his fiancée, who was obviously pregnant by this time. She gave birth to her first child, a son. She wrapped Him snugly in strips of cloth and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the village inn. When the angels had returned to heaven, the shepherds said to each other, ‘Come on, let’s go to Bethlehem! Let’s see this wonderful thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.’”

John 7:42
“For the Scriptures clearly state that the Messiah will be born of the royal line of David, in Bethlehem, the village where King David was born.”


Matthew 1:20-23
“As he considered this, he fell asleep, and an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. ‘Joseph, son of David,’ the angel said, ‘do not be afraid to go ahead with your marriage to Mary. For the child within her has been conceived by the Holy Spirit. And she will have a son, and you are to name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.’ All of this happened to fulfill the Lord’s message through His prophet: ‘Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and He will be called Immanuel (meaning, God is with us).’”

Matthew 21:8-11
“Most of the crowd spread their coats on the road ahead of Jesus, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. He was in the center of the procession, and the crowds all around Him were shouting, ‘Praise God for the Son of David! Bless the One who comes in the name of the Lord! Praise God in highest heaven!’ The entire city of Jerusalem was stirred as He entered. ‘Who is this?’ they asked. And the crowds replied, ‘It’s Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.’”

Luke 19:35-37
“So they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments over it for Him to ride on. Then the crowds spread out their coats on the road ahead of Jesus. As they reached the place where the road started down from the Mount of Olives, all of His followers began to shout and sing as they walked along, praising God for all the wonderful miracles they had seen.”

John 12:12-15
“The next day, the news that Jesus was on the way to Jerusalem swept through the city. A huge crowd of Passover visitors took palm branches and went down the road to meet Him.

They shouted, ‘Praise God! Bless the One who comes in the name of the Lord!
Hail to the King of Israel!

Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, fulfilling the prophecy that said:

‘Don’t be afraid, people of Israel. Look, your King is coming, sitting on a donkey’s colt.’”


.....

oh but they rejected Him ....so THE KINGDOM WAS POSTPONED.

all these prophecies were not actually fulfilled.

God is deceiving somebody (SATAN?) by pretending Jesus actually CAME AS MESSIAH AND WAS A KING....His word says so, but it's a trick....or some stupid idea.

GET REAL.

either that or PRODUCE THE PAGES THAT SAY ALL THAT WAS STOPPED.
SHOW ME SOME STUPID PROPHETIC CLOCK STOPPING.

come on - ANYONE.....show me A CLOCK STOPPING.

and do by NOT making God's LITERAL EXACT PROPHETIC NUMBER OF YEARS mean something other than what he said they EXACTLY WERE.

where's the Revived Roman Empire? huh?

POST IT...FROM THE BIBLE.
 
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Amil teaches that there is only one bodily resurrection event, even though Jesus said that there are two separate bodily resurrections:

Do not be astonished at this, because an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs will hear his voice and they will come out—those who have done good things to a resurrection of life, but those who have practiced evil things to a resurrection of judgment. John 5:28-29​

Revelation 20 echoes this fact by revealing that the resurrection of the just (first resurrection) and the resurrection of the unjust (last resurrection) are separated by 1000 years.

Amil teaches that the first resurrection is not a bodily resurrection, but is the new spiritual birth that has already happened. In other words, for believers the first resurrection is a present reality. This is the same doctrine that Hymenaeus taught:

Their message will spread like gangrene, among whom are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have deviated concerning the truth by saying the resurrection has already come into being, and they are overthrowing the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18​
 
Amil teaches that there is only one bodily resurrection event, even though Jesus said that there are two separate bodily resurrections:

Do not be astonished at this, because an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs will hear his voice and they will come out—those who have done good things to a resurrection of life, but those who have practiced evil things to a resurrection of judgment. John 5:28-29​

oh you gotta be kidding.

how long is that hour?
A THOUSAND YEARS LONG?

Revelation 20 echoes this fact by revealing that the resurrection of the just (first resurrection) and the resurrection of the unjust (last resurrection) are separated by 1000 years.

wrong.

