That right there is why I wont discuss it with you because this is how you are. Can you please go back to the other threads and leave mine alone, Please Sister?!
Are You Rapture Ready?
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That right there is why I wont discuss it with you because this is how you are. Can you please go back to the other threads and leave mine alone, Please Sister?!
Post-trib doctrine is actually God's doctrine:
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."
Jesus is talking about the 1st resurrection on the last day when He comes back for us. But God's people already know this. You will be culpable for all the people that don't belong to God who got fooled by you and other pre-tribbers.
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Jesus is talking about the 1st resurrection on the last day when He comes back for us. But God's people already know this. You will be culpable for all the people that don't belong to God who got fooled by you and other pre-tribbers.
Please be quiet.
If you keep holding on to the false pre-trib doctrine and fall away in the GT instead of enduring in Christ to the end, then that's a problem.
Just trying to help you to believe what Jesus simply said. If you endure in Christ all the way to Jesus's post-trib return for us, whether martyred or alive, then you truly are one of those the Father sent to Jesus for safe keeping.
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."
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In Rev 20
The NIV wording is "they came to life"
Nope, nope , nope.
The Greek says "they lived and reigned"
No resurrection alluded to at all.
In fact , it appears, that the martyrs are resurrected as the innumerable number DURING THE TRIB.
Why?
Because the martyrs are told to go back under the altar UNTIL THEIR NUMBER IS COMPLETED.
Then in Rev during the gt, we see martyrs in an innumerable number, in the general population, NOT UNDER THE ALTAR, indicating that the martyrs number is over and completed.
So...WHEN they are resurrected is most likely DURING THE TRIB.
WHY ???
Because the resurrection of the body is TO THE SUPPER...IN HEAVEN.
THAT IS WHY THE RAPTURE IS PRETRIB AND THE BRIDE IN THE GRAVE IS RESURRECTED.
IT IS to the wedding supper in heaven..
Postrib shallow doctrine destroys the concept of the PURPOSE of the bride in heaven IN RESURRECTED BODIES, OR RAPTURED BODIES.
There is Purpose in God.
Postrib doctrine is suffering and tribulation CENTERED.
Pretrib rapture prism is Jesus centered.
Bide and groom centered.
This is why postribbers are mean and attacking.
Jesus is nowhere in their doctrine.
He is overseeing their misery at a distance.
Perverted beyond belief.
It is comical and sad at the same time , seeing them claiming to be superior, and hating on Jesus' word and the bride.
You're an unrepentant false teacher.
2 Peter 2:1-3 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. In their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep."
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Most of the time when pre trib makes a comment the girl starts preaching about the antichrist and be ready for him, nothing about be ready for Jesus!
Has anyone ever told you that you're no fun to talk to or be around?
Do you have to be so abrasive with everyone? You play christian but refuse to even discuss scriptures that Pre tribbers post. How arrogant are you?
You want me to follow you maybe? Check your stuff, I'm not following you, where is the heart of Christ in your posts? Please clean up your act.
Read about all the people in the Bible who speak truth both in the new and old testament and also in Christian history. They are exactly accused of the same things you're accusing me.
You promote the false pre-trib doctrine when it is very clear and plainly said that Jesus said He will come for us on the last day. I'm fine being at odds with you.
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."
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Lol
NIV Stands for "Not Inspired Version"
Corinthians 11:19 "For there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized."
I thank God I'm not part of your heretic posse.
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."
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Be super vigilant to never, ever pray what Jesus commanded.
Luke 21:36 "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man"
( point that accusing fiinger at Jesus and tell him; ("HA HA I WILL NEVER PRAY YOUR BOGGUS ESCAPE MESS")
Jesus must be wrong.
Never pray that.
Instead center yourself on being trib centered.
Oh wait....nevermind.
You already champion that.
The accuser of the brethren is in your heart.
Your evil heart that thinks only postribbers belong to God.
Sad and it is worse that when called out you default into more accusations against the body of Christ.
You seriously need to understand, once you dig a hole with your erroneous beliefs, stop digging.
You seriously need some Jesus time.
He will soften your hard accusing heart .
Just plain bizarre what postribs get into.
Spirits taking them to barren land.
Hating the body of Christ.
Demons gathering in their false doctrine.
Accusing the body of Christ.
Shudder.
Yuck.
Spirits taking them to barren land.
Hating the body of Christ.
Demons gathering in their false doctrine.
Accusing the body of Christ.
Shudder.
Yuck.
Your heart is the one that's hardened.
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."
Even when Jesus Himself tells us that He will return for us after the GT, on the last day, you are still trying to fool the people who don't belong to God. That is still a grievous offense to God and you will answer for it.
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Yep, post-trib looking for the Wicked man of sin, son of perdition, but:
Pre-Trib God's Great Grace Departure! Is our "Blessed Hope!":
Precious friend(s):
Against post-trib idea of "looking, watching, And waiting for the Wicked one, the man
of sin, the son of Perdition, with signs and wonders, wrath, and "Israel's Great Tribulation!",
Paul Is Very Plain and Clear about The Body Of Christ!!:
While those who prefer God's Prophecy/Law Program, And "living by sight," Are looking,
watching, and anxiously waiting for the Wicked one, the man of sin, the son of Perdition...
