Applying God's Word to Politics
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Even though the Pharisees presented Jesus a hard question, was it lawful for the Jews to pay tithes to Caesar? He didn't shrink or avoid answering the question that was asked him.
"...and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you..."
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.
Once more, the Kingdom of G"od is an absolute monarchy, so what is the question here? Nothing mayu be applied to His Kingdom, for it is all and eternal.
Perhaps some here would like that but then we all know who would want to rule in place of our Maker.
According to the writings the prophets and ddthe Torah, the ultimate ruler of the Jews was the High Priest, for he was given Israel of former times to be the ultimate authorityu of their government, which was a theocracy.
See how many times this is referred to in your number quote from Romans, for it is in reference to the then head of the Jews, the High Priest. Now we are looking to our High Priest, Jesus, or do you call Him by His name, Yeshua?
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:
Rom 13:4 for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be in subjection, not only because of the wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
Rom 13:6 For this cause ye pay tribute also; for they are ministers of God's service, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
No, the Lord taught me of their false doctrines and got me on His Word years ago. You should try it.
So no I do not follow the fake gospel of the protestant denominations and I certainly don't follow the fake gospel of the catholics either.
The so called sacred tradition of the early church
Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
False doctrine was already floating around when the Apostles were still here, but after Paul left it really gained a lot of momentum.
Who on CC is advocating and calling for people to be murdered?
Which is why those following the carnal religious traditions of man get so upset because they cannot justify their beliefs from scripture without rejecting portions of God's Word and enraging in scripture twisting
Then y0ou claim to belong to a brand-new tradition, by necessity a tradition of exactly one person. All other Christian traditions follow from Orthodox traditions, RCC traditions or generic Protestant ones, with the exception of some relatively unknown traditions, Syriac, Ethiopic or Coptic for example. But you profess far too many generic Protestant traditions to believably not follow their traditions.
Yeah, it's a novel one - following the Lord Jesus being led by the Holy Spirit that He sent to lead and guide us in to all Truth and Jesus said His Word is Truth.
As a result I don't study what preachers and denominations say they thought God Word says. Those doing so get stuck in the ditch with them.
Instead I study God's Word while submitting to the Holy Spirit's leading and if I have a question I pray directly to the Father in Jesus' Name standing on promises the Lord has provided in His Word and He provides all the answers I need.
It's too bad so many don't know they can be taught directly by the Lord.
They can't really do that is they are involved in pretty much any church at this point because other church members will persecute them if they learn something from God's Word that their religious club does not accept or believe it. This can get them kicked out of the club.
It all comes down to you are we going to believe has the Truth - the Lord Jesus or churches and preachers running the religious social clubs? I'll stick with the Lord and the Teacher He sent, and thanks for your concern.
1 Corinthians 2:16 tells us that believers have access to the thoughts and understanding of Christ through the Holy Spirit, enabling them to comprehend spiritual truths and emphasizes the truth that Christians can think in alignment with Christ's perspective.
1 Corinthians 2:9-12
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Ephesians 1:16-19
Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the
knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of
the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power
1 Corinthians 2:9-12
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Ephesians 1:16-19
Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the
knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of
the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power
And of course, you are so smart that Satan or his minions could not possibly deceive you, even though they manage to deceive entire churches. From what distance can you detect a demon, for instance can you know if a demon commonly appears in a church by just driving past it at a normal rate of speed, and if so, how, as denominational labels give no clear hints. Rather you must be able to just detect the demon's presence or at least the taint it leaves behind when it plans to return.
The point is that God expects rulers to be good or godly, which few are except in governments influenced by Christian morality.
No, your belief is not novel but it is what all Christians believe except that most of them realize two truths:
First, God also guides believers via other believers (Eph. 4:11-17).
Second, no one is an infallible pope, so we should always be humble which means teachable.
I call the members of this denomination “truth seekers”.
I hope you are one of us because the Lord prays for us all to be one.
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Never said there were, I simply posted the scripture to the person I perceived was expressing some frustration with the personal judgemental , argumentative rather than reasoned discussion as well as vitriolic manner way some on this site have acted merely to show that I understood what was being said but also to temper it with perspective.
So maybe you can answer the question regarding whether you would allow a couple such as Abraham and his wife Sarah to immigrate into the United States based upon what is written in the scripture regarding Abraham?
And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
Gen 20:11-12
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:4
Isn't the hope of your calling by Jesus for the forgiveness of your sin through repentance?
They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick which is the reason many are called but few are chosen.
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matt 9:13
(And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. )
Yes, and on the flip side the devil deceives believers through other "believers"
Matthew 24:4,5 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed to speak for God" that are deceiving many (false teachers)
2 Timothy 4:3,4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Peter 2:1-3 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.
Jude 1:4 - For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
Acts 20:27-30 - For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Because I seek Truth directly from the Lord based on His Word, I won't be following any of the denominations or so called organized religion as these are clown shows easily taken over and corrupted by the devil simply because these people and organizations FAIL to simply accept the whole counsel of God - They consistently present the wisdom of man as though it were the wisdom of the Lord and they continue in their error fueled by their desire to remain in good standing with whatever their favorite religious social club is.
Matthew 7:13,14 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The Lord will always have a remnant, and they are the few He speaks of in Matthew 7:13,14
Right, let me guess - anybody that disagrees with you is being argumentative in your view?
Abraham would have to abide by the laws of the US and come in legally:
1 Peter 2:13,14 - Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
Romans 13:1-4 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Those the sneak in illegally should get the boot and be removed from the country.