Amil teaches that the first resurrection is not a bodily resurrection, but is the new spiritual birth that has already happened. In other words, for believers the first resurrection is a present reality. This is the same doctrine that Hymenaeus taught:

Their message will spread like gangrene, among whom are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have deviated concerning the truth by saying the resurrection has already come into being, and they are overthrowing the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18​

ok...you're entitled to this.
when you find out you're wrong, you can send me an apology.
actually, don't bother...i don't care.
i'm totally out of patience with this preposterous and blasphemous GAP REVERSAL TO THE OLD.

do what y'all want.
you spend a few days looking at Amil and that's it.
well good for you.l

John 5
27and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

maybe you should spend some time on this:

John 11
23Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again." 24Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." 25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,

now go read about His resurrection again.

if you're not in Him...in His resurrection, you ain't saved.

and if you try claim some spiritual resurrection (born again) then TWO BODILY resurrections...you got THREE (or more).


done for today on this RIDICULOUS THREAD.
 
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Oh, so it's OK to allegorize 1000 years, but not an hour? :)

that's up for you to figure out now.
you're on your own....which is best anyway.

you don't want to read resources offered.
yet you have a monster site i went through - to understand what you were saying.

wrestle away.
no matter how you do it, it's not going to work.
Jesus NEVER taught two resurrections unto JUDGMENT....ever.

but spend all the years you need figuring it out.
:)

if ya change yer mind, lemme know.
meanwhile....Jesus isn't a King Now, not the Messiah, we need a temple and 1,000 years for the earth to lie fallow i thought you said - with nobody on it.

like....eh.

this really is not hard at all.
Daniel 12 is not about the Resurrection day btw.
go work on that for a year
 
you don't want to read resources offered.
yet you have a monster site i went through - to understand what you were saying.

Even if I believed every word in those resources, the similarities between Hymenaeus' and amil's teaching on the resurrection, and Paul's condemnation of the former's, would concern me greatly.
 
Amil teaches that there is only one bodily resurrection event, even though Jesus said that there are two separate bodily resurrections:

Do not be astonished at this, because an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs will hear his voice and they will come out—those who have done good things to a resurrection of life, but those who have practiced evil things to a resurrection of judgment. John 5:28-29​
The passage could be speaking of one bodily resurrection event at Christ's Second Advent but for different purposes - some will be raised to life and some, to judgment. Dispensational premilliennialism however postulates about three stages of the first resurrection, and a second resurrection. Such cannot be found in the scripture.
 
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where's the Revived Roman Empire? huh?

POST IT...FROM THE BIBLE.

where is the revived roman empire?

[SUP]41 [/SUP]Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. [SUP]42 [/SUP]And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. [SUP]43 [/SUP]As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. [SUP]44 [/SUP]And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. [SUP]12 [/SUP]As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.


[SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[SUP][d][/SUP] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.



[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

And all the world marveled and followed the beast. [SUP]4 [/SUP]So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[SUP][c][/SUP] for forty-two months. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[SUP][d][/SUP] tongue, and nation. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

oh Wait. you think this already happened. This is just a symbol. an allegory, and will not literally happen.

(rolls eyes)







 
where is the revived roman empire?

[SUP]41 [/SUP]Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. [SUP]42 [/SUP]And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. [SUP]43 [/SUP]As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. [SUP]44 [/SUP]And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. [SUP]12 [/SUP]As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.


[SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[SUP][d][/SUP] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.



[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

And all the world marveled and followed the beast. [SUP]4 [/SUP]So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[SUP][c][/SUP] for forty-two months. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[SUP][d][/SUP] tongue, and nation. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

oh Wait. you think this already happened. This is just a symbol. an allegory, and will not literally happen.

(rolls eyes)








ya...i know....you have trouble understanding the visions the prophets received.

coming from somebody who scoffs at Christ being King now...this doesnt phase me EG.
you dont believe the saints possess the kingdom (i reckon you aint saved)...even though the entire New Testament says they do.
the Old prophesied it CLEARLY.


Daniel 7:13-14
"13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

Acts 1:9-11
"9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Ephesians 1:20-22
"20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,"

Luke 1:31-33
"31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

Hebrews 1:8
"8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Daniel 9:24
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Galatians 1:3-5
"3 Grace be to you, and peace, from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."

