Are You Rapture Ready?

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faithlife said:
OK then, I'll answer for you...what you think is....the Body of Christ is going to be punished with the wicked.
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*Shrug* If that's what you want to think right now.

It's just better for reality to tell you when it happens. It's accurate versos your speculation right now.


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faithlife said:
IF the Body of Christ is here during God's wrath/the GT is He punishing us along with the wicked?
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Not at all. Abraham pointe out the nature of God prior to Sodom when.

Genesis 18, 25Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

The thing to notice about God's wrath it is death. We don't suffer the wrath of God, eternal death. The flood God killed the wicked. When his wrath fell on Jerusalem the Babylonian's killed the Jews. However, God works in conjunction his wrath in clear cases also will come with tribulation. So some wrath is final some has tribulation in it.

Romans 2, 8but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the [c]Greek;

Now tribulation it means to be hemmed in stuck in a narrow space. In modern times what we would call stuck between a rock and a hard place. What comes with that a decision how to get out of that place.

Not unlike a good number of us in the body of Christ our personal testimony is one of how we hit rock bottom before we came to the Lord.

So we can see examples of God's wrath him being provoked by Israel some died but others stuck in a place of tribulation turned back to God. The Judges and the back and forth of Israel. The golden calf some died others repented. Fall of Jerusalem some died and others led away to which Daniel and his writings come to us. So wrath and tribulation can and do work hand in hand and both present together throughout the bible.

In Luke Christ says it will be like the days of Noah and Lot. They are distinctive and how God kept each away from partaking of his wrath.


2Peter 2, 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

God saved Noah saved is phulassó: save, watch over set a guard over.

5442 phylássō (akin to 5441 /phýlaks, "a military guard") – properly, preserve by "having an eye on" (J. Thayer), referring to the uninterrupted vigilance shepherds show in keeping their flocks (see Lk 2:8, used with 5438 /phylakḗ, "a military guard," i.e. exercising unbroken vigilance as a military guard).

5442 /phylássō ("keep watch over, keep secure") emphasizes the needed vigilance to keep what is entrusted. Thus 5442 (phylássō) is often used in the NT in the Greek middle voice meaning, "Personally be on guard against," stressing the constant, personal interest involved with the guarding.


Verses 6-7
6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Delivered is rhuomai: deliver, rescue, save.
4506 rhýomai (from eryō, "draw to oneself") – properly, draw (pull) to oneself; to rescue ("snatch up"); to draw or rescue a person to and for the deliverer.


So no those who come to Christ and are in him will not face the wrath of during the tribulation. He will save them from that but they will die at the hands of the evil one. However, they will face tribulation from God as I believe that there are some who will never come to Christ unless such a rock and a hard place happens as that is the extent they must go to to surrender.

Much more but for those delivered such as Lot, what we would call the pretrib it is Passover. That is what the pretrib rapture truly is, Passover as the wrath falls.

I don't know why exactly but God has set a precedent of eating with his before his wrath falls. Moses and Israel in Egypt. Abraham with God before Sodom. Lot with the angels before that destruction. Christ before his death, before he faced the wrath of God for us.

Luke22, 15And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

then in the next verse 16 he says, For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

We have been taught it means Christ won't eat anymore until we all do. That is not it, he says I will not anymore eat thereof. The thereof he is speaking about and what it points to is Passover. Which he says he will eat it again when it is fulfilled in the kingdom.

So the pretrib in part is Passover in the kingdom that meal before the wrath falls.

I have to get for today have run out of free time. If interested I can show in the old and new testaments this is what it is. I have to get but if interested I can make some time in the next days to show so in the old and new.
 
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This right here is a perfect example His not ours His Church is not ready. Something so simple.. "are you caught up (rapture) ready?" Who here cares if I am pre or post tribulation? You care if I am ready to meet Him now. Shared before.. goes nowhere ok praise God but I know my personal view on this and I read how other feel about this that differ then mine and? Yeah nothing... I just disagree. Some of you make it personal Pffft let me explain that "typically means that certain people take a situation, comment, or issue in a way that feels directed at them individually, often involving emotions or feelings rather than just the general topic. It suggests that instead of viewing something objectively or generally, those people interpret it as a personal attack, criticism, or involvement."

