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Christ died that all men might have forgiveness of their sins. It is men who do not want forgiveness that leads to their eternal condemnation not any inadequacy in the blood sacrifice of Christ.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Verses 19-20 are real important.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Verses 19-20 are real important.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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LOL...Mark thanks for the heads up !!
You are avoiding the pointed question; ...if there is predetermination by G-d why preps for forgiveness ,etc...is what I asked? Would Christ need be giving His life on the cross?
Need there be forgiveness?
Need there be a white throne judgment?
etc?
Your position must fit scriptures.....and it doesn't.
LOL...Mark thanks for the heads up !!
You are avoiding the pointed question; ...if there is predetermination by G-d why preps for forgiveness ,etc...is what I asked? Would Christ need be giving His life on the cross?
Need there be forgiveness?
Need there be a white throne judgment?
etc?
Your position must fit scriptures.....and it doesn't.
Gods sovereignty is not threatened by mans volition. In the garden when Adam sinned Adam received the knowledge of good and evil. It is this knowledge that compels man to choose.
When you came to Christ were you under Holy Spirit conviction about your sin? John 16:8-11.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
When you came to Christ were you under Holy Spirit conviction about your sin? John 16:8-11.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Read the Bible, God doesn't wink at sin. Sin had to be paid for in full, before anyone could be forgiven, God is just. He
This a very difficult topic, God is so awesome that we can never quite understand everything about Him. So a lot of thins will remain mysterious to us and I believe His sovereignty is one of those attributes that we can't fully grasp the magnitude of it.
Thankfully God didn't make His commandments complicated, He has given us simple instructions to live by so all we need to do is trust Him in everything He does.
There are many scriptures which point to the fact that God knows all things from the beginning to the end, our difficulty is trying to put that into a perspective of how deep it goes. I believe it's has no limit, including knowing who will be saved and who will not, He knew this before we were craeted.
This a very difficult topic, God is so awesome that we can never quite understand everything about Him. So a lot of thins will remain mysterious to us and I believe His sovereignty is one of those attributes that we can't fully grasp the magnitude of it.
Thankfully God didn't make His commandments complicated, He has given us simple instructions to live by so all we need to do is trust Him in everything He does.
There are many scriptures which point to the fact that God knows all things from the beginning to the end, our difficulty is trying to put that into a perspective of how deep it goes. I believe it's has no limit, including knowing who will be saved and who will not, He knew this before we were craeted.
Yes but how did you get saved? Did you just wake up one day and decide you were elect or did you seek Christ broken and desperate for forgiveness of your burden of sin?
Calvinists concern me if they do not have a clear testimony regarding how they were saved. It is not an intellectual decision and God does not make the decision for you. God makes provision for men to be saved but God does not make a man get saved against his will.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Calvinists concern me if they do not have a clear testimony regarding how they were saved. It is not an intellectual decision and God does not make the decision for you. God makes provision for men to be saved but God does not make a man get saved against his will.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
My wife is an SDA and I have attended many services with her. The SDA does not believe that Jesus was created but they do believe that he is the Son, and that with the Father and Holy Spirit compose one God. The SDA is a bible believing church that preaches salvation from the shed blood of Jesus dying for the remission of sin, and repentance by turning away from a sinful lifestyle. You do this by inviting the Holy Spirit to live inside of you to guide you on your new spiritual path in your life's journey.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word with God and the Word was God and the Word was with God in the beginning. The Word is Jesus. Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity. Jesus is God. This is what the SDA believes.
I hope that this provides some clarity for you on this matter.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word with God and the Word was God and the Word was with God in the beginning. The Word is Jesus. Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity. Jesus is God. This is what the SDA believes.
I hope that this provides some clarity for you on this matter.
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In other words, you have no free will, can't think for yourself, can't really choose to do anything at all, you're only doing what God predetermined you would do. You're a pre-programmed robot, a mindless puppet predestined for whatever God hath decreed.
If I felt that way, I'd shoot myself.
If I felt that way, I'd shoot myself.
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Hi Roger,
Us Calvinists believe that God provided everything we needed for our salvation. The rest of you believe God put the carrot out and only the smart ones took it.
The bible says that you are not saved because your're smarter than the next guy. In fact the smartest people in the world all reject the Gospel, they dismiss it as foolishness. Einstein and all the other great minds of history were all atheists, so there goes your argument that only the wise will accept it and the fools will reject it.
So you believe that only good people will accept the Gospel and the wicked will reject it. I just don't understand the predestination deniers world view. You can't give me any reason why some accept and some reject, you make no sense at all
Us Calvinists believe that God provided everything we needed for our salvation. The rest of you believe God put the carrot out and only the smart ones took it.
The bible says that you are not saved because your're smarter than the next guy. In fact the smartest people in the world all reject the Gospel, they dismiss it as foolishness. Einstein and all the other great minds of history were all atheists, so there goes your argument that only the wise will accept it and the fools will reject it.
So you believe that only good people will accept the Gospel and the wicked will reject it. I just don't understand the predestination deniers world view. You can't give me any reason why some accept and some reject, you make no sense at all
I believe we are exactly what God created us to be. You believe God created you without any clue as to what you are, like He just created a mysterious creature.
You believe in a god who has no control over anything, he's weak and impotent god who hopes you might believe in him so he can save you. He's hiding somewhere and and worried sick that you will make the wrong choice and end up in the lake of fire. I really feel sorry for your weak little god.
The God of the Holy bible is an all knowing, all powerful, all mighty, infinitely wise, infinitely intelligent, knows all thing from the beginning to the end and the biggest shock for those who believe in the little weak god is He actually knows who His elect are. He's not surprised by anything, because He knows everything remember.
The biggest problem for the predestination deniers is, their god is just unable to do what he would like to do. He's at the mercy of those he created, he has lost all control over his creation.
You believe in a god who has no control over anything, he's weak and impotent god who hopes you might believe in him so he can save you. He's hiding somewhere and and worried sick that you will make the wrong choice and end up in the lake of fire. I really feel sorry for your weak little god.
The God of the Holy bible is an all knowing, all powerful, all mighty, infinitely wise, infinitely intelligent, knows all thing from the beginning to the end and the biggest shock for those who believe in the little weak god is He actually knows who His elect are. He's not surprised by anything, because He knows everything remember.
The biggest problem for the predestination deniers is, their god is just unable to do what he would like to do. He's at the mercy of those he created, he has lost all control over his creation.
I believe God knows everything that you will do in your whole life, yes God also knows who will believe and who won't. He actually knows everything and even those things, He's greater than you can even imagine.
When the Bible says He knows all things, it means ALL THINGS no exceptions. He even knew that Adam would sin, so He made a plan to save sinners before He created the world.
I know most people like the baby Jesus but they don't like the One who is coming back to cast unbelievers into the lake of fire where they will be tormented day and night forever more.
People want a God they can fit into their lifestyle, they don't like the God who hates sin and punishes sinners. The natural man wants a God he can predict and control and use to his advantage, he doesn't want a God who he has to surrender his life to and obey 100% and worship
When the Bible says He knows all things, it means ALL THINGS no exceptions. He even knew that Adam would sin, so He made a plan to save sinners before He created the world.
I know most people like the baby Jesus but they don't like the One who is coming back to cast unbelievers into the lake of fire where they will be tormented day and night forever more.
People want a God they can fit into their lifestyle, they don't like the God who hates sin and punishes sinners. The natural man wants a God he can predict and control and use to his advantage, he doesn't want a God who he has to surrender his life to and obey 100% and worship