Daniel 9:25
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, unto the Messiah the Prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

John 12:12-13
"12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Genesis 49:10
"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."

John 18:31
"Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:"

Matthew 27:50-51
"50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

Daniel 9:26
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary"


Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed by Titus in 70AD.
almost 40 years after Jesus Christ was crucified.
Jesus warned of the destruction of the temple (and the tribulation) in Matthew 24:1-2.
a million Jews were killed during the destruction.

OLD COVENANT SYSTEM GONE FOREVER.

JUST NEW COVENANT GOSPEL AND JUDGMENT DAY.


....

GOD DID NOT KEEP HIS PROMISES...HUH.

if you loved Him you would KNOW HE DID.

bye for now.
i m outta here for today.
patience with this absurd theology (cough) is at an end.
 
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The Israel of God
(Galatians 6:16)


by Michael Marlowe, Dec. 2004.

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[TD]14 ἐμοὶ δὲ μὴ γένοιτο καυχᾶσθαι εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, δι᾽ οὗ ἐμοὶ κόσμος ἐσταύρωται κἀγὼ κόσμῳ. 15 οὔτε γὰρ περιτομή τί ἐστιν οὔτε ἀκροβυστία, ἀλλὰ καινὴ κτίσις. 16 καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν, εἰρήνη ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς καὶ ἔλεος, καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ.
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[TD]14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [SUP][1][/SUP] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God," and in the New International Version's "even to the Israel of God." It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, as Marvin Vicent says, "The ὅσοι ['as many as'] will refer to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, and forming the true messianic community." (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180). So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, if it is not misunderstood. In any case, it seems clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase "as many as shall walk by this rule" (the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group.
The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists are interested in maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" across a whole range of theological matters pertaining to prophecy, ecclesiology, and soteriology. They are not comfortable with the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This is a major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics. C.I. Scofield in his tract, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth (New York, Loizeaux Brothers, 1888) wrote, "Comparing, then, what is said in Scripture concerning Israel and the Church, [a careful Bible student ] finds that in origin, calling, promise, worship, principles of conduct, and future destiny--all is contrast." Likewise Charles Ryrie in his book Dispensationalism Today (Chicago, 1965) explained that the "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity." (pp. 44-45).
The traditional Protestant and Catholic approach to this matter is quite different, however, because in these traditions "Israel" is often interpreted typologically. The Church is understood to be a "Spiritual Israel," so that many things said in connection with Israel in Scripture are applied to the Church. For instance, the words of Psalm 122, "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee," are understood as in Matthew Henry's commentary: "The peace and welfare of the gospel church ... is to be earnestly desired and prayed for." This is in keeping with the method of the apostles, as for instance in Galatians 4:26, where the apostle Paul speaks of "the Jerusalem that is above." Therefore when Paul speaks of "the Israel of God" in 6:16, the meaning of this expression is readily grasped. Rather than seeing a contrast, a deeply meaningful typological relationship is perceived.
As a young Christian I attended a church where the Dispensationalist approach was taught, and I remember how it was frequently supported by the statement that in Scripture "the Church is never called Israel." Galatians 6:16 was explained as if the phrase "and upon the Israel of God" referred to a Jewish subset of those people who "walk by this rule," that is, the Christians of Jewish ethnic background as distinguished from those who are of non-Jewish background. Apparently this unqualified assertion that the Church is never spoken of as "Israel" continues to be important to dispensationalists, because in a recent article a prominent dispensationalist author calls it a "horrendous mistake" when "the Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16 is understood to include Gentiles. [SUP][2][/SUP] There does not seem to be any reason for this interpretation aside from the desire of dispensationalists to exclude all typological interpretations and to defend their contention that "the Church is never called Israel."
