I agree. You misread it.
What is the sin the Angels are currently being held for in Tartarus?
As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself
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What is the sin the Angels are currently being held for in Tartarus?
I have no idea, but the writings of Peter and Jude clearly don't say it was because of sexual sin with women
Sorry meant to say the dudes think the sons of Gid in Job are human Beings. Absurdly ridiculous.
It says they went after “strange flesh” in a sexual manner, just as the Sodomites went after strange flesh. (Same sex).
Why? Sons of God are those who live by faith, whereas sons of men are those who live according to the longings of their flesh. That distinction is very clear in Genesis.
That position, while comfortable, is without scriptural or linguistic support.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
With one sentence, we see it's all tied together by the knot of sexual sin.
That position, while comfortable, is without scriptural or linguistic support.
That's what I mean by reading it wrong. It doesn't say the angels went after strange flesh just as those in Sodom did, but that Sodom, and in like manner the cities surrounding them, went after strange flesh
I'm 100% convincd the godly seed of Adam were led by the spirit and his ungodly seed were led by the flesh
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14
Now that is a fair, if not erroneous, statement.
However, your Romans verse, as you would define it via LXX, is a non sequitur.
Perhaps we should look deeper at your "godly seed of Adam".
Missler laid it out:
In Luke's genealogy of Jesus, only Adam is called a "son of God." The entire Biblical drama deals with the tragedy that humankind is a fallen race, with Adam's initial immortality forfeited. Christ uniquely gives them that receive Him the power to become the sons of God. Being born again of the Spirit of God, as an entirely new creation, at their resurrection they alone will be clothed with a building of God and in every respect equal to the angels. The very term oiketerion, alluding to the heavenly body with which the believer longs to be clothed, is the precise term used for the heavenly bodies from which the fallen angels had disrobed.
Why don't you try explaining yourself instead of just taking pot shots and running off, requiring me to respond to get clarification? How is it erroneous and a non sequitur?
The sons of Elohim are even contrasted with the sons of Adam in Psalm 82:1, 6 and warned that if they go on with the evil identified in verse 2, they would die like Adam (man). When our Lord quoted this verse (John 10:34), He made no mention of what order of beings God addressed in this Psalm but that the Word of God was inviolate whether the beings in question were angels or men.
[Psa. 82:1 - God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa. 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.]
[John 10:34 - Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?]
[Psa. 82:1 - God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa. 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.]
[John 10:34 - Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?]
Cmon guy. You’re going to tell us you believe the sons of God that shouted for joy upon God creating the Universe were Human Beings?
He's admonishing them to walk like sons of God after the spirit, and forsake walking like sons of men after the flesh.
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Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (John 17:17).
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Certainly, that's always a part of it, but it's not the gist here.
You'll need to come up to speed re: the LXX and realize it for the corrupt invention it is. Integrity is vital; once you decide to go with the Holy Bible, your angst will diminish and your discernment will increase.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (John 17:17).
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That's just your opinion, and not an authoritative one IMO. It certainly isn't perfect, but neither is the Masoretic Text.
Divine Beings = Angels
וַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ׃
the divine beings saw how pleasing the human women were and took wives from among those who delighted them.—
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
וַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ׃
the divine beings saw how pleasing the human women were and took wives from among those who delighted them.—
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
Rather, documentation, and not mere opinion or rhetoric, has indeed been posted. If you expect to be successful in this spiritual war, then you will need the best spiritual weapon. For the follower of Jesus Christ, that would be the Holy Bible and not an invention (e.g. LXX).
The Final Authority:
As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him. For who is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God? It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect. (Psalm 18).
Exactly!!!!!
The Hebrew term is “Beni Elohim” in both Genesis and Job. Consult a concordance like Strongs.
Maybe I can get you to see truth after all.