Applying God's Word to Politics

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Yes, and harmonize that verse with Matt. 6:10, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
Read all of the Word. Our Father is not being asked to establish any existing country on this earth for this age is allied to decay. Now. this is all I need to contribute more.
Yes! Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. No country on earth may achieve this, only when the New Jerusalem is brought down by God.
 
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Read all of the Word. Our Father is not being asked to establish any existing country on this earth for this age is allied to decay. Now. this is all I need to contribute more.
Yes! Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. No country on earth may achieve this, only when the New Jerusalem is brought down by God.

Yes, no saint and no country attain perfection on earth, so we are only responsible for "pressing on toward the goal" (Phil. 3:12-14).
IOW, being part of God's solution instead of Satan's problem, which IMO means voting for MAGA in the midterm elections.
 
Yes, no saint and no country attain perfection on earth, so we are only responsible for "pressing on toward the goal" (Phil. 3:12-14).
IOW, being part of God's solution instead of Satan's problem, which IMO means voting for MAGA in the midterm elections.
This is Bible discussion, not a representative of any political movement.
 
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Scripture should not be divorced from life but instead applied to politics.

So Christians should build a massive military and take over the world and force everyone to convert to Christianity of they'll be killed, right?

The catholics and the reformed cults tried that already and God didn't back them in their efforts.

Real life should reflect scripture teaching.

So you support killing or jailing all in the world that refuse to follow Christianity then?
 
So Christians should build a massive military and take over the world and force everyone to convert to Christianity of they'll be killed, right?

The catholics and the reformed cults tried that already and God didn't back them in their efforts.



So you support killing or jailing all in the world that refuse to follow Christianity then?

So we should have left Hitler to take over the world?
 
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So we should have left Hitler to take over the world?

Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.

Stopping hitler is a far cry from taking over the entire world as some claiming to be Christians are called for in times past

Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world so he's not taken control as of yet (Hebrews 2:8)
That comes later and is only something He does when He returns.

If you want to follow the so called Seven Mountain Mandate some are following go ahead.
It does not result in Christians taking over the entire world.

The one world government and the anti-christ are about to take over and Christians are not going to stop it.
 
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Agree.
Real life should reflect scripture teaching.
And since scripture tells us to welcome the foreigner/refugee how does one reconcile the massive immigration crackdown with scripture. Scripture tells us to support the widows and orphans how does one reconcile that with cutting social services including Medicaid? Scripture tells us to not lay up treasures on earth how does one reconcile that with Trump's extravagant ballroom plans and other monuments to Trump?

Note I am not saying that the Democrats are much better, if at all, I am just pointing out some of the more obvious contradictions to scriptural commands that MAGA often supports. And laying the charge of atheistic Marxism at the feet of the Democrats is ignoring that Trump claims to be friends with three dedicated atheistic Socialist/Marxists, Putin, Ji and Jong Un. Too vigorous support for the Democrats would prompt a similar challenge from me. Pick which group you will support, but do not claim that either group is "more Christian". Politics is a messy game and rarely, if ever, can be truly allied with Christianity, the desired ends are far too different.
 
So Christians should build a massive military and take over the world and force everyone to convert to Christianity of they'll be killed, right?

The catholics and the reformed cults tried that already and God didn't back them in their efforts.



So you support killing or jailing all in the world that refuse to follow Christianity then?

I shared my idea of just war in #1,515, but here it is again:

War and Capital Punishment

We are saved by faith (EPH 2:8-9), but God’s grace is not cheap, so genuine saving faith IS followed by good works (EPH 2:10, cf. JM 2:17). By cooperating with God’s Word = Holy Spirit (PHP 2:13) and rejecting evil desires (2TM 2:22), we can be a “good soldier of Christ Jesus” (2TM 2:3), spiritually trained and “equipped for every good work” (2TM 3:17). Speaking of being a soldier and good works leads us to address the following question: Is military soldiering a good work? Can we be both a good soldier of Christ and a military soldier?

