And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
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Saved carnal Christians. Wow. Fancy that.
So much for the bogus dogma that the Calvinists falsely attribute to this passage huh?
[Rom 8:7 NKJV] 7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Quick somebody inform @Rufus and @Magenta that the have been duped into joining the Calvinistic doomer club....
Nah forget it. Rather than a course correction they will end up in the weeds as usual. Too far gone....
Saved carnal Christians. Wow. Fancy that.
So much for the bogus dogma that the Calvinists falsely attribute to this passage huh?
[Rom 8:7 NKJV] 7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Quick somebody inform @Rufus and @Magenta that the have been duped into joining the Calvinistic doomer club....
Nah forget it. Rather than a course correction they will end up in the weeds as usual. Too far gone....
I like this post.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The carnal Christian which is a contradiction in terms do not allow the Spirit to lead them and love sin more than God and never come to the truth.
They were not even saved when they first confessed Christ for Jesus never knew them not even for a minute.
They did not have the right perspective of repentance which their denomination taught.
If we sin we repent and not want it and allow the Spirit to lead us.
But they sin on purpose and hold on to sin and believe they are saved and cannot fall away.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
But the blood of Christ never washes away their sins.
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Blue155
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Did Paul recognize those to who he was writing to in 1 Corinthians 3 as brethren?
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
One might even see denominations as indicative of carnality.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
One might even see denominations as indicative of carnality.
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Blue155
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Predestined = "to (yet future ) obtain a thing".
[Eph 1:11 KJV]
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated G4309 (to obtain it) according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated (the FUTURE REALIZATION yet to be revealed!) according to the purpose of him (this INHERITANCE a part of the plan of God from eternity past!) who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
These "THINGS" are predestined for us":
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God has chosen ***THESE THINGS, namely*** blamelessness, conformation to His image, justification, adoption, obtaining an inheritance and glory ***FOR those*** who WILL believe, those who WILL CHOOSE to enter the covenant.
That's the gist of προορίζω proorizó, SG4309 .
And this term NEVER, EVER pertains to anything about God choosing any individual FOR SALVATION whatsoever and certainly nothing about "pre-birth Calvinistic selection" either.
The common error of mis-juggling the sequence and priority of terms and subjects and objects when presenting a thesis on "predestination" is really the problem.
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he G4309 also did predestinate G4309 to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, G4309 them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated G4309 us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated G4309 according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
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Act 4:28
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before G4309 to be done.
(The cross, planned from before time, but by then had already arrived at the "destination/realization").
1Co 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained G4309 before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
(The cross, planned from before time, but by then had already arrived at the "destination/realization").
[Eph 1:11 KJV]
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated G4309 (to obtain it) according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated (the FUTURE REALIZATION yet to be revealed!) according to the purpose of him (this INHERITANCE a part of the plan of God from eternity past!) who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
These "THINGS" are predestined for us":
***************************************************************************
God has chosen ***THESE THINGS, namely*** blamelessness, conformation to His image, justification, adoption, obtaining an inheritance and glory ***FOR those*** who WILL believe, those who WILL CHOOSE to enter the covenant.
That's the gist of προορίζω proorizó, SG4309 .
And this term NEVER, EVER pertains to anything about God choosing any individual FOR SALVATION whatsoever and certainly nothing about "pre-birth Calvinistic selection" either.
The common error of mis-juggling the sequence and priority of terms and subjects and objects when presenting a thesis on "predestination" is really the problem.
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he G4309 also did predestinate G4309 to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, G4309 them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated G4309 us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated G4309 according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
******************************************************************************************************
Act 4:28
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before G4309 to be done.
(The cross, planned from before time, but by then had already arrived at the "destination/realization").
1Co 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained G4309 before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
(The cross, planned from before time, but by then had already arrived at the "destination/realization").
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Blue155
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@cv5, Paul recognized the brethren at the church of Corinth as carnal. What if they stayed carnal? Would they have been said to be “never Christians in the first place”? 
If they were “never Christians to begin with” then that would mean Paul had lost alien sinners told this to them and considered them as “sanctified in Christ Jesus”, “made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption”, “That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God”, “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”, “We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised”, “ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God”, “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit”, etc etc
If they were “never Christians to begin with” then that would mean Paul had lost alien sinners told this to them and considered them as “sanctified in Christ Jesus”, “made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption”, “That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God”, “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”, “We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised”, “ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God”, “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit”, etc etc
@cv5, Paul recognized the brethren at the church of Corinth as carnal. What if they stayed carnal? Would they have been said to be “never Christians in the first place”?
If they were “never Christians to begin with” then that would mean Paul had lost alien sinners told this to them and considered them as “sanctified in Christ Jesus”, “made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption”, “That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God”, “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”, “We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised”, “ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God”, “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit”, etc etc
Hi cv5, as a matter of fact, they're called "carnal Christian."
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