Are we caught up ready for Him to voice, shout, trump of God coming in the clouds or not? Its not unless I read wrong.. not about what you personally believe on this subject that you know very well is soooo debated. So no I am not ready. I know what I believe but my life my choices my thoughts...the way I treat His kids.. His creation...sharing Him with all I meet.. no I am not living as if He was coming today. So let it be written.. ooh trust me.. it ALL is written recorded.. Father forgive me help me be ready for that voice, shout, trump of God today.
 
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stilllearning said:
Not at all. Abraham pointe out the nature of God prior to Sodom when.

Genesis 18, 25Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

The thing to notice about God's wrath it is death. We don't suffer the wrath of God, eternal death. The flood God killed the wicked. When his wrath fell on Jerusalem the Babylonian's killed the Jews. However, God works in conjunction his wrath in clear cases also will come with tribulation. So some wrath is final some has tribulation in it.

Romans 2, 8but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the [c]Greek;

Now tribulation it means to be hemmed in stuck in a narrow space. In modern times what we would call stuck between a rock and a hard place. What comes with that a decision how to get out of that place.

Not unlike a good number of us in the body of Christ our personal testimony is one of how we hit rock bottom before we came to the Lord.

So we can see examples of God's wrath him being provoked by Israel some died but others stuck in a place of tribulation turned back to God. The Judges and the back and forth of Israel. The golden calf some died others repented. Fall of Jerusalem some died and others led away to which Daniel and his writings come to us. So wrath and tribulation can and do work hand in hand and both present together throughout the bible.

In Luke Christ says it will be like the days of Noah and Lot. They are distinctive and how God kept each away from partaking of his wrath.


2Peter 2, 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

God saved Noah saved is phulassó: save, watch over set a guard over.

5442 phylássō (akin to 5441 /phýlaks, "a military guard") – properly, preserve by "having an eye on" (J. Thayer), referring to the uninterrupted vigilance shepherds show in keeping their flocks (see Lk 2:8, used with 5438 /phylakḗ, "a military guard," i.e. exercising unbroken vigilance as a military guard).

5442 /phylássō ("keep watch over, keep secure") emphasizes the needed vigilance to keep what is entrusted. Thus 5442 (phylássō) is often used in the NT in the Greek middle voice meaning, "Personally be on guard against," stressing the constant, personal interest involved with the guarding.


Verses 6-7
6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Delivered is rhuomai: deliver, rescue, save.
4506 rhýomai (from eryō, "draw to oneself") – properly, draw (pull) to oneself; to rescue ("snatch up"); to draw or rescue a person to and for the deliverer.


So no those who come to Christ and are in him will not face the wrath of during the tribulation. He will save them from that but they will die at the hands of the evil one. However, they will face tribulation from God as I believe that there are some who will never come to Christ unless such a rock and a hard place happens as that is the extent they must go to to surrender.

Much more but for those delivered such as Lot, what we would call the pretrib it is Passover. That is what the pretrib rapture truly is, Passover as the wrath falls.

I don't know why exactly but God has set a precedent of eating with his before his wrath falls. Moses and Israel in Egypt. Abraham with God before Sodom. Lot with the angels before that destruction. Christ before his death, before he faced the wrath of God for us.

Luke22, 15And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

then in the next verse 16 he says, For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

We have been taught it means Christ won't eat anymore until we all do. That is not it, he says I will not anymore eat thereof. The thereof he is speaking about and what it points to is Passover. Which he says he will eat it again when it is fulfilled in the kingdom.

So the pretrib in part is Passover in the kingdom that meal before the wrath falls.

I have to get for today have run out of free time. If interested I can show in the old and new testaments this is what it is. I have to get but if interested I can make some time in the next days to show so in the old and new.
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I'm in agreement Passover is the time to be watchful
 
Blade said:
This right here is a perfect example His not ours His Church is not ready. Something so simple.. "are you caught up (rapture) ready?" Who here cares if I am pre or post tribulation? You care if I am ready to meet Him now. Shared before.. goes nowhere ok praise God but I know my personal view on this and I read how other feel about this that differ then mine and? Yeah nothing... I just disagree. Some of you make it personal Pffft let me explain that "typically means that certain people take a situation, comment, or issue in a way that feels directed at them individually, often involving emotions or feelings rather than just the general topic. It suggests that instead of viewing something objectively or generally, those people interpret it as a personal attack, criticism, or involvement."

