Are you a monergist or a synergist?

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Which are you? Please vote only once and simply add 1 to the current total for what you choose.

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Where Christ Reigns, there is no snyde backbiting between men, only stern reproof of the wrong done. Save people from what will be brurned, and honor that which will be saved.
All unrighteousness and evil thoughts between people will be burned. Give evil to evil ideas, and not to men.
 
All I know is the core mechanism - the Father is revealed through the Son, the Son is the bridge across the chasm of sin, and He is revealed through the Spirit. All these labels are unnecessary complications, the term for that is "circumlocution".
There's no good reasons to include (Reformed Theology - Calvinism), in your criticism of those systematic theologies I referred to. Reformed Theology does not use "circumlocution" - meaning to use extra words to be vague or deceptive.

Reformed theology actually uses systematic precision to harmonize difficult, tension-filled passages across both the Old and New Testaments.

One of the core tenets in Reformed Theology is monergism, (God saving people entirely by grace) and unconditional election. It is derived directly from texts such as Romans 8 and 9, and Ephesians 1, rather than convoluted philosophical detours. What critics call "talking in circles" is often just the systemic unpacking of the "whole counsel of God".
 
There's no good reasons to include (Reformed Theology - Calvinism), in your criticism of those systematic theologies I referred to. Reformed Theology does not use "circumlocution" - meaning to use extra words to be vague or deceptive.

Reformed theology actually uses systematic precision to harmonize difficult, tension-filled passages across both the Old and New Testaments.


One of the core tenets in Reformed Theology is monergism, (God saving people entirely by grace) and unconditional election. It is derived directly from texts such as Romans 8 and 9, and Ephesians 1, rather than convoluted philosophical detours. What critics call "talking in circles" is often just the systemic unpacking of the "whole counsel of God".
The difference lies within your understanding on "salvation" - is it a one and done deal, or a lifelong journey? You know, the Lord declared "it is finished" when he died on the cross, to some, if not the vast majority, it is truly finished, all we need to do is to preach to the wolrd that "it is finished"; to others, though, the Lord's job was finished, the church's hadn't even begun - until about fifty two days later at the Pentecost. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Therefore God's saving grace only extends to those who accepts it, it is up to each individual to choose, God doesn't force anybody to be saved.
 
lol.

Sorry brother. But this is just plain nonsense. and comes from a bias..

God is a soverign God he can do whatever he wants.

If he wants to offer you salvation, and have you recieve it he can

If he wants to offer you salvation and give you the opportunity to reject it. He can do that also


What causes a dead sinner to recieve Jesus is Jesus bringing them to their knees like he did the tax collector.

which means

1. I must stop denying him and making my own God to replace him
2. I must deny religion, and stop pumping my chest like a pharisee thinking I do not need him

But only God can bring us to the point we make this decision.



Dude. if your going to falsly accuse me of being an arminian. we are finished. and I will report you for bearing false witness.

I reject both arminianism and do not even consider them my brothers.

I do not agreee with calvinism, but I do concider them my brother.


Who gets on their knees,

the tax collector who God brought to his knees

who does not

The pharisee who no matter what God does will never recieve him, or the so called athiest. again, who no matter what God does will never see or repent.
Your theology is all messed up, none of it is biblical, it's all based on your own private opinions. Whilst everyone is entitled to have their own private opinions, you can't expect me to agree with you when your opinions contradict Gods Word.
 
Actually yes it does.. But I am prety sure nothing will convince you of that. and thats fine..

lol. again, If you think so thats fine.

But I can not agree.
It would be very helpful if you could reveal which scriptures you base your opinions on. Making claims without any biblical foundation, is unprofitable and worthless.
 
Yes you are right.

Before Jesus Resurrection, all the Old Testament saints were kept in Sheol, referred in the New Testament as Hades.
There was a good side, and a suffering side. The suffering side remains to this day until the final judgement.

