Asking the Father for his Spirit.

[Wansvic]

Don't mistake receiving the Spirit itself (Acts 2:38) with the physical, miraculous manifestations of the Spirit (commonly referred to as gifts) which required the laying on of the apostle's hands in order to enable their manifistasion

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
Acts 2:4

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33

 

[Karlon]

Luke 18:19

King James Version

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

God is good, if you ask him for his Spirit he will give it to you.

(this is from BibleGateway, I think)

especially when being born again! the best way to get the H.S. in your life is by Him getting more of you 1st! praise the great comforter & teacher!!

 

[sawdust]

Your post clearly contains much personal opinion. And I have to say, I always find it amusing when those who have not had the experience try to educate those who have.

I find it amusing when the presumptions of others are in error and sit back all smug thinking they know something when in fact they don't.

 

[sawdust]

Food for thought...

"But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost," Jude 17-20

"Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:" Mark 3:28-29

More food for thought ...

Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Psalm 119:11
Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You.

 

[studentoftheword]

Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? (Acts 19) Paul's question reveals the Holy Ghost is not automatically received upon belief. The Samaritan account confirms this as well. (Acts 8:12-17)

You receive the Holy Spirit when you confess your Faith out loud and believe in your Heart that Jesus shed His Blood to cover your sins ----was crucified was buried and rose again -----scripture says then you are Saved -----

You need the right Faith to be saved ---Human or intellectual faith will not save you ------God's faith believes in the unseen not the seen -----

 

[Lafftur]

But we can ask for it right? I mean, like you said,, it's a gift. and I would like that gift; God willing.

Yes, you can ALWAYS ask God for His Gift of the Holy Spirit.

ALL the gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today. None of the gifts have ever stopped. The Body of Christ needs these gifts flowing in us. The gifts do NOT stop until we are taken from the Earth.

I pray our Heavenly Father God stir up and spring up the refreshing well in your belly of the Holy Spirit so that rivers of living water flow in you, through you and out of you, and the gift of tongues come forth, in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ, amen!

 

[Lafftur]

Not sure exactly what you are asking in relation to "asking the Father for the Spirit" but tongues and prophecy was certainly a sign of being baptized by the Holy Spirit in those early days.

…and those same signs of speaking in tongues and prophecy continue TODAY.

 

[Lafftur]

I have asked for the gift of the Holy Spirit too, and then prayed to be filled and to give a full measure back. I seem, at times, to have a problem of giving a full measure back though.

Sweet @tourist

May you always be continually filled and overflowing with the Holy Spirit equipping you to speak the Word of God with His Power and His Love and His Truth, in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ, amen and amen!

 

[daisyseesthesun]

but there remain Christians who can speak in tongues today. I don't believe what you are saying is quite accurate.

John 8:58 🕊️ #bible #bibleverse #jesus #christian #jesuschrist #god #gym #motivation #love (youtube.com)

 

[Wansvic]

You receive the Holy Spirit when you confess your Faith out loud and believe in your Heart that Jesus shed His Blood to cover your sins ----was crucified was buried and rose again -----scripture says then you are Saved -----

You need the right Faith to be saved ---Human or intellectual faith will not save you ------God's faith believes in the unseen not the seen -----

The scriptures refute your understanding of how people receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-7. Acts 8:12-18) And, Jesus stated that everyone will be judged by the word not personal opinion. "Be ye doers of the word not hearers only, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." (James 1:22, John 8:30-32) As, all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Tim. 3:16)

 

[Webers.Home]

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● Eph 1:13-14 . . In him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed
with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance until the
redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

The Greek word for "pledge" in that passage means pretty much the same
thing as its Hebrew equivalent in Gen 38:16-17 but with a little extra.

Real estate transactions usually involve a sum called the earnest money.
Although it may be applied towards the purchase price of property, earnest
money itself serves a specific purpose of its own in the real estate business.
In some quarters; this is also called good-faith money.

When the contract, and all the other necessary documents are submitted to
Escrow, the buyer is required to also submit a token amount of the purchase
price. It's usually a relatively small number of dollars compared to the full
price of the property. I think ours was just $1,000 back in 1988 on a
$74,000 home. When the buyer follows through on their intent to purchase
the property, the good-faith money (minus some Escrow fees of course
goes towards the purchase.