Are we caught up ready for Him to voice, shout, trump of God coming in the clouds or not? Its not unless I read wrong.. not about what you personally believe on this subject that you know very well is soooo debated. So no I am not ready. I know what I believe but my life my choices my thoughts...the way I treat His kids.. His creation...sharing Him with all I meet.. no I am not living as if He was coming today. So let it be written.. ooh trust me.. it ALL is written recorded.. Father forgive me help me be ready for that voice, shout, trump of God today.
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The eating part is interesting! Something I'll look into.

I'm still going by whar Jesus said though. Thannks for an interesting read. Looking forward to the other stuff if you want to post it.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
*Shrug* If that's what you want to think right now.
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Why can't you tell me that?

2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
You obviously just want to argue.
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Actually it was an honest question.

2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Because you'll just debate over it and nothing gets resolved.
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You see, it was this statement of yours where you basically said, if I try to debate this nothing will get resolved (To who's satisfaction? Bet I can guess!)

So we all would appreciate an answer to my question to you and not just more disparaging comments to deflect the question.

You are beginning to make me wonder if this is a spiritual attack on me from you or who's behind you?

Why does it have to be resolved? Why can't we agree to disagree? I believe that you are trying to silence me.
Go make me a sandwich.
 
stilllearning said:
Not at all. Abraham pointe out the nature of God prior to Sodom when.

Genesis 18, 25Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

The thing to notice about God's wrath it is death. We don't suffer the wrath of God, eternal death. The flood God killed the wicked. When his wrath fell on Jerusalem the Babylonian's killed the Jews. However, God works in conjunction his wrath in clear cases also will come with tribulation. So some wrath is final some has tribulation in it.

Romans 2, 8but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the [c]Greek;

Now tribulation it means to be hemmed in stuck in a narrow space. In modern times what we would call stuck between a rock and a hard place. What comes with that a decision how to get out of that place.

Not unlike a good number of us in the body of Christ our personal testimony is one of how we hit rock bottom before we came to the Lord.

So we can see examples of God's wrath him being provoked by Israel some died but others stuck in a place of tribulation turned back to God. The Judges and the back and forth of Israel. The golden calf some died others repented. Fall of Jerusalem some died and others led away to which Daniel and his writings come to us. So wrath and tribulation can and do work hand in hand and both present together throughout the bible.

In Luke Christ says it will be like the days of Noah and Lot. They are distinctive and how God kept each away from partaking of his wrath.


2Peter 2, 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

God saved Noah saved is phulassó: save, watch over set a guard over.

5442 phylássō (akin to 5441 /phýlaks, "a military guard") – properly, preserve by "having an eye on" (J. Thayer), referring to the uninterrupted vigilance shepherds show in keeping their flocks (see Lk 2:8, used with 5438 /phylakḗ, "a military guard," i.e. exercising unbroken vigilance as a military guard).

5442 /phylássō ("keep watch over, keep secure") emphasizes the needed vigilance to keep what is entrusted. Thus 5442 (phylássō) is often used in the NT in the Greek middle voice meaning, "Personally be on guard against," stressing the constant, personal interest involved with the guarding.


Verses 6-7
6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Delivered is rhuomai: deliver, rescue, save.
4506 rhýomai (from eryō, "draw to oneself") – properly, draw (pull) to oneself; to rescue ("snatch up"); to draw or rescue a person to and for the deliverer.


So no those who come to Christ and are in him will not face the wrath of during the tribulation. He will save them from that but they will die at the hands of the evil one. However, they will face tribulation from God as I believe that there are some who will never come to Christ unless such a rock and a hard place happens as that is the extent they must go to to surrender.

Much more but for those delivered such as Lot, what we would call the pretrib it is Passover. That is what the pretrib rapture truly is, Passover as the wrath falls.

