Are People Really Sheep?

[HeIsHere]

Are you ready for one more? Several people here might not be ready for this one.

Let's pick a group of people who are generally accepted as being evil. Let's say Hamas. Here is my question for those here who claim to be Christians:

Would you rather see them wiped off of the face of the earth through bombings and the like, or would you rather go and preach the gospel to them that they might be saved?

If several of you were to answer this question honestly, then it should cause you to question whether or not you are even in the faith.​

Luke 9:51-56​

51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

I am not sure if you know this, but their eschatology demands that Israel expand because it is their land and that is on auto-repeat as a justification.

 

[pinebeach]

From what I remember on another thread, you seem nice, and not antagonistic, so I will answer your questions. I didn't vote in the last election, but I have voted in other elections. My comments were meant to address Trump-obsessed MAGA supporters. Can someone support MAGA without being Trump-obsessed? Personally, I believe that they can. I am talking about people who worship Trump as if he was Christ himself. Maybe you have never met such people, but I know a lot of them personally, and I have broken fellowship with all of them because Trump is all they can talk about, and not in a rational manner.

Common sense dictates you do not vote for democrats if you have any regard for the constitution in general and distaste for infant genocide and understand that open borders has led to all sorts of evil consequences.

Not voting, means you have nothing to say.

 

[passion84god]

I am not sure if you know this, but their eschatology demands that Israel expand because it is their land and that is on auto-repeat as a justification.

I am slowly learning what some people here believe. It sounds like you are referring to Christian Zionism. If so, then I am very aware of how prevalent that belief is among Trump supporters.​

 

[GWH]

Not all MAGA are Trump obsessed.

Are any Dems NOT Trump obsessed?

 

[GWH]

Why would you support anything that pushes evolution? It's totally against the Bible.

Theistic evolution is not against the Bible, but that is probably not what the program preaches.

 

[Blade]

Not sure what this is about... this thread.. we as followers of Jesus Christ.. you know the Shepard of the sheep? The one God sent to die for the worlds sin. The one that took all...all your sins never holding them against you. His word.. let no corrupt communication "Unwholesome talk" refers to speech that is corrupt, degrading, or destructive to others. "foul or abusive language " "Do not let any rotten word" go forth out of your mouth, corrupt speech graceless, destructive communication (like gossip, insults, or slander) or a persuasive address focused on political and systemic dishonesty.

What does "only" mean? Only that what is helpful.. that which is good. You know there's this video anyone can watch where the Preacher says "we got that wrong.. I repented". Stopped it.. yet Christians still attack make fun of him. How some can freely lie so easy.. well take that picture of Trump.. does it matter to you as a believer follower of Jesus Christ to take Trump as his word? "Donald Trump said the AI-generated image that appeared to depict him as Jesus Christ was actually meant to portray him as a "doctor" or Red Cross worker making people better". Matters not what you personally think.. you want people to take you at your word..

If I was to judge Trump by his actions and words.. then I must do the same for others for you. Some of you talk as if your of this world not of Christ but I don't know your heart you say you confess Jesus as lord.. amen... if you fall I will pray for you... I will help.. never condemn. Did you know about 70+ years ago.. no hot showers? Haha.. yeah that came out left field huh. We live like kings and queens most of us. We think we have nothing.. Yet He gave us one more moment to ..get this.. shine Him not you.... its about Him.. how you act how you talk.. so if.. huge if .. but if you believe this Jesus is lord of lords king of kings.. the only way to the Father then own it.

Lol you the times I got the most praise and thanks (only go to GOD) is when I said nothing at all. Pray for the man.. has wife kids grandkids.. you have the Fathers ear.... about a preacher.. prays asks Christ ..why why have you not judged this man with fire and brimstone. His words.. strong huh lol. Do you know what Christ said? "oh but do you know all the good he does for me"

 

[GWH]

That is a fair question, and there are multiple ways that I could answer it. However, I choose not to. If anybody wants to call that a cop-out, then they are free to do so. I just know that nothing good will come out of that conversation, so I will better spend my time elsewhere. Btw, I neither have the time nor the desire to watch the news, so "fake news" has nothing to do with my beliefs or comments.​

Cop-out!
Ad hominem!
Not worth posting;
the purpose of CC is discussion of fair questions, not trolling.

