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As long as our obedience is coming from loving the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind and strength...it's right eous.
But, if it's because of "we must" which is law? I would think the Lord is grieved much.
As long as our obedience is coming from loving the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind and strength...it's right eous.
But, if it's because of "we must" which is law? I would think the Lord is grieved much.
As long as our obedience is coming from loving the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind and strength...it's right eous.
But, if it's because of "we must" which is law? I would think the Lord is grieved much.
Once you understand you are completely accepted and sin free forever in Jesus in your inner man created in righteousness and holiness - and that this is your permanent state for all eternity in Christ - the behavioral issues will fall off of our lives like dead leaves.
but doesnt john say if we say we have no sin we lie???? or what do you mean please
John does say "If we say we have no sin - we lie." John is addressing those that say they have no sin. All people still have sin in the flesh. The inner man in Christ - the new creation - does not sin nor can sin but we can give in to the deeds of the body.
Romans 7:16-23 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
John was also addressing in 1 John 1 gnostic beliefs - They were the beginning of a sect called the Gnostics who believed that they had no sin and thus didn't need Christ.
John does say "If we say we have no sin - we lie." John is addressing those that say they have no sin. All people still have sin in the flesh. The inner man in Christ - the new creation - does not sin nor can sin but we can give in to the deeds of the body.
Romans 7:16-23 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
John was also addressing in 1 John 1 gnostic beliefs - They were the beginning of a sect called the Gnostics who believed that they had no sin and thus didn't need Christ.
you are saying we sin in the flesh but not in the spirit...... im scared of this doctrine as appealing as it sounds because like skinsi said i read on wikipedia that gnostics believed in this separation. can you show this from the bible that they are separate and i can believe this
you all make so good points i dont know what to believe its all backed up by scriptures!!!!!! im confused
i agree with mr grace skinsi and chris lol
Good. Read the plain word of God for yourself. No need to do any fancy acrobatics, to force-fit any of man's doctrines or pre-conceived ideas.
Be Bold. Read it. Believe it. If you don't understand it initially, that's ok. You will grow. Make a decision today to believe the word of God as you see it. And the Holy Spirit will reveal this truth to you. Maybe immediately, or in due course of time.
Whatever you do, don't twist scripture or try make it say something else. That is a dangerous path, and you will be led astray.
All the best in your journey.
And DOES them...
That is absolutely correct.
But there is a bit of a problem with peoples understanding of HOW they are done.
They are done by the Work of God and not our own CARNAL work and CARNAL understanding.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Have you found out yet that you can't do them by yourself???
Good, that's the way its supposed to be...
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law (The requirement of our work) was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
I put that in parentheses, its not really in that verse, but I thought it might help...