Are catholics Christian?

[AlayaRose]

watcher2013, Thats an easy one. Try Genisus2:3
[h=2]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.[/h]
This was made before the Jews !!!!

 

[watcher2013]

watcher2013, Thats an easy one. Try Genisus2:3
[h=2]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.[/h]
This was made before the Jews !!!!

that was not a command to the gentiles. that was the order of creation.

Before the law was given to the jews, it was not even practiced, that is why there have been many deaths regarding this law, because they did not know how.

 

[homwardbound]

It is true that if the soul does not have a living connection
with God through Christ by the Spirit, the flesh cannot please
God.

Jesus lived a sinless life in the same sinful flesh that you
and I have. "Jesus Christ our Lord who was made of the
seed of David according to the flesh." Romans 1:3.

David's flesh was sinful. Therefore Jesus took upon His
sinless nature our sinful nature and by the endowment
of the Holy Spirit He overcame as we are to overcome.

"He was made to be sin that we might become
the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Cor.5:21.

"God's ideal for His children is higher than the highest
human thought can reach. 'Be ye perfect even as your
Father in Heaven is perfect.' This command is a promise.
The plan of redemption contemplates our complete
recovery from the power of Satan. Christ always separates
the contrite soul from sin. He came to destroy the works
of the devil, and He has made provision that the Holy Spirit
shall be imparted to every repentant soul, to keep him from
sinning." Desire of Ages, 311.

ab

And to do this one needs the exchanged life their life for Christ's life.
Christ's life was born here from the Virgin Mary, and so as you just said that we can do as Christ did is no more than trying to imitate Christ and no flesh can. The only flesh that ever pleased God the Father is Christ period. For when Christ went to the cross he condemned all sin to the flesh.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So to be alive to God we are first to be dead to self and world with Christ at Christ's death for us, on the cross. So that we might gain access to the new life in the Spirit of God.
And today God can only be:

1. John 4:23
   But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
   
2. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
   
3. John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
   
   The war today is between flesh and God's Spirit of life that God gives as a free gift to those that believe God and are willing to be dead to self.

 

[homwardbound]

However,

"The religious services, the prayers, the praise, the penitent
confession of sin ascend from true believers as incense to
the heavenly sanctuary, but passing through the corrupt
channels of humanity, they are so defiled that unless
purified by blood, they can never be of value to God.
They ascend not in spotless purity, and unless the
Intercessor who is at God's right hand, presents and
purifies all by His righteousness, it is not acceptable to
God. All incense from earthly tabernacles must be moist
with the cleansing drops of the blood of Christ. He holds
before the Father the censer of His own merits, in which
there is no taint of eartly corruption. He gathers into
this censor the prayers, the praise, and the confessions
of His people, and with these He puts His own spotless
righteousness. Then, perfumed with the merits of Christ's
propitiation, the incense comes up before God wholly and
entirely acceptable. Then gracious answers are returned."
Selected Messages, vol.1, 344.

God gets all the credit and we are to trust god in all things that happen whether good or bad. So the ? is can one trust God in the midst of adversity, all the way to being homeless and without food? And just trust?
The rubber now hits the road

 

[homwardbound]

Oh! I´m not worried for my idle state, belonging or not to a Church or a denomination. I own no truth. God is that truth! I have no idea on what a pagan (or catholic) would find here as truth, to convert him/her from that idolatry some say is avoided, since we (if I´m allowed to name MYSELF as Christian) became an idolater of my EGO,wealth and money, and all that endless stuff some may call sex, human pleasure and visceral hedonism.

I hear you say you are safe and secure in the arms of Jesus, and you are by God from God to you and all that believe God

 

[homwardbound]

In all our struggle to arrive a the right doctrine, let us remember that doctrine is not an end. It is a means to an end- to help us live a life of repentance, that is free from the devastating effects of sin.

Man's problem is sin; not doctrine.
If we discuss doctrine, we may get nowhere.
If we discuss ways how we can repent and stay pure, God will reveal himself to us and the doctrinal part will be taken care of.

When we discuss doctrine, satan often gets a foothold due to the differences.
When we discuss sin and repentance, satan flees.