Aside from typological considerations, this dispensationalist explanation of the meaning of "The Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16 seems contrary to the tenor of the epistle, in which it is said that "in Christ Jesus ... there is neither Jew nor Greek." This is the central idea of the epistle, as expressed in the third chapter: "you are all one in Christ Jesus ... if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring" (3:26-29). Scofield himself acknowledged this when he wrote, "In the Church the distinction of Jew and Gentile disappears." This raises several questions. If "in the Church the distinction of Jew and Gentile disappears," as Scofield says, then why would Paul make such a distinction in 6:16? And if it is true that the Church is never called Israel in Scripture, and "all is contrast" between the two, then in what sense can Christians of Jewish background be called "Israel" any longer, if they are in the Church? If someone in the Church is being called "Israel," then the all-important distinction between Israel and the Church has been breached. If it is said that people of Jewish background may still be called "Israel" after they have become Christians, then it must be admitted that the strict terminological distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" has broken down at this point. Further, if it is said that only persons of Jewish backgound can be so called, then we may rightly ask what has become of the teaching that "In the Church the distinction of Jew and Gentile disappears"? Do we have a separate class of "Jewish Christians" who alone are entitled to the name "Israel of God"? If so, what is the significance of this? Are there two types of Christianity, two Churches? My own experience of dispensationalist teaching suggests to me that in fact this is the view held by many dispensationalists today: the idea is that there is a "Jewish" Christianity and a "Gentile" Christianity, and in some sense the "Jewish" Christians are thought to be more important and especially favored by God. [SUP][3][/SUP]
The older dispensationalist writers, such as Darby, Scofield, and Chafer, avoided some of these embarrassing questions and implications because their distinction between Israel and the Church was more consistent and more radical. Scofield believed that the Jews of the end times were to be saved according to the Law of Moses, with renewed animal sacrifices. His scheme of interpretation envisioned a time when the parenthetical "Church age" has ended and the Law of Moses is reinstituted for salvific purposes. After this change of "dispensations" people will be saved according to a different gospel, the "Gospel of the Kingdom." Paul's doctrine (called the "Gospel of the Grace of God") was no longer in effect. Paul's teaching on the unity of the Church did not apply because the Church has been "raptured" and is no longer in the earth, and God is no longer dealing with the Church. In this manner the distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" was upheld without denying the unity of the body of Christ. But it is difficult to speak of Scofield's "Israel" of the end-times as consisting of "Jewish Christians," because they are not in the Church, and they are not dealt with on the same terms as the Christians who are of the Church. They are "God's earthly people," according to Scofield, as distinguished from the Church, who are God's "heavenly people." They are the "wife of Jehovah" and not the "bride of Christ," and so forth. Such teachings of the classic dispensationalist theology rigorously maintained the distinction between "Israel" and "the Church." If this distinction is to be upheld in Galatians 6:16 then presumably the "Israel of God" must be taken as a reference to the eschatological Israel who are to be saved by a different gospel, after Paul's own gospel dispensation has ended. [SUP][4][/SUP] But one rarely hears this kind of pure and radical dispensationalist teaching now. Today dispensationalists seem to be in a muddle, having moved away from consistency in distinguishing Israel and the Church. Israel may now be spoken of as a part of the Church, and so there is a special and privileged class of "Jewish Christians" within the body of Christ. [SUP][5][/SUP]
These features of dispensationalism raise many serious theological problems which I will not go into here. My main purpose here has been to show what notions are being brought to the text when a dispensationalist says it is a "horrendous mistake" to interpret Paul's "Israel of God" as a way of referring to the Church in Galatians 6:16. The dispensationalist complaint against the traditional understanding of Galatians 6:16 is, in my opinion, an example of sectarian "end-times prophecy" baggage being brought to the text, and it does not represent a serious attempt to understand the phrase in its context.

