Amillennialism

[Abiding]

Im working on a paper im gona call emotional eschatology.

 

[Muskokaman]

Im working on a paper im gona call emotional eschatology.

TEE HEE HEE

 

[zone]

And avoiding people like you does also, and that's the right thing to do.

'slams the door'

Doc is my best friend in the whole world, and he loves me.
he has been there for me day and night, and we have done lots of hard work and study together.
he loves Jesus His Saviour so much, sometimes the things he say about Him make me cry.
Doc keeps me reminded of the joy and peace we have in Jesus.
and he makes me laugh because he knows i need it.

you can speak to him that way if you want to. but you may not speak to him that way and slam the door on him and remain my friend.

I SLAM TO THE DOOR TO MY HEART SHUT IN YOUR FACE.

and lock it.

 

[DaivdM]

One Question.. u believe we are Israel.. Tell me them.. What tribe are you from?

 

[AnandaHya]

One Question.. u believe we are Israel.. Tell me them.. What tribe are you from?

Jesus Christ's'

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Spiritual seed for flesh shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of God

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[DaivdM]

Jesus Christ's'

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Spiritual seed for flesh shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of God

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

You know when the bible mention Abraham, He is talking about Faith right?
The father of the faith..
So what tribe are you from?

 

[AnandaHya]

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

WHO was the Promise of Abraham made? to the Seed or seeds? perhaps read the whole book of Galatians gain or at least chapter 3?

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.

Isaiah 65-66

Who did Zion birth?

Isaiah 66
7 “ Before she was in labor, she gave birth;
Before her pain came,
She delivered a male child.
8 Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.
9 Shall I bring to the time of birth, and not cause delivery?” says the LORD.

Revelations 12
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ


ONE tree of which JESUS is the ROOT of David. if they do not believe in JESUS then they have NO part in the Promise and Covenant of GOD. However there are both NATURAL (Jews) and Grafted (gentile) branches on the Tree of Life THROUGH Christ Jesus.

Unbelievers are CUT off from the life flowing waters but God is able to graft them back on if He so wills it.

You know when the Bible mentions Abraham, God is talking about MORE then just Faith, right?

If I was a gambling girl I would bet you hold to easy believism too....."its so much simpler"

 

[AnandaHya]

SEED of Promise = JESUS Christ

only if that SEED (the Holy Spirit) takes root in the Heart and bears good fruit will one be saved....

Luke 8:11
“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

John 8:37
“I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.

we could go into detail but that is not the topic of Zone's thread.... well we could link it to the continous building of Christ Kingdom NOW and His divine Kingdom that is NOT of this world, but anyways.....

do you think we can discuss this calming in a Christ like manner or you going to get emotional and mad and mean about it?

cuz if it is the latter I don't really have the time or motivation or patience today....

 

[Strangelove]

How did I miss this???


No, he isn't. God is God, Jesus Christ is the son of God, the second Adam.

Ahh here we have it.

I was wondering what huge basic principle of Christianity you denied. There it is.

 

[Strangelove]

None of these tribulations refer to the great tribulation that is coming upon the earth because they do not refer to a specific restricted event of tribulation that neither before or after has ever taken place. This specific tribulation comes from God and not from the world or its evil system.

Mt 24:21 For then shall (future tense, indicative mood) be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mk 13 :24 But in those days, after that tribulation (specific) , the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Your argument is baseless. How do you know the verses I posted arn't reffering to a "great" tribulation?

Wrath comes from God Redster.

Tribulation is something that man goes through. Christians especially.

Revelation says Christians are gonna have 10 days of tribulation.

Is that from God?

Are you ready for it?

I am.

If I'm deceived....I'll get ruptured before I have tribulations.

If you are deceived......your professed faith in Christ is gonna EVAPORATE.

 

[Strangelove]

Well Hagee would be wrong. It is not "no matter what" It is because they repented. Just like I did when I came to Christ. Just like you (at leasdt I hope you did I don't know ) did when you were saved. Salvation is the same from adam until today, and will be the same until this world is gone and the last judgment when there will be no more need of salvation. all eternal fates are sealed.

But of course you have to TWIST EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS.

I am literally getting quite sick of your refusal to see what I believe. Is your pride that thick??

Keep on continuing to PROVE you have utterly no clue what I believe.

You assert that ALL JEWS WILL REPENT. Its not an IF with you, you say they WILL coz you misapply scripture in your erroneous dispology.