But this where Satan and all evil forces try to get one to try and stop their own sin, turning to God for help. When in truth God took away all sin in the Son, so God could come and live in us and as we agree through us tp pour his love on others as we go in this world wherever we go
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So let us walk in faith in what has been don for us by God through Christ? Trusting God sin has been dealt with, we thus are too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! busy in praising God where no sin can even get in the way
Walk as he walked in the Spirit of God, and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh

 

[homwardbound]

@alayarose,

Now, where in the bible it said that that law was given/commanded to the gentiles. Unless of course you are talking to the Jews.

Be bless.

Bottom line we are either of the flesh or the Spirit of God, there is no in between
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Ask God if you do not want to harm anyone else anymore, and I am sure God will show you as God sees fit, in knowing the motive(s) behind everyone's action and or reaction. Time to just want to know God with no motive of self in the way.

 

[homwardbound]

watcher2013, Thats an easy one. Try Genisus2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


This was made before the Jews !!!!

And this was for man not for God, so man could rest and rejuvenate. Yet today in God's Spirit there is no need for rejuvenation, when born again in God through the resurrected Christ.
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• Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
  
  
  Being born again I personally am at rest 24/7 with God in Heaven, worshipping in Spirit and truth, flesh works are forsaken, even as I do them, the view is completely different

 

[homwardbound]

that was not a command to the gentiles. that was the order of creation.

Before the law was given to the jews, it was not even practiced, that is why there have been many deaths regarding this law, because they did not know how.

We are all born dead in the flesh to begin with and in need of life
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

 

[AlayaRose]

watcher2013, ok so can you please educate me? Where is the scripture that states that the Sabbath only applies to the Jews?
With your logic, Can did not sin by killing Able because the ten commandments where not given yet and futhermore, the other nine commandments would then also only apply to the Jews. So I guess it is ok for the rest of us Gentiles to kill each other?

 

[watcher2013]

watcher2013, ok so can you please educate me? Where is the scripture that states that the Sabbath only applies to the Jews?
With your logic, Can did not sin by killing Able because the ten commandments where not given yet and futhermore, the other nine commandments would then also only apply to the Jews. So I guess it is ok for the rest of us Gentiles to kill each other?

1. Sabbath and Jews
[Exo 24:12] KJV And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. (Who's them? certainly Moses will not go back to egypt to teach the egyptians, neither he will travel all the way to asia to teach the asians)
[Exo 34:32] KJV And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai.

2. Cain kill Abel before the law.
There are commandments before the law at mount Sinai.
[Gen 26:5] KJV Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Though not written on stone.
God commands Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
Moses Law require death for murder.
God did not allow Cain to be slayed. (different approach)
we have no idea what are all those commandments given to them, but certainly Sabbath were not practiced.

3. Gentiles no law, is it ok to kill?
[Rom 2:14] KJV For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Eventhough, gentiles have no law, gentiles don't just go out and kill anyone they like. (killing spree)

[Rom 2:12] KJV For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

During those days, gentiles have many gods.
What Gentiles do not have was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But now this God was made known into the gentiles by Paul and the disciples. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not Esau, who does not dwell in things made by hands, who sent his Son Jesus.

 

[adventbeliever]

The truth is, the Sabbath was instituted long before the
existence of any Jew.

Jesus Himself said, "The Sabbath was made for man and
not man for the Sabbath."

It was made for man, not for the Jew only.

If it had been made for the Jew He would have said so.

The Lord has spoken.

ab

 

[AlayaRose]

Not to mention, that we become the seed of Abraham through our faith in Christ making us by that seed an Israelite and therefor even under watchers2013 own belief we are still subject to holding the Sabbath Holy.

 

[adventbeliever]

Yes descendants of Abraham, not according to the flesh
but according to the Spirit.

 

[Stevehere]