Other agendas are at work among non-dispensationalist scholars who have argued against the traditional view. When I was a seminary student in the early 1990's one liberal professor's favorite topic was "anti-semitism" in the Church, and he was an outspoken opponent of evangelization of the Jews. This professor taught a course on the Pauline epistles in which he objected to the traditional interpretation on the grounds that it was anti-semitic. He maintained that in Galatians 6:16b Paul was blessing the nation of Israel, not appropriating the name "Israel" for the Church, nor even using the phrase "Israel of God" for Christians of Jewish background. In his opinion, Paul's statement should be read as an affirmation of the kind of religious pluralism that prevails in liberal circles. I am not aware of an exegetical commentary which adopts this very dubious view, but the HarperCollins Study Bible (1993) prepared by liberal scholars does have a note at Galatians 6:16 which reads, "Israel of God, the church as the true Israel ... or, alternately, the whole people of Israel." Although the annotator of Galatians here (indentified as Richard B. Hays of Duke University in the list of contributors) goes on to say "the argument of Galatians appears to support the former interpretation," the alternative he gives is not "Jewish Christians" but "the whole people of Israel." The pluralism and the opposition to Jewish evangelism I encountered at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary is probably one reason for this, and also one reason why the New Revised Standard Version (1989) revisers inserted the word "and" before the RSV's "upon the Israel of God." Here again a good deal of baggage is being brought to the text, consisting of ideas which are completely foreign to Paul's gospel.
It may be wondered whether some dispensationalists have also adopted the view that "the Israel of God" simply refers to Israel according to the flesh. As noted above, it would be entirely in keeping with the earlier dispensationalist writers to maintain that Paul is blessing Jews who are outside of the Church, as the "earthly people of God." The fascination with the secular state of Israel which is so characteristic of dispensationalists today has apparently led many of them to think that the restoration of the Jews as "God's people" has already occured, despite the fact that the Church has not been raptured and the Jews continue to reject Christ. Dispensationalists insist that this unbelieving Israel according to the flesh must be blessed by everyone. If this is the case, why indeed should Paul not be blessing them as the "Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16? But of course the premise is all wrong, because there is no blessing for those who reject Christ.
In conclusion, I will state my opinion that the attempt to limit the meaning of "Israel of God" to the carnal sons of Judah betrays a fundamentally wrong approach to biblical interpretation, and to New Testament theology in particular. I give below some excerpts from writers whom I believe to be more in touch with the meaning of Paul's expression. Even in these authors I find, however, an insufficient appreciation of Paul's expression. "Peace be ... upon the Israel of God" is not so much a polemical or ironic usage directed against the Judaizers (Luther and Calvin) as a positive blessing and affirmation of the Church as the true spiritual Israel. It is a mistake to see bitterness in this blessing.

The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)
 
I thought this thread was about amillennialism. Why is there so much emphasis on dispensationalism?

Pretty hard not to discuss dispensationalism when it's the common thread/jest of pre-mill/pre-rapture theology. Showing the error of one helps in distinguishing the truth of the other. Re-instituting animal sacrifices and a new/different way of being saved for some ... (after seeing Christ return in the clouds ?) just isn't cutting it for me.
 
Pretty hard not to discuss dispensationalism when it's the common thread/jest of pre-mill/pre-rapture theology. Showing the error of one helps in distinguishing the truth of the other. Re-instituting animal sacrifices and a new/different way of being saved for some ... (after seeing Christ return in the clouds ?) just isn't cutting it for me.

Millennialism is a characteristic of dispensationalism, but not vice versa.
 
What do you amillennialist do with these verses?

Rev_20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
 
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The amillenialists have to spiritualize Rev. 20 In order to explain away what it clearly teaches.

Rev. 20 teaches a 1,000 year literal reign of the Lord Jesus Christ on the earth. But again, since the ammillenialists reject this Biblical truth of a Millennial Reign on Earth, Rev. 20 is another text which the ammillenialists spiritualize since they cannot handle Bible Doctrine.
 
well if it's not in your Bible footnotes, your sources are the same apostate and totally blasphemous sources as others who believe this.

as sickening as it is, i suppose we have to know who they are among us.

they went out from us...to show they were NEVER of us.

Hebrews 13
9Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them. 10We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat. 11For the bodies of those animals whose blood is brought into the holy places by the high priest as a sacrifice for sin are burned outside the camp.