 

[passion84god]

Cop-out!
Ad hominem!
Not worth posting;
the purpose of CC is discussion of fair questions, not trolling.

Do you feel better now? Is that how you normally talk to born again Christians? If it is, then you might want to conduct some self-examination.

 

[GWH]

Believe me, I understand the voting process. My concern is for those who obsess over politicians as if they were God. If you walked in my shoes, then you would know what I am talking about. I have met many people just like this, and I genuinely fear for them.​

Well, I walk with MAGA folks, and none of us idolizes Trump,
although some of guys think Melania is beautiful.

 

[passion84god]

Well, I walk with MAGA folks, and none of us idolizes Trump,

Glad to hear it.

although some of guys think Melania is beautiful.

As long as you're not coveting another man's wife, I guess that is okay.

 

[GWH]

Do you feel better now? Is that how you normally talk to born again Christians? If it is, then you might want to conduct some self-examination.

The astute will note that my post indicated I would feel better if you discussed my fair question
instead of lobbing insults.

Apparently I was NOT free to call a cop-out.

 

[GWH]

I am slowly learning what some people here believe. It sounds like you are referring to Christian Zionism. If so, then I am very aware of how prevalent that belief is among Trump supporters.​

There is no such thing as Christian Zionists, which is an oxymoron,
although there may be Messianic Jews (Gal. 3:28).
The only Zion for Christians is Heaven.

 

[passion84god]

The astute will note that my post indicated I would feel better if you discussed my fair question
instead of lobbing insults.

What insult did I lob?

Apparently I was NOT free to call a cop-out.

You're free to do whatever you want, and so am I. I chose not to answer a question that you asked simply because I know where it will inevitably lead.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

If I met Trump, I would preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to him

I believe those surrounding him are doing just that. My father would say he's 18 inches from being saved. Has the head knowledge but not the heart. I think Trump grew up with the idea many have, if I do good, that will get me into heaven. Many people, check the threads here, still believe works will get you into heaven.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well, good. Not dumping at all is better than only dumping on MAGA,
but we wish you would join us in resisting Satan in the guise of Marxists,
because history has shown that apathy begets immorality and slavery.

And this is where we need our "winner" emoji back again. Exactly the point I am trying to get across.

 

[GWH]

What insult did I lob?

You're free to do whatever you want, and so am I. I chose not to answer a question that you asked simply because I know where it will inevitably lead.

Your saying "Do you feel better now? Is that how you normally talk to born again Christians? If it is, then you might want to conduct some self-examination" was meant as a compliment?!

I want to discuss my fair question. Do you want to change your mind and say it is a dumb question?
Discussion between truthseekers will lead to discerning truth, but it takes two.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Frankly I wish I were more akin to a blind sheep - would make my life as a servant of the Lord Jesus much easier.

Yes, it would be easier but God wants us to put in the effort. That reminds me of my sister. She told my mother her teacher she used the F word on her. Surprised she asked my sister to explain. She said " my teacher told me I needed to use more EFFORT". lol

 

[HeIsHere]

I am slowly learning what some people here believe. It sounds like you are referring to Christian Zionism. If so, then I am very aware of how prevalent that belief is among Trump supporters.​

Yes that is correct, along with ideas about exceptionalism, denial of what has happened historically and presently due to said exceptionalism etc., etc.,

 

[Suze]

I’ve been so removed from politics. I watch some videos sometimes and I keep up with major events, I have heard of Jared Kushner but can’t put a face to his name.

I don't take much notice of it either , our leaders r not of this world , thankfully !

 

[pinebeach]

And this is where we need our "winner" emoji back again. Exactly the point I am trying to get across.

Yeah I miss that one.