The Bible does not condemn any occupation other than prostitution, and notice that Paul here (and Jesus in MT 8:5-13) spoke of soldiering without condemning it, and such silence speaks volumes! This silence leaves us with the freedom and consequent responsibility to evaluate vocations including soldiering. The most relevant scriptural references are RM 13:1-5 and 1PT 2:13-14. Pacifists cite Jesus’ command to turn the other cheek (in MT 5:39) and Paul’s instruction to overcome evil with good rather than seek revenge (in RM 12:17-21) as implying that policing and soldiering are wrong, but these passages refer to personal relationships rather than to governmental enforcement of criminal laws.

In the Romans passage, verses 3&4 are the key ones: “Rulers hold no terror [imprisonment or execution—a very contemporary term!] for those who do right, but for those who do wrong… the one in authority… is God’s servant to do you good [this eliminates rulers such as Hitler, Stalin and Saddam Hussein]. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword [means to kill] for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer [murderer, terrorist].” (By the way, “God’s servant” is what the word “Muslim” means.)

Similarly, 1PT 2:14 says that governors “are sent by [God] to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.” This truth applies not only to police forces in cities and states but also to soldiers in national governments, implying that (more godly, though imperfect) nations should punish evil tyrants and terrorists.

Thus, soldiers who serve God’s will to fight in righteous or justified wars to defeat murderers are agents of His wrath (Muslims). Let us note that wrath does not mean a hateful fit of rage, but rather the loving action of righteous anger, such as that displayed by Jesus when he cleared the temple of money-changers (in MT 21:12-13). God’s wrath metes out the just or appropriate consequence for those who choose to behave evilly and hatefully. Thus, any killing or other violent actions we do should be motivated by love: love for God, for divine justice and for the victims of demonic injustice.

We wage war on three levels. Within our own hearts we seek to let God’s love and wisdom overcome temptations to be selfish and foolish (RM 7:23, 2CR 10:3-5, 1PT 2:11). On an interpersonal level, we must bear with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity and peace of the Holy Spirit (EPH 4:2-3) rather than be deceived by lies and attempts of the ungodly spirit to divide and conquer us (1CR 3:3, 2CR 12:20, GL 5:20). And on a corporate level, we must cooperate and enforce just laws, so that murderers are not allowed to destroy more righteous, though imperfect, people (EX 21:12, 21:23).

Because the Bible contains detailed instructions regarding the punishment of crimes such as murder, it is logical to assume that it would contain a commandment and specific teachings against war if pacifism were correct, but it does not. The OT principle of “life for life” (EX 21:24) indicates that murder is the capital crime for which execution is just, although the NT teaching about forgiveness for minor crimes (TOJ #29 & #36) implies that a society may grant even violent criminals a chance to hear the gospel, repent and be rehabilitated. Some say that capital punishment risks unjust executions, but this concern needs to be balanced with ensuring that a penal system does not encourage unjust murders. (See the essay on Criminal Justice.)

The justification of capital punishment can be applied on an international scale. Godly or civilized nations must cooperate and enforce just laws so that demonic souls like Hitler and Stalin are not allowed to conquer or destroy more righteous, though imperfect, governments. (See TOJ #30.) We have a responsibility as ministers of God and disciples of Christ to share the gospel with people in all nations (MT 28:19) and thereby help them to acquire their God-given rights to life (JN 10:10), liberty (JN 8:32&36) and the pursuit of happiness (JN 15:11). To the extent we are able, we should prevent murder and stop murderous dictators from killing and enslaving people (JM 4:17). As the world’s super-power, may God grant our leaders the courage to use this power with wisdom to show divine love (RM 5:8) for the poor and enslaved by defeating ungodly regimes (TOJ #45&129, RM 14:19).

