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Publican said:
I've never met a Muslim who hated Christ, or a Sikh or even a Hindu.
I've met a few Muslims who hated Jews, can't imagine why. But the Jewish hatred of Christ is well documented. They repeatedly sought to kill Him and eventually handed Him over to Pilate for crucification, "His blood be on us and on our children", is that not what they said?

Most modern Jews do not follow the Torah, but the Babylonian Talmud. Go read for yourself what they think of our Savior, the Messiah they rejected. The Talmud states that Jesus is burning in excrement in hell. Go read it for yourself. Jewish hatred of Christ and His followers is well documented. But were I to post that documentation here, it would be mostly ignored and I would be accused of anti whatever and hatred etc. I'll pass thanks.
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the free choice is for us all each personally between God Father and Son as risen where new life as. born new is at from Father for me at least to see in love and mercy to all, that is all folks for me at least. seeing it is God's love that overcame evil once for us all at the cross by his resurrection as proof from Father
Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Either one believe es God in this truth or not, that is all that is left after that cross, thanks at least to me
 
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Godsgood said:
We all know that the meaning of Christ is Savior.

Let us humble ourselves and let God reconcile these verses.

Kindly read these verses below repeatedly and share what do you understand or what is the revelation of God to you.
According to God there must be One Savior alone.
How many Christ or Savior in these verses?

MATTHEW 16:17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST , the Son of the living God --- JESUS CHRIST

ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no SAVIOUR. ------------------ GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC & JACOB (GOD THE FATHER)
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Let us not forget that, Peter recognized Jesus through God The Father's Revelation or it was a Miracle.

In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.

Who can reconcile these verses but only God through his words because THE WORD WAS GOD (JOHN 1:1)

According to God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call him God The Father he made a covenant or testament.
And God called it as AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
The purpose is TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, & TO THY SEED AFTER THEE (Between God and His People only).
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Therefore whoever covered in this covenant or testament is a people of God.
But those who are not covered are not a people of God.

In relation with the Covenant or Testament, Jesus taught this to Paul. and Paul wrote it down.
The One who made the testament must die or else the testament he made is nothing.

HEBREWS 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

God the Father who made the Testament must die.
But God the Father is a Spirit God.

How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?

But God through his words (John 1:1) can reveal to us what is next.





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Godsgood said:
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Let us not forget that, Peter recognized Jesus through God The Father's Revelation or it was a Miracle.

In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.

Who can reconcile these verses but only God through his words because THE WORD WAS GOD (JOHN 1:1)

According to God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call him God The Father he made a covenant or testament.
And God called it as AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
The purpose is TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, & TO THY SEED AFTER THEE (Between God and His People only).
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Therefore whoever covered in this covenant or testament is a people of God.
But those who are not covered are not a people of God.

In relation with the Covenant or Testament, Jesus taught this to Paul. and Paul wrote it down.
The One who made the testament must die or else the testament he made is nothing.

HEBREWS 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

God the Father who made the Testament must die.
But God the Father is a Spirit God.

How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?

But God through his words (John 1:1) can reveal to us what is next.





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you may enjoy the Christ is God omnibus thread :)
 
posthuman

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Godsgood said:
In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.
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no, there is only one Savior, the Lord God.
the scripture is that which testifies of Him - see John 5:39
 
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Godsgood said:
1 JOHN 4:2-3

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
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If you were to use your words and explain what this is saying , for instance “ what does it mean by “ Jesus Christ is come in the flesh ?”

i think a lot of times we interpret what’s there differently I’m wondering how you would interpret the scripture there ?
 
homwardbound

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Godsgood said:
How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?
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Only God can in, God's Holy Spirit given free of charge ever, to each of God's, each have their own personal relationship of Love and mercy given them to give the same to all as is done for all once for all, completed in the risen Son for us to be new, as called by Father to us all at least me, thank you
 
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Godsgood said:
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Let us not forget that, Peter recognized Jesus through God The Father's Revelation or it was a Miracle.

In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.

Who can reconcile these verses but only God through his words because THE WORD WAS GOD (JOHN 1:1)

According to God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call him God The Father he made a covenant or testament.
And God called it as AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
The purpose is TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, & TO THY SEED AFTER THEE (Between God and His People only).
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Therefore whoever covered in this covenant or testament is a people of God.
But those who are not covered are not a people of God.

In relation with the Covenant or Testament, Jesus taught this to Paul. and Paul wrote it down.
The One who made the testament must die or else the testament he made is nothing.

HEBREWS 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

God the Father who made the Testament must die.
But God the Father is a Spirit God.

How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?

But God through his words (John 1:1) can reveal to us what is next.

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Since The WORD was GOD. And God would reveal the truth through his words.
Now I'm just connecting the words of God for the ONE SAVIOR alone.

ISAIAH 43:10-11 God The Father claimed that he is only the Savior and No One Else.

GEN 17:7 God the Father made a Covenant or Testament.

HEBREWS 9:16-17 God the father must die himself to fulfill his testament.

God the Father is a Spirit God and Can't Die.

So God The Father can die, this is what he did according to him.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV 1611 only)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

According to Paul. No need for a debate, because nothing is controversy. There is no impossible with God.
Yes the Spirit God became Flesh.

Isaiah 43:10-11 God The Father is the Saviors Alone.
Matthew 16:16-17 God the Father revealed to Peter that Jesus is the Christ means Savior.
From these verses it seems there is really One Savior.

God through is words this is his revelation.

God the Father pointing someone and he says I AM HE. We should believe in what God The Father said.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


Then The Lord Jesus Christ pointing someone and at the same time he gave a warning For those will not believe him.
JOHN 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
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With the revelation of God to Peter. Now it is clear why the recognition of Peter to Jesus required a miracle from the Father.
Peter recognized Jesus as the God of Abraham who speak in Isaiah 43:10-11 who come in the Flesh to Fulfill His Testament. According to God the Father He is only the Savior and No One Else.

Let us read again what Simon Peter said to Jesus.

MATTHEW 16:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
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With the revelation of God to Peter. Now it is clear why the recognition of Peter to Jesus required a miracle from the Father.
Peter recognized Jesus as the God of Abraham who speak in Isaiah 43:10-11 who come in the Flesh to Fulfill His Testament. According to God the Father He is only the Savior and No One Else.

Let us read again what Simon Peter said to Jesus.

MATTHEW 16:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
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Here is another evidence of God that Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham who made a testament and to fulfill it by his own death.
This is when Jesus was dying in the cross. But before he died he said the word IT IS FINISH.
Isn't it Jesus is referring to the testament that it is already fulfilled because anytime he will die.
JOHN 19:13
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

God revealed to us that Jesus came in the Flesh is the God of Abraham himself to fulfill the testament in his own death.

There is another question to raise.
How come there are several times we can read Jesus Christ is talking to his Father (God of Abraham) if Jesus is God The Father?

When Simon Peter said the Jesus you are The Christ, but Peter also said You Are The Son of The Living God?
 
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