Those in the good side (Abraham’s bosom) were freed and went with Jesus to Heaven. Now, all saved saints are with Him immediately, but the unsaved continue to go to, and be held, in Hades.
As bad as Hades is, it's still not as bad as their final destiny. The Lake of Fire is the most awful place of all, the unsaved will be cast into it by the Lord Jesus Himself. They will beg for mercy but the Lord Jesus will show them no mercy at all.
 
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That is the Creed of walking with Christ. That is the answer to what determines salvation or condemnation.
Those are the rules to live by to obtain life. This cannot be added to or taken away from, so why do you insist on staying here?
The determining factor of salvation or condemnation in Scripture is not a human act, a ritual, a moment of belief, or a moral achievement.
It is the verdict of Christ Himself. and he alone.

That is the core thread running through Paul, Jesus, John, and Peter.Everything else—faith, repentance, obedience, love—is evidence, fruit, or means by which Christ’s verdict is revealed, not the thing that decides it.
 
You have heard "love the sinner, hate the sin." Well today, we will hate the sin.
How will you fluff up this worthless thing you people trife about? There's no godliness in it, yet you guage each other in Christ over it. Will you talk down an attempt to incorperate witchraft into christianity with light and sugar-coated words?
Such conversations as these are a tunnel into darkness that has no light at the end of it; and the people inside hate each other with the power of the darknes, so it might as well be withcraft. This is the appropriate way to talk about strife such as this.

"Save me, save me from having to feel guilty about swinging my fists at other people over ideas I made up!"
"Stop calling our discourse such a fecal-filled nowhere road! I'm such a monergist or synergist and I have to be against the 'other' side!"
"We've been unable to prove either 'side' for over a thousand years and every single argument always becomes the same exact twisted pretzel! Yet there has to be contention over it! Who is this man who's going to bring it all to nothing?! SAVE UUSS! SAVE US, SO WE CAN KEEP FIGHTING FOREVER!"
"Stop, don't tell us this is incompatible with God! I WILL continue to throw a temper tantrum over sonething I shouldn't even be doing in the first place! I HAVE to do this, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong, PLEASE SAVE ME!"

Really? Until this post receives a reply exactly rebuking me for how this conversation is instead actually Christlike, you have no excuse. Am I hating brothers? Please, save yourselves.

There is one source for all Godliness, and one answer to God's mysteries. Whoever is Godly, let him answer them, and let those who are Godly with him accept it.
Brother, the way you speak about these disputes is itself part of the problem Scripture warns against. You rightly hate the sin of strife, but you are now describing your brothers with imagery that Scripture forbids—“corrupt communication,” “bitterness,” and “clamor” (Ephesians 4:29–31). Yes, theological fights can become fleshly, prideful, and even destructive, but calling them “witchcraft,” “fecal‑filled,” or “darkness” does not restore anyone; it only adds another layer of ungodliness. The apostles never corrected error by scorning people, even when the error was severe. Paul told Timothy to avoid foolish controversies, but also to correct “with meekness” (2 Timothy 2:25). James tells us that the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God (James 1:20). So the rebuke is this: your hatred of sin is right, but your contempt toward people is not. If the conversation is unprofitable, step out of it with humility—not with insults. Christlike speech does not sugar‑coat sin, but neither does it degrade the brethren. True godliness answers God’s mysteries with clarity, patience, and love, not with scorn.
 
Brother, the way you speak about these disputes is itself part of the problem Scripture warns against. You rightly hate the sin of strife, but you are now describing your brothers with imagery that Scripture forbids—“corrupt communication,” “bitterness,” and “clamor” (Ephesians 4:29–31). Yes, theological fights can become fleshly, prideful, and even destructive, but calling them “witchcraft,” “fecal‑filled,” or “darkness” does not restore anyone; it only adds another layer of ungodliness. The apostles never corrected error by scorning people, even when the error was severe. Paul told Timothy to avoid foolish controversies, but also to correct “with meekness” (2 Timothy 2:25). James tells us that the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God (James 1:20). So the rebuke is this: your hatred of sin is right, but your contempt toward people is not. If the conversation is unprofitable, step out of it with humility—not with insults. Christlike speech does not sugar‑coat sin, but neither does it degrade the brethren. True godliness answers God’s mysteries with clarity, patience, and love, not with scorn.
People shouldn't be scorned by me, they should scorn the way they've sinned againt God.
Nobody in particular was degraded by me but the part of people inside them that values such sins.
 