As we contemplate the deaths of our soldiers and the sorrow of their families during times of military war, may it remind us of the great sacrifices that have been made by those who have gone before us in order to preserve the blessings of freedom for our country and humanity. And may their sacrifice remind us of the sacrifice of Christ (PHP 2:8), whose death one day will free us from the sinful nature that does evil and necessitates war against extremely evildoers, so that there will be “no more death or mourning or crying or pain” (RV 21:4). This recreation of the world is the meaning of Easter, and indeed the reason for the creation of the present universe in the beginning of time. May it begin in our hearts and be evidenced by our lives, to the glory of God.

One way to show divine love is by forgiving people who do wrong (MT 5:39). Another way is by teaching people not to do wrong (HB 12:5-6&11). And a third way is by imposing just consequences for doing wrong. For those who hurt people, confinement may be necessary, and for murderers execution is deserved (RM 13:4), although a society may decide that circumstances warrant extended confinement instead or even efforts to reform them.

The problem is deciding which type of love to apply to various situations, because we should have learned from the attempts by European nations to appease Hitler in the 1930s that war may become necessary, so resisting evil sooner may be less tragic and destructive of life than waiting until it becomes more widespread. By the grace of God the United States was able to acquire the atom bomb before Germany and Japan, but it may not have been necessary to lose so many lives in the invasion of Normandy and in the bombing of Japan if Europe had stopped Hitler before he became powerful and allied with Japan.

The lesson of Hitler’s Holocaust against the Jews and Christians is that evil is real, and that we all have the potential to be as horrible as Hitler, although we may battle the tendency toward hatred and selfishness in our own souls (RM 7:22-23). The death of relatively innocent people who are killed by terrorists continues to remind us of our mortality and our need for God’s goodness and resurrection power as well as of the vital responsibility that comes with our human moral capacity and free will. Paul wrote that we should “make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification” (RM 14:19, cf. EPH 4:29). Edification means constructing moral character in those who want to be servants of God (“Muslims”). Thus, we should embrace rather than reject the opportunity of nation building.

How does this jibe with your opinion, SJ?
 
I shared my idea of just war

Well then, can I assume you and your reformed buddies are buying up guns, ammo, and military weapons in preparation to take over the entire world by force and and make people convert to Christianity under threat of death and kill them if they refuse?

I mean this is what your "holy spirit" is leading you to do right?

How does this jibe with your opinion, SJ?

I've been bought with a price and I am not my own and as such I have died to my own opinions and instead have taken the Mind of Christ which does not teach that it's God's will for Christians to build a massive army and take over the world by force.

You and your reformed buddies are making the same mistake the Jews did which lead them to reject Jesus all because Jesus did not rise up and take over the world during His first visit.

He came as a suffering servant the first time and only when He returns the second time to set up His 1000 Year kingdom will we see Him come forth as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and assume power and authority over the entire world.

Hebrews 2:8 tells us all things are not put under Him as of yet. But if you and your reformed buddies and your catholic buddies all want to build an army and try to take over the world which you will attempt without the authorization or anointing of the Lord, well let's just say I got my popcorn ready!

Be sure and let us know when you and your buddies kick off the festivities.
The trials will be short before you fellas are sent to prison for the rest of your lives.

This should all be quite entertaining. Arte you all planning to live stream your take over?
 
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Well then, can I assume you and your reformed buddies are buying up guns, ammo, and military weapons in preparation to take over the entire world by force and and make people convert to Christianity under threat of death and kill them if they refuse?

I mean this is what your "holy spirit" is leading you to do right?

I've been bought with a price and I am not my own and as such I have died to my own opinions and instead have taken the Mind of Christ which does not teach that it's God's will for Christians to build a massive army and take over the world by force.

You and your reformed buddies are making the same mistake the Jews did which lead them to reject Jesus all because Jesus did not rise up and take over the world during His first visit.

He came as a suffering servant the first time and only when He returns the second time to set up His 1000 Year kingdom will we see Him come forth as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and assume power and authority over the entire world.