I don't know why exactly but God has set a precedent of eating with his before his wrath falls. Moses and Israel in Egypt. Abraham with God before Sodom. Lot with the angels before that destruction. Christ before his death, before he faced the wrath of God for us.

Luke22, 15And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

then in the next verse 16 he says, For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

We have been taught it means Christ won't eat anymore until we all do. That is not it, he says I will not anymore eat thereof. The thereof he is speaking about and what it points to is Passover. Which he says he will eat it again when it is fulfilled in the kingdom.

So the pretrib in part is Passover in the kingdom that meal before the wrath falls.

I have to get for today have run out of free time. If interested I can show in the old and new testaments this is what it is. I have to get but if interested I can make some time in the next days to show so in the old and new.
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Thanks for pointing out Genesis 18, 25"Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
I have been looking for that scripture for a while, lol.
 
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Edward429451 said:
Why can't you tell me that?



Actually it was an honest question.



You see, it was this statement of yours where you basically said, if I try to debate this nothing will get resolved (To who's satisfaction? Bet I can guess!)

So we all would appreciate an answer to my question to you and not just more disparaging comments to deflect the question.

You are beginning to make me wonder if this is a spiritual attack on me from you or who's behind you?

Why does it have to be resolved? Why can't we agree to disagree? I believe that you are trying to silence me.
Go make me a sandwich.
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Different people, diiferent answers..


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Psalm1 said:
If you change the setting?
"Buying, selling, eating, planning for the future......AHEM...ONE TAKEN, ONE LEFT BEHIND"
1) Your claiming the wicked taken before the flood ?
A pretrib wicked rapture?
Huh ?
2) Jesus says half are taken. Your doctrine now has half the world righteous and going through the flood? Again, a pretrib rapture of a made up theory that half the world is saved????, half the world is wicked and raptured pretrib??????
3) there never has been 50% righteous (born again) and never will be.
4) the Greek word for "taken" is to a good place. Your doctrine claims the opposite.
5) half of a group are taken?. ( or maybe you change that also?)
6) half of what group?
7) in the same breath as "half taken" before the flood, Jesus says half the righteous are taken in the 10 virgins.
Half of a small group.
8) you are aware that YOU ACTUALLY NEED THE RAPTURE POST FLOOD?????
9) Contrary to your beliefs, Noah RETURNS POSTFLOOD BACK TO EARTH WITH FAMILY, HAVING BEEN MILES ABOVE THE EARTH DURING THE TRIB.

ALL THAT, Is miles from your doctrine.
And Jesus words that you reject
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I claimed nothing, Lord Jesus did. It is you who rejected His word, that those who still "eat, drink and get merry" are "taken", not me. You're deceiving by omission, in this case, deceiving with Matt. 24:40-41 by omitting Matt. 24:38-39.
 
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Psalm1 said:
Bingo.
A gathering of the living , BEFORE THE DEAD IN CHRIST.

Again, you have , in your doctrine, the dead In Christ of first thesalonians 4, resurrected after the living of rev 14:14 are gathered.
Hard to wiggle out of what's written in the bible.
You going to change Paul's words?
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I changed nothing, I asked you, where is this "zeroth resurrection" before that? It is Paul's doctrine that the dead must rise first, not mine.
 
Psalm1 said:
Kindergarten.
The point is, you never knew Jesus us the firstfruits.
Apparently you still can't bring yourself over the target.
Instead you divert to literal harvest.

....which you don't even connect the dots there either.

Ahem....FIRSTS FRUITS ...JESUS...POINTS TO THE RESURRECTION BEING IN PARTS.

You claim to define firstfruits. You claim you have scripture.
You fail to incorporate firstfruits into harvest.

Those dots are so basic to connect.
And you can not even understand it.

That is profound that that doctrine has you dodging the incredibly obvious.

Could it be firstfruits has sunk your deal?

That was too easy.
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Scripture defines scripture, you don't. You don't know the difference between the SHEAF of firstfruits and the HARVEST of firstfrutis, and have no response to the biblical definition of either in Lev. 23. All you've got is taunting and scoffing.
 
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