However, if the buyer decides to renege, then they forfeit the good faith
money. No doubt that's done to discourage vacillating buyers from fiddling
around with other people's time and money.

So then, since the Spirit is the pledge spoken of in Eph 1:13-14; then should
God betray a believer's trust by reneging on His promise to spare people
who hear and believe the gospel, then He forfeits the Spirit; and the believer
has the right to keep it regardless of their afterlife destiny.
_

 

[tourist]

Sweet @tourist

May you always be continually filled and overflowing with the Holy Spirit equipping you to speak the Word of God with His Power and His Love and His Truth, in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ, amen and amen!

Thank you for your kind words. It means a lot to me.

 

[studentoftheword]

The scriptures refute your understanding of how people receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-7. Acts 8:12-18

LOL ---your ignorance is showing in your understanding of Scripture ------you need to rely on the Holy Spirit to help you in your quest to Rightly Divide the Word of God -----instead of taking Scripture out of Context and using it to suit your own human understanding of the scripture you quoted ----you need to go back to acts 2 and read it ------

You cannot be saved without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in you -----and the laying of of hands in your Scripture was the Holy Spirit coming upon them ---like tongues of fire at Pentecost --------which is the infilling of the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues so they could teach the Gospel to all in their own languages ---prophesied ----cast out demons ---heal the sick ----etc -----

There is a difference in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which makes you heaven bound ---and the infilling of the Holy Spirit which gives you the power to do God's work ---and perform Miracles ---


This is the Scripture for people to get saved ----the Holy Spirit comes immediately to indwell in the Believer upon Believing and receiving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour ----the InFilling of the Holy Spirit is needed for the 9 Gifts of the Holy Spirit -----Healing ---casting out demons ----speaking in tongues etc --

Notice ----you will Be Saved ---is a Promise ---and no one is saved without the INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit ----

You need to do what the scripture tells you to do which is in all your getting Get Understanding ---

 

[Wansvic]

LOL ---your ignorance is showing in your understanding of Scripture ------you need to rely on the Holy Spirit to help you in your quest to Rightly Divide the Word of God -----instead of taking Scripture out of Context and using it to suit your own human understanding of the scripture you quoted ----you need to go back to acts 2 and read it ------

You cannot be saved without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in you -----and the laying of of hands in your Scripture was the Holy Spirit coming upon them ---like tongues of fire at Pentecost --------which is the infilling of the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues so they could teach the Gospel to all in their own languages ---prophesied ----cast out demons ---heal the sick ----etc -----

There is a difference in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which makes you heaven bound ---and the infilling of the Holy Spirit which gives you the power to do God's work ---and perform Miracles ---


This is the Scripture for people to get saved ----the Holy Spirit comes immediately to indwell in the Believer upon Believing and receiving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour ----the InFilling of the Holy Spirit is needed for the 9 Gifts of the Holy Spirit -----Healing ---casting out demons ----speaking in tongues etc --

Notice ----you will Be Saved ---is a Promise ---and no one is saved without the INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit ----

You need to do what the scripture tells you to do which is in all your getting Get Understanding ---

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The Acts 2 account aligns with both the Acts 8 and 19 accounts. The people were not spontaneously filled with the Holy Ghost at the moment believed.

 

[Wansvic]

...

There is a difference in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which makes you heaven bound ---and the infilling of the Holy Spirit which gives you the power to do God's work ---and perform Miracles ---
...

To be indwelt is to be filled. The experience is one in the same as revealed in Acts 2. As well as other scripture. (Acts 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7) Empowerment is a direct result of the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost.

"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, (the Holy Ghost) which, saith he, ye have heard of me (a reference to John 16:7) ...

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. " Acts 1:4, 8

The actual event Jesus spoke of:
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:1-4

 

[Cameron143]

To be indwelt is to be filled. The experience is one in the same as revealed in Acts 2. As well as other scripture. (Acts 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7) Empowerment is a direct result of the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost.

"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, (the Holy Ghost) which, saith he, ye have heard of me (a reference to John 16:7) ...

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. " Acts 1:4, 8

The actual event Jesus spoke of:
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:1-4

Aren't Christians commanded to be filled with the Spirit? Are they continually saved? When they aren't filled with the Spirit are they no longer saved? And without the Spirit, do they no longer belong to Christ?