Hebrews 2:8 tells us all things are not put under Him as of yet. But if you and your reformed buddies and your catholic buddies all want to build an army and try to take over the world which you will attempt without the authorization or anointing of the Lord, well let's just say I got my popcorn ready!

Be sure and let us know when you and your buddies kick off the festivities.
The trials will be short before you fellas are sent to prison for the rest of your lives.

This should all be quite entertaining. Arte you all planning to live stream your take over?

No need to assume, because I have shared what I believe.
I understand that you despise the blessings God has provided via the sacrifice of soldiers preventing the demonic world from enslaving and killing you by force.
Jesus came to sacrifice himself for our eternal life, but he never condemned the righteous use of military, and Paul commended it (Rom 13:1-5).
How hypocritical of you to enjoy the fruits of a free country (including popcorn), taking a free ride at the expense of others!
And we know what Jesus thought of hypocrites!
 
I understand that you despise the blessings God has provided via the sacrifice of soldiers preventing the demonic world from enslaving and killing you by force.

Big difference between civil government that the Lord has set up verse what you are talking about trying to take over the world for Jesus

Do you believe the Lord is delaying His return until you fellas take over the world?
That's the whole kingdom now cult thing that some cult figures have been trying to get started up.

And we know what Jesus thought of hypocrites!

Which is of course why you and your buddies will fail in your quest to take over the world for Jesus.

Ya'll ain't nothing but a bunch of carnal minded hypocrites
 
Big difference between civil government that the Lord has set up verse what you are talking about trying to take over the world for Jesus

Do you believe the Lord is delaying His return until you fellas take over the world?
That's the whole kingdom now cult thing that some cult figures have been trying to get started up.



Which is of course why you and your buddies will fail in your quest to take over the world for Jesus.

Ya'll ain't nothing but a bunch of carnal minded hypocrites
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And since scripture tells us to welcome the foreigner/refugee how does one reconcile the massive immigration crackdown with scripture. Scripture tells us to support the widows and orphans how does one reconcile that with cutting social services including Medicaid? Scripture tells us to not lay up treasures on earth how does one reconcile that with Trump's extravagant ballroom plans and other monuments to Trump?

Note I am not saying that the Democrats are much better, if at all, I am just pointing out some of the more obvious contradictions to scriptural commands that MAGA often supports. And laying the charge of atheistic Marxism at the feet of the Democrats is ignoring that Trump claims to be friends with three dedicated atheistic Socialist/Marxists, Putin, Ji and Jong Un. Too vigorous support for the Democrats would prompt a similar challenge from me. Pick which group you will support, but do not claim that either group is "more Christian". Politics is a messy game and rarely, if ever, can be truly allied with Christianity, the desired ends are far too different.

IMO Trump's methods are common sense. Why would it be smart to antagonize nuclear-armed enemies?
The Dems on the other hand are unabashed Marxists with non-Christian values (except for Fetterman), which is much worse!
For anyone paying attention, it is obvious that MAGA is made up mostly of Christians, although a demon killed Kirk.
 
Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.

What has that to do with what I asked?


Stopping hitler is a far cry from taking over the entire world as some claiming to be Christians are called for in times past

I don't know, I'd rather Christians take over the world than Islam. True Christianity. That won't happen till Christ returns, but we don't need to sit down and not keep Communism and the like out of America or wherever you live.



Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world so he's not taken control as of yet (Hebrews 2:8)
That comes later and is only something He does when He returns.

Right, but we have to defend our freedoms or we will lose them. that means getting political.



If you want to follow the so called Seven Mountain Mandate some are following go ahead.
Never heard of it. Could care less about it. We are not of this world but we are still in it. I don't think God meant for us to sit on our hands and say "whatever will be will be".

The one world government and the anti-christ are about to take over and Christians are not going to stop it.

Nobody said we were. AI is here to stay and people need to get a grip. But again, that doesn't mean we just let everything go to hell and look the other way either.
 