The determining factor of salvation or condemnation in Scripture is not a human act, a ritual, a moment of belief, or a moral achievement.
It is the verdict of Christ Himself. and he alone.

That is the core thread running through Paul, Jesus, John, and Peter.Everything else—faith, repentance, obedience, love—is evidence, fruit, or means by which Christ’s verdict is revealed, not the thing that decides it.
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
 
People shouldn't be scorned by me, they should scorn the way they've sinned againt God.
Nobody in particular was degraded by me but the part of people inside them that values such sins.
Brother, your desire to hate sin is right.
Your desire to call people to repentance is right.
Your desire to defend God’s holiness is right.

But your method is not.
You cannot:
claim humility,
claim special revelation,
claim superiority,
claim to know who knows God,
and then justify scorn as “aimed at the sinful part.”
That is not how Scripture teaches Christians to speak.

The biblical pattern is:
Hate sin.
Love sinners.
Correct with gentleness.
Speak with grace.
Restore with meekness.
Warn with compassion.

Scorn is not a fruit of the Spirit. It is a work of the flesh.
 
14The Word became flesh and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the only born Son of the Father, full of grace and truth. 15John testified about him. He cried out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he was before me.’” 16From his fullness we all received grace upon grace. 17For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
 
17But you, beloved, remember the words which have been spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18They said to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, walking after their own ungodly lusts.” 19These are those who cause divisions and are sensual, not having the Spirit. 20But you, beloved, keep building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit. 21Keep yourselves in God’s love, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22On some have compassion, making a distinction, 23and some save, snatching them out of the fire with fear, hating even the clothing stained by the flesh.

If you are convicted by something inside you when reading my posts, there's a problem. If you pray to Jesus Christ and that conviction doesn't budge, there's a HUGE PROBLEM!
 
Why not tell me how I did these things
In Christian theology, charitable discourse is rooted in the apostolic command that believers “speak the truth in love,” a pattern that binds conviction to charity. Even when disagreements arise, Christians are called to pursue unity through humility, patience, and mutual submission, remembering that the Spirit forms one body out of many members. Thus, theological debate must be exercised with reverence, guarding the tongue from bitterness and aiming always at edification, so that even sharp differences become occasions for sanctification rather than division.
 
If something is filthy, it can't be anything but filthy. It has to be recognized as something filthy.
If something is shameful, it's most ceartainly a shame.
If you are guilty of tresspass, you are worthy of reproach.
Christ knew you would all go astray, so He has kept you all from ending your aquaintence with Him.
But when you realize when your stace is futile, you should turn back from your evil way and follow the truth again.

In Christian theology, charitable discourse is rooted in the apostolic command that believers “speak the truth in love,” a pattern that binds conviction to charity. Even when disagreements arise, Christians are called to pursue unity through humility, patience, and mutual submission, remembering that the Spirit forms one body out of many members. Thus, theological debate must be exercised with reverence, guarding the tongue from bitterness and aiming always at edification, so that even sharp differences become occasions for sanctification rather than division.
Against love there is no law. Let my works turn people back to christ. Trust the testimony of the Spirit, not the form of my words. I don't even know what 'theology' means. This is reality. I revere God and His hatred for sin. If you didn't hear it from me, you would hear it much worse on the day of Judgment.
 
Against love there is no law. Let my works turn people back to christ. Trust the testimony of the Spirit, not the form of my words. I don't even know what 'theology' means. This is reality. I revere God and His hatred for sin. If you didn't hear it from me, you would hear it much worse on the day of Judgment.

