Are Roman Catholics Christians
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It may involve, but the writer itself is not RCC, and I do not consider RCC Christian, because to me Christian is an institution that use the Bible as the only source of their doctrine.
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Seedz
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Can you prove that the writers existed historically? Did you know they have no actual evidence for the names tied to the synoptic gospels?
They are anonymous, yet we've put names to them and most if not all probably didn't actually meet Jesus.
How do you know that all of these texts weren't purposely produced with an agenda in mind?
If they historically contradict each other in several accounts, all of the potential historicity is pulverized at the realization that the accounts don't say the same things and in some instances directly contradict each other. How do you expect me to blindly believe?
The four gospels are first hand witness accounts recorded for our benefit. Of course there are differences in the accounts. Each person would see and respond a little different to the same situation. If the gospels were word for word identical we would suspect foul play. the fact that each tells essentially the same story of Jesus and the gospel confirms that the Holy Spirit was the guiding hand in the recording of the events of Jesus life and ministry on this earth.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Seedz
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In the first paragraph it proves my point; "existing "COPIES" of the original manuscripts."
No one has access to the originals because they don't exactly know where it came from, that's convenient I might add.
I've heard the argument that the "original" text was preserved through the propagation of copies, preventing the originals from evil modification but the ones that present this argument are uneducated on the fact that the "copies" vary, and they vary a lot.
You are presenting a biased website trying to prove the bible with the bible.
What I presented in my previous posts can be validated as historical fact.
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Seedz
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Did you know that Mark was the original "Gospel"? (many early churches only had Mark as a gospel) Mark was used as the main source by "Luke" and "Matthew" and in many instances the text is verbatim across the three. Funny thing is that this makes it very obvious when the author or Luke or Matthew wanted to add or modify the message based on their own agenda or belief. Talk about foul play...
All I am trying to do is advice you all to look into it for yourself. I am not making this up. I have no need to make it up. I just want the truth.
I have to make more study in this subject, but logically speaking if they found 5000 old copy and no significant deferences I believe it is as original
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Seedz
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The thing is that there are significant differences. The common man won't notice them since they only approach the bible in a devotional way. Plus we only know the mainstream information, there is more to it.
A good book to get some good solid info on this would be Jesus Interrupted by Bart Ehrman.
Check it out.
What do you mean by significant different?
Say Matthew fragments that found say in Jerusalem say Jesus heal the blind, Matthew fragments that found in thesalonians say Jesus never heal the blind. ?
If the different is only one or two word, to me it is normal, human error,
If we copy a thousand page, as a human we make some error.
This is link about the accuracy of manuscript news Testament copies
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
The only problem is we don't know who God has chosen to save so we preach to everyone
What is the different?
Say God elect Sam
It doesn't matter whether you preach to Sam or not, he will go to heaven, because God elect him
The difference is between the reprobate and the elect of God, have you studied this Bible doctrine before. Look it up it's quite interesting
We only preach because Jesus commanded us to preach to all creatures, we have no way of knowing who the elect are
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Seedz
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It's only doctrine if you think that that is what God wanted.
Different people think God wants different things.
If election is true, then being a "fisherman of men" is utterly and hopelessly pointless.
all of this is ridiculous.
I find it hard that "Born Again" groups are the real christian groups because it only milk its members' money by their money hungry pastor.
Imagine religions that don't believe in apostolic succession suddenly became God's true Church.
I might believe that the Coptic or Orthodox Church could be the real God's Church who believe in apostolic succession than these newly founded religious scams.
Imagine religions that don't believe in apostolic succession suddenly became God's true Church.
I might believe that the Coptic or Orthodox Church could be the real God's Church who believe in apostolic succession than these newly founded religious scams.