That means you and Hagee are birds of a feather. You both repeat the mantra that all Israel (no knowing who Israel is) will be saved and therefore rip the Gospel away from the Jews and give them a hyper-calvinistic type mega ASSURANCE of salvation by way of "jewish" prophecy.

It is FALSE and you are a FALSE TEACHER. Everyone knows it...we've been trying to tell you but your ears are stuffed with cotton wool.

Of course they would, they are still in rejection. Thats why they have not been returned to their land

Your making less and less sense. how about 'jews' that HAVE HEARD THE GOSPEL AND BELIEVED?? Where do they stand in your wacky theology?

Is it even worth jews converting to Christianity NOW when you lump all 'jews' in this 'still in rejection' group?

I guess when 'jews' are FORCED to go to Israel that'll be prophecy fulfilled for you? What garbage. You are WAITING FOR EARTHLY THINGS to happen when you should have your eyes on the KINGDOM OF GOD which is not of this world. You dont preach the Kingdom come and the good news you preach CARNAL LUSTS. Your using a PERVERSION of the Gospel.

Your error ridden twaddle sickens me to the bone.

No its not. And your not going to force it to be one. It might be for others. But it is not for me. No matter how much you so badly want it to be.

You are a vessel to turn salvation from the jews. You should be ashamed of yourself. Do you hate the jews so much that even after being shown your gross error you still rip away the Gospel from that unfortunate group?

I'm so glad I didnt run into the likes of you or Hagee when I was in that group. I prolly woulda forgot about Jesus and stuck with MY FLESH!

UGHHHH!!!

You still don't even know what I believe. so you still don't know anyone like me!

I have met many like you though. Blind. Think they know everything. Continues to refuse to listen to what anyone says. Continues to say they believe something they do not, nor have ever believed. even when they have been proven wrong. It is called being churched. For a man who claims he has never set foot in a church (A sin by the way) You sure are very churched!

And don't give me this "I meet with people" stuff. If you are meeting in a gathering which is for Christ, IT IS CALLED CHURCH!

Your a Christion Zionist. I know who you are. Except your a really bad and confused one, coz you keep holding off on idolysing the 'jews'. your getting close though. Nearly there.

It's true I've never been in a church building. So no I'm certainly not churhed. My theology comes straight from scripture and casual fellowship. No MOB PRESSURE like you have been indoctrinated with.

And dont try the absurd accusation that not going to a church building is a sin. When you meet together with Christians it is called FELLOWSHIP....the CHURCH is the invisible Body of Christ.

But you'd like me to join a big megachurch like yours wouldn't you...so I can be brainwashed with unsound dispology and stop being so pesky fighting your erroneous doctrine.

Sorry gratefull (sic).....we are safe in the wilderness. You stay in the WORLD if you feel safe there. But it doesnt make you right on your doctrine. Not even close.

 

[Strangelove]

because the earth is still here, as is the land of canaan. Thus the promise and covenant still stand.

Are isreal in their land today living in peace?

If they are, they have repented. if not. they are still in sin, and suffering the punishment of lev 26

I don't need to know who they are. I know they are not in their land in peace yet. so they are still in rejection of lev 26

LOLZ!

If you dont know WHO THEY ARE how do you know where they are of if they have peace in their heart????

ABSURD!!

 

[Strangelove]

No I don.t especially when all the stuff gabriel said would happen after the 69th week could not possibly have taken place in 7 years.

The church was a mystery. No one knew. even satan, God kept it that way for a reason.
Try studying the OT for a chance with your blinders off. You will see how amazing God kept his secret. and used this to have the very one who called him a God of hate and unloving to prove what a liar he was. Why do you think God kept the idenity of the messiah and suffering servant hidden. so NO ONE knew they were one and the same?

Do you think satan would have allowed Christ to be crucified knowing it was the very act that proved satan to be a liar??

so does it suprise me when God left things hidden, like this. so no one would get it? (Even his disciples did not GET IT) No

you still don't GET IT

No YOU still dont get it. The mystery is the CHURCH with no seperation of JEW AND GENTILE.

Daniel is beautifully and totally fulfilled.

The prophets prophesied UNTIL JOHN and the Apostles were a WITNESS to the completion of all OT prophecies that pointed to the KING Jesus Christ.

But you dont like Jesus the King do you?

He's not King in His Kingdom NOW is He? He's in some kinda FUTURE EARTHLY dispy kingdom which will be ruled by FORCE in a communistic fashion. Ruled by a FAKE messiah using freemasonry and noahide law.