“I don’t even know what ‘theology’ means. This is reality.”​

Let me define it simply, without academic clutter: Theology is the disciplined study of God’s revelation.
It is not speculation.
It is not philosophy
It is the attempt to speak accurately about what God has made known.
You are dealing with reality — sin, judgment, holiness, love, fear, repentance.
That is theology.
You’re already doing it. You’re simply doing it intuitively rather than academically.
If something is filthy, it can't be anything but filthy. It has to be recognized as something filthy.
If something is shameful, it's most ceartainly a shame.
If you are guilty of tresspass, you are worthy of reproach.
Christ knew you would all go astray, so He has kept you all from ending your aquaintence with Him.
But when you realize when your stace is futile, you should turn back from your evil way and follow the truth again
What you are articulating — without using academic terminology — is a coherent doctrinal structure:
Moral nature (filth is filth)
Objective shame (shame is shame)
Culpability (trespass deserves reproach)
Divine preservation (Christ keeps His own)
Repentance (turning from futility back to truth)
This is not harshness. This is not extremism. This is not self‑righteousness.
This is the biblical worldview.
You are describing the moral universe as Scripture reveals it.
You are speaking about realities that are morally absolute — filth is filth, shame is shame, guilt is guilt.
That demands sobriety, not agitation.
A sober mind means:
You speak with gravity, not frenzy
You describe sin truthfully, not theatrically
You remain steady, not volatile
This is the attitude of biblical sobriety — clarity without emotional distortion.
You must never sound like someone delighting in calling out filth or shame.You speak as someone who sees sin the way God sees it — with grief.
This is the prophetic posture:
Jeremiah wept
Jesus lamented
Paul spoke “with tears” (Acts 20:31)
Your tone should carry the weight of someone who hates sin because it destroys people, not because it gives you moral superiority.
Your statements already show this:“If something is filthy… shameful… reproach… turn back…”
But the attitude must be reverent, not severe for severity’s sake.
Reverence means:
You speak as one under authority
You speak as one aware of judgment
You speak as one who trembles at God’s Word
This is the posture of the fear of the Lord — not terror, but awe.
You are dealing with absolute moral categories, but you are speaking to people who are fragile.
Gentle firmness means:
You do not soften the truth
You do not weaponize the truth
You do not apologize for the truth
You do not deliver the truth with cruelty
This is Paul’s command: “Restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness” (Gal. 6:1).
Firmness without gentleness becomes pride. Gentleness without firmness becomes compromise.
You need both.
Your words about filth, shame, guilt, and reproach are accurate — but your role is not to pronounce final judgment.
Your role is:
to expose sin
to call for repentance
to testify of Christ
to warn of judgment
to urge return
But the Judge is Christ alone.
This keeps your attitude humble, not authoritarian.
You are speaking about turning back from a futile stance and returning to truth. That requires urgency — but not despair.
Hopeful urgency means:
You warn because restoration is possible
You confront because grace is available
You speak plainly because Christ preserves His own
Your tone should say: “Turn back — because mercy is still open.”
Not: “Turn back — because you disgust me.”
You said: “Christ knew you would all go astray, so He has kept you all from ending your acquaintance with Him.”
That is the doctrine of preservation. Your attitude should reflect confidence in Christ’s ability to keep His people, not anxiety about your ability to persuade them.
Confidence in Christ produces:
calmness
steadiness
clarity
patience
You speak boldly because Christ is faithful, not because you are forceful.
Speak with sober clarity, broken-hearted reverence, gentle firmness, hopeful urgency, and Christ-centered confidence — as a witness of truth, not a judge of souls.
This is the attitude of a man who knows sin is filth, shame is shame, guilt is guilt — but also knows Christ keeps His own and calls them back with mercy.
 
Softness and gentleness is for first offenders who don't fully perceive they do wrong.
But when someone has an errornous understanding which they've walked in for so long, that they've become hardened to loving their neighbor and impose their error on others, there needs to be a sword to cut something out.
This is not a killing blow, these are stripes. Let them purge the folly and let them heal with wisdom.
 
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