I was a Catholic for 33 years before being saved by grace and come from a long line of Catholics, at least 5 generations that I can trace back. Now I'm a friend of God anointed with His holy spirit and it tells me what God would have me do and guides me, I need no man, tradition of my dad's, or a house built with the hands of men to justify my faith, or teach me anything when it comes to God, but Looking back, I'd definitely say I was a Christian then as I believed in Christ as all Catholics do. I think the majority of Catholics are decent people and of course Christians that believe "God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son Yahoshua (Jesus) Christ to be a propitiation (atoning sacrifice) for their sins." The problem is that the majority of the people in the RCC are way to trustworthy when it comes to listening to these men,following the examples of their dad's, that they are moved into non-biblical teachings, believing everything the RCC tells them even if it's blatantly false. (Pio, stigmata, Mariam worship,bowing and praying below a statue, the rosary, ect.) These things don't help a Christian grow spiritually or edify them, but blinds and hinders them to the open line they have with God the Father and the LORD our God Yahoshua (Jesus) Christ 24/7. When I shared my testimony of grace with the priest at St. Bonaventure in Huntington beach, Ca, thinking in my head they would embrace me and rejoice in God's mercy towards a sinner like me, he told me that being a Catholic and practicing their theology was the only acceptable way with God and them. He didn't care about the miracle of me receiving the free gift of God. I was instantly a enemy and a protestant....lol. If you don't believe me try and tell them you are seeking God and found Him outside of the RCC, then you will become an enemy and protestant as well no matter how pious or devout you are or were. They wanted me to submit to a house and teaching of men and not to my maker. I could never do that, nor would anyone else with my experience do that.
I love all my brothers and sisters Catholic or not but I have learned the history of the RCC and there is no way now that I would ever go back. Those of you that have left already know where I'm coming from. Yes Catholics are Christian but a lot of their teachings are not.

So true True Bro..btw i'm too frm a catholic background now savd and i realised dat what u said abt their changing character is so true and i hav noticed dat

 

[Stevehere]

Catholicism is an organization of Pagans insisting on going to church and acting like Christians.

Ha ha...Good one

 

[AlayaRose]

Can someone please explain something to me. Why is it so hard for Gods people or People who say they are Gods people so against Holding the Sabbath Holy? Personally, I find it hard not to hurt someone when they have hurt me. I pray and pray for guidance and let God take my anger away. I find it hard to watch a movie with some steamy hot guy and to not think "me want some of that". lol I find it hard to honor my parents "who had not faith in God" and we lets just say, not nice people. I find it hard to tell the truth Every TIME I say something. I find it hard to see my neighbors with nice big house and new car and all that and to not think how nice life would be if I were rich. I find it hard to always help my fellow man. ect..ect...

But holding the Sabbath Holy is the easiest of all Gods Laws. I take the day off. I make no one else work for me. I get to remove myself from this world of sin and on going burdens to rejoice and celibate the God who made me. The God who gives me strength to stand up and face my own sins and become clean and new and sinless in his eyes. The God who loved and still loves me enough to have died for me while he was sinless in order to make my sins vanish.

Why do so many people fight or argue against the Sabbath? No other commandment is fought over more.

 

[watcher2013]

The truth is, the Sabbath was instituted long before the
existence of any Jew.

Jesus Himself said, "The Sabbath was made for man and
not man for the Sabbath."

It was made for man, not for the Jew only.

If it had been made for the Jew He would have said so.

The Lord has spoken.

ab

So it's not for a woman...????

First look at the whole story... Jesus was talking to who???? Those who has the commandment about the Sabbath (The Jews)...and their wrong application of it...

If Jesus was talking to a gentile...he probably get an answer..."What are you talking about?" What is this Sabbath, I do not even know it in the first place, are you talking to me ???

That is why Sabbath is made for a Man...Not Man for a Sabbath...

It is for man's own good...You need to rest at least once a week...

 

[AlayaRose]

watcher2013, I am MAN !!! I just have a womb. So I can give birth to man. So yes, Gods laws apply to me.

 

[watcher2013]

Not to mention, that we become the seed of Abraham through our faith in Christ making us by that seed an Israelite and therefor even under watchers2013 own belief we are still subject to holding the Sabbath Holy.

That is a wonderful statement Alayarose..ITs in Galatian 3.
and as you have said we are seedof abraham.

Gal 3:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

We receive the promise throught faith...not by following the Law...
" I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain"
what we receive is the promise...not the law...

But if you wan't to live (walking righteously), under the law (go ahead)...be reminded that...James 2:10 [SUP]" [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"
(Law of the first fruits, law tithes including yearly tithes, clothings, foods, the celebration of passover and many more)

a gentile believer is not lost for not following the sabbath.
1. It wasnot given to them.
2. it was not a condition for salvation. (what the, follow the sabbath and you will be saved?)

That is contrary to the faith gentiles received. Gentiles start with the Spirit and the Spirit lead them.

Having said all that, take a day rest in week...good for our bodies. and worship the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob daily not just on Saturday.


Understand Galatians, acts 15.