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
...Plain And Clear Scriptures Supporting God's Imminent [ no 'signs' ] Great Grace Departure!:
...we, who "walk By faith, And Not by sight..." (2 Corinthians 5:7 AV),
According To The "Revelation Of The Mystery," God's Grace Program, Are:
Looking, Watching, Waiting For our Blessed Hope, The Holy One!:
”...The Coming Of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our
gathering together Unto Him…“ (2 Thessalonians 2:1 AV)
"For I reckon that The Sufferings of this present time are not
worthy to be compared with The Glory which shall be revealed
in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for
the manifestation of the sons of God...
...ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of The Spirit, even
we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for The Adoption,
to wit, The Redemption Of our body!" (Romans 8:18, 19, 23 AV)
"But if we hope for That we see not, then do
we with patience wait for It." (Romans 8:25 AV)
For The Redemption Of Christ?
"So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for The
Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ!" (1 Corinthians 1:7 AV)
"...And take the helmet of salvation, and The Sword Of The Spirit,
Which Is The Word Of God: praying always with all prayer and
supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all
perseverance and supplication for all saints…" (Ephesians 6:11-19 AV)
What?:
Watching/persevering The “future age” of Antichrist/Great-Trib,
or The Present Time “Age of Grace For infirmities" watching for:
Christ And Redemption?
"For our conversation [citizenship ] is in Heaven; from whence also we
look for The Saviour, The Lord Jesus Christ!" (Philippians 3:20 AV)
Looking for/persevering the Persecutor, or: For The Wonderful Saviour?
To slaves of The Lord Jesus Christ:
"...ye also have A Master in Heaven. Continue in prayer, and
watch in the same with thanksgiving; withal praying also for
us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak
The Mystery Of Christ…" (Colossians 4:1-3 AV)
Side note:
Our "enemy Hates This Mystery" More than anything, Correct?
{ we are repeatedly told "to sit down/shut up, stop studying this, it's a lie from the
pits of hell, it deceives people, causes them to 'take the mark of the beast', etc. etc. etc.}
But we believe this persecution gladly Pushes us Deeper into Scriptures
Such As 2 Timothy 2:12a and 1 Corinthians 15:58. Praise The Lord!
continuing with: "Looking, Watching, and Patiently Waiting For Whom?:
“And to wait for His SON from Heaven, Whom He Raised from the
dead, even Jesus, Which Delivered us from the wrath to come!"
(1 Thessalonians 1:10 AV) wrath of antichrist to come?
“Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are
not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as
do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep, sleep
in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate
of faith and love; and for a helmet, The Hope of Salvation. For God
Hath not Appointed us to wrath, but to obtain Salvation By our
Lord Jesus Christ, Who Died for us, that, whether we wake or
sleep, we Should Live Together With Him! Wherefore comfort
yourselves together and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
(1 Thessalonians 5:5-11 AV)
Please advise how we go into Great-Trib, When God Has Not
appointed us to, And Delivered us from, "the wrath to come"?
And, Finally:
“Looking for That Blessed Hope, and The Glorious Appearing
of The Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ!” (Titus 2:13 AV)
Conclusion:
Are we "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting for":
the Wicked one? Or The Holy One, The Lord Jesus Christ!?
About Colossians 3:2 AV: Is your affection = Things of earth = the wicked son of Perdition?. . . . . . . . . . and signs, wonders, and Great Tribulation???
Or “Things Of Heaven” = The Holy SON, The Lord Jesus Christ!?
. . . . . . . . . . . . And Glorious Redemption! = God's Great Grace Departure!
Amen.
'Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth' REV 3:10.
Clearly this means the Lord will keep believers from the 'hour of temptation' because He has no need of trying or proving them further. This makes sense to me as how the Lord would tend to His obedient children not just the church in Philadelphia.
The "wrath to come" in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 refers to the future, intense divine judgment, commonly known as the Day of the Lord or the Great Tribulation, which will fall upon the world for its rejection of God. Believers are delivered from this period of wrath through the return of Jesus Christ.
'Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man', Lk 21:36.
Clearly this means the Lord will keep believers from the 'hour of temptation' because He has no need of trying or proving them further. This makes sense to me as how the Lord would tend to His obedient children not just the church in Philadelphia.
The "wrath to come" in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 refers to the future, intense divine judgment, commonly known as the Day of the Lord or the Great Tribulation, which will fall upon the world for its rejection of God. Believers are delivered from this period of wrath through the return of Jesus Christ.
'Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man', Lk 21:36.
Amen Brother.
what post tribbers don't realize I think, is that when the rapture happens, the age of grace is over.
That IS rather abrasive. As much as I like you, I can't agree that someone with the proper fruit is condemned. Sorry.
So the GT is NOT the wrath of God on unrepentant souls & the fallen away church?