They are working a play on you. The FALSE Son of perdition will be the pope you HATE so much...and the guy that saves you from him will be the REAL FALSE MESSIAH the Son of Perdition. They got you in a classic double layered deception.

Wake up man. Your fading fast.

 

[Strangelove]

Where do WE have anything to do with ME Zone?

I was not promised a name
I was not promised a city
I was not promised a country
I was not given a law that said I will be driven from my land and my sanctuary destroyed if I do not heed the law of moses.

Nothing of what you posted has to do with me. It has to do with DANIELS PEOPLE

Has all prophesy been fulfilled?? Don't we have some future events to go through?? which has been prophesied?? I guess prophesy has not yet been sealed up then has it??

There is no more OT prophecy left. It all pointed to redemption and salvation in CHRIST.

Even Jesus said the prophets prophesied until John and the apostles were a witness to these things that they talked of.

But you dont believe your king. Coz He's not your king.

This has nothing to do with you?

to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Strangelove]

lol. Your just laughable.

Why do you wish to force this to mean salvation?

Was adam saved differently that you?? If he was. then we are both wrong!

It's got nothing to do with HOW we are saved. It's got to do with you deceiving people and ripping the Gospel away from the 'jews'. This makes you a vessel that helps take salvation away from people. If God wills it you will continue with your task.

Maybe if he opens your ears you will listen to those of us who say you are in grave ERROR and you can help us fight the heresy of dispyness.

I will keep speaking the truth and leave it in His hands.

 

[Strangelove]

as long as you got this. If you don't understand this. especially the highlighted parts. you do not know what I believe. And you would also see we would be fighting the same people who are teaching a lie. Our difference is time. thats all. we have the same gospel. There are others who teach a difference based on different gospels for each time period. this is a lie from hell

You are helping to propogate that lie with your dispology. Regardless of your thoughts on how people are saved. And also you are leading people into deception.

Its a different Gospel.

 

[Strangelove]

Christ is coming for His church before any great tribulation comes upon the earth. That is the mercy and goodness of God that has been extended to the church as a promise from God. That promise can not be altered or taken from us with your 'amillennial view' and any of the contrived intellectualism that accompanies that view. Zone is dead wrong and all her articles can not alter that which has come forth from the mouth of God. The rapture of the church and the Second Coming of Christ are two separate events. One takes the church away and the other brings the church back to the earth.

There is absolutely no chance of this not happening and won't you be surprised when it does. Zone won't be able to intellectualize and whip out her articles from all these great men she admires to give an explanation because none can be given. There is no fear, only love, hope, faith and expectation. With that we can comfort one another as we look for the mercy of the Lord and wait for His coming in the clouds of the air where the dead in Christ shall rise first and those that remain alive will be caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Christ ascended and so shall we before any great tribulation comes to the earth.

Gods eternal promise is EVERLASTING life.

Nothing at all to do with safety in this flesh body. In fact scripture states we are to be heavily PERSECUTED for our witness.

Christ is coming and will ressurect the wicked AND the sheep at the same time. On the last day. The wheat and the tares are kept together till the end.

The mercy of God is not for the FLESH but for the SPIRIT.

Eternity with God is what I'm looking forward to.

To go through ANY tribulation even a 'great' one, for my witness of Christ will be AN HONOR.

If I'm deceived....I'll get ruptured before I have tribulations.

If you are deceived......your professed faith in Christ is gonna EVAPORATE.

 

[Abiding]

Christ is coming for His church before any great tribulation comes upon the earth. That is the mercy and goodness of God that has been extended to the church as a promise from God. That promise can not be altered or taken from us with your 'amillennial view' and any of the contrived intellectualism that accompanies that view. Zone is dead wrong and all her articles can not alter that which has come forth from the mouth of God. The rapture of the church and the Second Coming of Christ are two separate events. One takes the church away and the other brings the church back to the earth.

There is absolutely no chance of this not happening and won't you be surprised when it does. Zone won't be able to intellectualize and whip out her articles from all these great men she admires to give an explanation because none can be given. There is no fear, only love, hope, faith and expectation. With that we can comfort one another as we look for the mercy of the Lord and wait for His coming in the clouds of the air where the dead in Christ shall rise first and those that remain alive will be caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Christ ascended and so shall we before any great tribulation comes to the earth.

HEY RED!WHO AM I TO GIVE U ADVISE?

 

[Abiding]

And avoiding people like you does also, and that's the right thing to do.

'slams the door'

HEY RED oh nevermind.

 

[Red33]

HEY RED oh nevermind.

You got my attention, don't back down now! See you on the rebound.