Are you in The New Covenant “Relationship” with God?
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night & dkontner --- sorry that is not true.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
and the writer of Hebrews confirms this fact.
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Actually the Old and the New are marriage contracts. Jesus Christ married Israel and later divorced the House of Israel and remained married to the House of Judah, the Jews, until they killed Him. although I was an husband unto them
That is what Jesus said, if you say Jesus and His Father are one, you can't have one with the other . I guess is the reason that he said the following-
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
John 15:23-25
Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his child, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
The passage does not say to stone a girl to death if she has premarital sex.
13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
If the female represented herself as a virgin, if true then her parent could defend their daughters virtue.
15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
If the husband had falsely accused his wife to dishonor her virtue -
18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
If the wife is found to have lied to her husband, and her father-
20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then shall ye do unto the father as he had thought to have done unto his ex son in law: he may not put her out of his house all his days.
“It appears you disagree with the 10 Commandments.”
um wow . No I was asking you a question because you said we had to obey the whole Bible lol ? Apparently you had no interest in answering so I’ll leave you to it
“The passage does not say to stone a girl to death if she has premarital sex.”
…..it says if a man lies about her not being a virgin he gets punished
If he’s telling the truth she gets stoned to death by the men of her city at her fethers door
just like this commands then to kill a man for picking up sticks on a sabbath day this says what it says also
“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
Numbers 15:32, 35-36 KJV
What some of you are missing is Jesus isn’t like that . Your listening to this judgement
“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
Exodus 23:20-21 KJV
That’s why when you read the law there are all those types of commands to kill each other to accuse and judge each other to execute gods judgement on one another . It’s why a guy picks a stick up under the law and then is stoned to death by gods people
Or a damsel who marries and is shown to not be a virgin is dragged to her fethers house and stoned to death by the men of her city …
Its why adulterers were commanded to be killed and you notice there’s nothing to say “ if the sinner repents then don’t execute them give them another chance “
because that Angel set over them who ordained thier law would not forgive transgression the law isn’t meant to it’s meant for this reason
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. ( that’s why no forgivness in it ) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
It definately says if the damsel is proven to not be a virgin they are commanded to execute her .
the government of God is not on earth now --- we are ruled by man's government --- and man's laws do not follow God's.
thus we now regard fornication and adultery as normal and healthy unless money is involved.
But when Christ returns HE will rule by the Torah. The Law/Torah will go forth from Jerusalem. Sin, repented of, will be paid for by the blood of Christ, those refusing to repent, refusing to stop sinning will be put to death according to Torah Law.
does that answer the question?
Not really no I was asking based on what you said before about obeying all the Bible
My answer states we can not at this time but when Christ returns the Torah will be world Law, every Word will be enforced, with patience and mercy to a point. Once a person understands, they must obey --willingly.
Mmhm I see so we’re all going back to this ….
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
seems like a bleak eternity of Moses law is what’s governing things that’s not gonna be fun hanging dead sinners on trees as a warning to the encampments …or slaughtering animals in order to be acceptable to god or stoning each other for any offense ….that’s actually a lot more like Islams idea of eternity
your statement, "many that do not know the Torah - are coming to Christ.'
there are 45,000 kinds of christian churches all teaching diverse doctrines, some very diverse.
Christ taught One way, one narrow path, not 45,000 paths
Explain how a person that knows little of the Word finds which one or ones, if any, of the 45,000 that actually follow and teach Christ's One way?
Christ warned His disciples not be be deceived, why? Even Paul warned when he dies deceivers would come into the church
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
God is not the author of confusion -- 45,000 is confusion.
The Law of God is His instructions for how to embody His character traits and His character traits of the fruits of the Spirit, so everything in the Law of God was given to teach us how to walk in the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it and why circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us in obedience to His law. Someone who was walking in the Spirit would be indistinguishable from someone who was correctly walking in obedience to the Law of God because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow. Walking in the Spirit is not a way of being counted as obeying the Law of God without actually obeying it.
You teach the holy spirit incentivizes us to obey the law, but Peter, who had the holy spirit, called the law an unbearable yoke. Why? Because the law has no power to teach us how to do the righteousness required by its edicts. Whereas the indwelling holy spirit does teach us how to do righteousness apart from following letters of law.
I don't agree that Peter should be interpreted as expressing views of obeying the Law of God that are incompatible with the truth of what he considered to be Scripture. For example, do you affirm or deny that Psalm 19:7-11 expresses an accurate view of obeying the Law of God? Can you please explain how it is compatible for someone to affirm the truth of Psalm 19:7-11 as Scripture while also considering the Law of God to be an unbearable yoke?
Psalm 19:7-11
The law of the Lord is perfect,
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure,
enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the Lord is clean,
enduring forever;
the rules of the Lord are true,
and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey
and drippings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover, by them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.
The Law of God was given in order to teach us the way to be a doer of righteous works, but was never given as a way of becoming righteous as the result. The only way to become righteous is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough righteous works in order to earn it as the result, but by becoming righteous we are becoming a doer of righteous works (1 John 3:4-7, Isaiah 51:7), which is why the faith by which we are declared righteous apart works also upholds the Law of God (Romans 3:28-31). For example, the Law of God teaches us that it is righteous to be a doer of charity and we can be a doer of charity through faith by the leading of the Spirit. The Spirit leading us to be a doer of charity through faith is not leading us to do something that isn't in accordance with what the Law of God instructs. There is nothing about being a doer of charity that is an unbearable yoke.
Obviously. However, as this is a discussion forum, it makes sense to post things that are relevant to others and to the discussion at hand, not merely to yourself.