IMO Trump's methods are common sense. Why would it be smart to antagonize nuclear-armed enemies?
The Dems on the other hand are unabashed Marxists with non-Christian values (except for Fetterman), which is much worse!
For anyone paying attention, it is obvious that MAGA is made up mostly of Christians, although a demon killed Kirk.
MAGA might have a lot of conservative Christians, but there are many more Christians than just conservatives. And how many times does one have to prevent single country from gaining nuclear weapons? Remember, before Trum pulled the USA out of the Iran deal, because he could do better, Iran was blocked from developing nuclear weapons and had Russia, China, Germany, France and Great Brittain standing with the USA to prevent their gaining any. Now, several deaths, over $30,000.000,000 and record diesel prices we still are trying to prevent Iran from doing what they were prevented from doing back in 2017.

And do you even know what a Marxist actually is, or do you just repeat unsupported claims you hear in your echo chamber?

Now can we leave current election politics out of biblical discussions?

As for demons, there is ZERO evidence that the demonic was involved in the death of Kirk. If you think there was demonic involvement then you do not know much about demons.
 
Well then, can I assume you and your reformed buddies are buying up guns, ammo, and military weapons in preparation to take over the entire world by force and and make people convert to Christianity under threat of death and kill them if they refuse?

I mean this is what your "holy spirit" is leading you to do right?



I've been bought with a price and I am not my own and as such I have died to my own opinions and instead have taken the Mind of Christ which does not teach that it's God's will for Christians to build a massive army and take over the world by force.

You and your reformed buddies are making the same mistake the Jews did which lead them to reject Jesus all because Jesus did not rise up and take over the world during His first visit.

He came as a suffering servant the first time and only when He returns the second time to set up His 1000 Year kingdom will we see Him come forth as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and assume power and authority over the entire world.

Hebrews 2:8 tells us all things are not put under Him as of yet. But if you and your reformed buddies and your catholic buddies all want to build an army and try to take over the world which you will attempt without the authorization or anointing of the Lord, well let's just say I got my popcorn ready!

Be sure and let us know when you and your buddies kick off the festivities.
The trials will be short before you fellas are sent to prison for the rest of your lives.

This should all be quite entertaining. Arte you all planning to live stream your take over?
Amen. Could not have said it better.
 
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MAGA might have a lot of conservative Christians, but there are many more Christians than just conservatives. And how many times does one have to prevent single country from gaining nuclear weapons? Remember, before Trum pulled the USA out of the Iran deal, because he could do better, Iran was blocked from developing nuclear weapons and had Russia, China, Germany, France and Great Brittain standing with the USA to prevent their gaining any. Now, several deaths, over $30,000.000,000 and record diesel prices we still are trying to prevent Iran from doing what they were prevented from doing back in 2017.

And do you even know what a Marxist actually is, or do you just repeat unsupported claims you hear in your echo chamber?

Now can we leave current election politics out of biblical discussions?

As for demons, there is ZERO evidence that the demonic was involved in the death of Kirk. If you think there was demonic involvement then you do not know much about demons.

There used to be Christians in the Dem party, but they are being replaced by atheist Marxists. Why?
Because college students have been brain-washed by atheist professors in the mold of Sal Alinsky for decades.
Solution? Fire the treasonous atheist college professors ASAP before they corrupt any more generations!

We should prevent all countries whose goal is to destroy the Great Satan (US) from obtaining that capability.
Hitler should have taught us the lesson that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The "Iran deal" only slowed/delayed, not blocked, Iran from developing nuclear capability.
The fact that Iran is so difficult to defeat proves that the prevention effort was just barely in time.

A Marxist is an atheist/anti-Christian communist/authoritarian in the mold of Stalin, Mao, Alinsky and Biden.
Satan wants Christians to stay out of politics so that he can subjugate them/prevent God's will on earth.
Anyone who does extreme evil is demonic, but I see you do not condemn the assassination of Kirk.
 
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