9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. 11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. - Hebrews 13:9-11 (Holy Bible)



Now let us look at some of the Scriptures which teach that there will be animal sacrifices during the Millennial Kingdom:



18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
24 And thou shalt offer them before the Lord, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the Lord.
25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord God. - Ezekiel 43:18-27 (Holy Bible)



Also the sons of the stranger,
that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him,
and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants,
every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it,
and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith,
Yet will I gather others to him,
beside those that are gathered unto him.
- Isaiah 56:6-8 (Holy Bible)

 
I will just interject that God promised David a son to sit on the throne of Israel forever. Did He lie? I think not. Jesus will rule from the throne of Jerusalem for 1,000 years and then battle with satan once more and God will transfer His headquarters to Earth. namely Israel with a city that 1,500 miles wide and 1,500 long and 1,500 miles tall and we will dwell on Earth until God decides different. That we are not told.
 


Now let us look at some of the Scriptures which teach that there will be animal sacrifices during the Millennial Kingdom:



18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
24 And thou shalt offer them before the Lord, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the Lord.
25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord God. - Ezekiel 43:18-27 (Holy Bible)




ChosenbyHim you are absolutely right, all those things will be sacrificed during the millennium. The only thing that you missed is what the sacrifices actually are.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We as lively stones will be offering up spiritual sacrifices during the millennium. Spiritual sacrifices are not some "pie in the sky" spiritual mumbo jumbo, it is exactly what it says... spiritual or heavenly realm sacrifices. What does that mean? Every thing we see on this earth is a shadow of what's in heaven. The heavenly realm counterpart of an earthly serpent is the devil. I don't yet know what the spiritual equivalent of bullocks and goats are, but that is what we will be sacrificing during the millennium. I know that sounds weird, but that's exactly what 1 Peter 2:5 is talking about. Earthly realm animal sacrifices will not be re-instituted during the millennium. Remember those animal sacrifices were only a shadow of better things to come.
 
Hey, wait..............did I hear a ...............

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Quick..............QUICK! Look to the Eastern Sky..............

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Now let us look at some of the Scriptures
which teach that there will be
animal sacrifices during the Millennial Kingdom:


18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
24 And thou shalt offer them before the Lord, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the Lord.
25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord God. - Ezekiel 43:18-27 (Holy Bible)

Also the sons of the stranger,
that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him,
and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants,
every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it,
and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith,
Yet will I gather others to him,
beside those that are gathered unto him. - Isaiah 56:6-8 (Holy Bible)

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consistent illogical conclusion when humiliating Jesus Christ.


ChosenbyHim
you are absolutely right
,
all those things will be sacrificed
during the millennium.


The only thing that you missed
is what the sacrifices actually are.



1Pe 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones,
are built up a spiritual house,
an holy priesthood,
to offer up spiritual sacrifices,
acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


We as lively stones will be
offering up spiritual sacrifices

during the millennium.


Spiritual sacrifices are not some "pie in the sky" spiritual mumbo jumbo, it is exactly what it says... spiritual or heavenly realm sacrifices. What does that mean? Every thing we see on this earth is a shadow of what's in heaven. The heavenly realm counterpart of an earthly serpent is the devil. I don't yet know what the spiritual equivalent of bullocks and goats are, but that is what we will be sacrificing during the millennium. I know that sounds weird, but that's exactly what 1 Peter 2:5 is talking about. Earthly realm animal sacrifices will not be re-instituted during the millennium. Remember those animal sacrifices were only a shadow of better things to come.

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inevitable confusion when Truth is glimpsed
but mixed with error, resulting in inconsistent
illogical conclusion, humiliating Jesus Christ.

Church Age Gap Vacuum has no current spiritual house,
founded on the prophets and apostles with
Jesus Christ the Cornerstone.

no holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices
acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Church Age Gap Vacuum can not be Millennium.



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obvious Biblical conclusion which exhalts and does not humiliate Jesus Christ:

1Pe 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones,
are built up a spiritual house,
an holy priesthood,
to offer up spiritual sacrifices,
acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


We as lively stones;
an holy priesthood
DO offer up spiritual sacrifices
RIGHT NOW during the
A THOUSAND YEARS
(figurative number)
CURRENT AGE.


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pass it on.