 

[studentoftheword]

To be indwelt is to be filled.

No it is NOT ----the Same ---your ignorance is showing here as well ---research it and rely on your indwelling of the Holy Spirit to give you the correct understanding ----

John 20 ---here the Disciples receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----from Who -----Jesus ---who has not ascended yet to His Father ---- he hasn't been Raptured up to heaven here ----

Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Here at Pentecost ----They receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit to do God's work ----tongues of Fire --came upon them ----


Acts 2:1-13

New International Version

The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.

2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.

3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

2 separate events ------one indwelled with the Holy Spirit and one Filled with the Holy Spirit ----

In All YOUR Getting ----GET Understanding -----

 

[sawdust]

The Acts 2 account aligns with both the Acts 8 and 19 accounts. The people were not spontaneously filled with the Holy Ghost at the moment believed.

What about all the times they were?

Day of Pentecost and the 3,000 thousand that were added that day. Peter said they would receive the Spirit, no need to ask. Acts 2:1-4 and v.41

Then we have those who were added daily to the Church as the Apostles ministered. Acts 2:47

Then we have the five thousand who were added after the lame man was healed. Acts 4:4

And of course Cornelius. Acts 10:44

What are we to think? That all these believers never received the Spirit? Not a one was ever told to ask for the Spirit nor did they all have hands laid on them. Do you not think if asking was crucial to salvation or the need for the laying on of hands, the scriptures would state this categorically. Afterall, there is no doubt the scriptures teach salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

Instead, you build your doctrine on two events only, one of which concerned disciples of John the Baptist and the other may well have been the Lord waiting in order to expose a believer whose heart was not right because he believed for the wrong reasons. A good lesson for us all.

Being filled with the Spirit means having real power, not everyone can handle that straight away. So if we don't see everyone who is saved displaying great power the moment they believe, should we be surprised?

Without the filling of the Spirit we cannot walk the Christian walk. Whether we are old or young in the Lord (spiritually speaking) we all need to to be filled with His Spirit or we cannot live the life Christ died to give us. Paul commanded that we be filled with the Spirit (Eph.5:18) that can only happen as we follow His truth. The moment we break fellowship and sin, we need to apply 1John 1:9 to recover fellowship and be filled with the Spirit again.

The Lord Jesus promised the Spirit would come. He always keeps His promises.

 

[sawdust]

No it is NOT ----the Same ---your ignorance is showing here as well ---research it and rely on your indwelling of the Holy Spirit to give you the correct understanding ----

John 20 ---here the Disciples receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----from Who -----Jesus ---who has not ascended yet to His Father ---- he hasn't been Raptured up to heaven here ----

Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Here at Pentecost ----They receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit to do God's work ----tongues of Fire --came upon them ----


Acts 2:1-13

New International Version

The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.

2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.

3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

2 separate events ------one indwelled with the Holy Spirit and one Filled with the Holy Spirit ----

In All YOUR Getting ----GET Understanding -----

I think you have that back to front.

In John 20 they were given the Spirit much like the prophets of old. It was an empowerment to aid them as they waited for the baptism of the Spirit by which they would be indwelt, filled, sealed and gifted. John 20 tells us Jesus breathed on them, not in them.

The Spirit wasn't given as a permanent indwelling presence until after Jesus was glorified. Pentecost is the promise fulfilled.

John 7:39
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

 

[studentoftheword]

I think you have that back to front.

In John 20 they were given the Spirit much like the prophets of old. It was an empowerment to aid them as they waited for the baptism of the Spirit by which they would be indwelt, filled, sealed and gifted. John 20 tells us Jesus breathed on them, not in them.

The Spirit wasn't given as a permanent indwelling presence until after Jesus was glorified. Pentecost is the promise fulfilled.

No ----I think you need to do a little more research on this ----

Jesus was Glorified ----Jesus was glorified with what He accomplished on the Cross -----His crucifixion --death ---and resurrection and being able to be caught up on a cloud made Him Glorified ---He had a Glorified Body that was able to go through a closed door ------He did not have to wait to go to His Father to be Glorified -----

Greek word for Glorify

Strong's Concordance
endoxazomai: to glorify

endoksázō– viewed in high, personal esteem, befitting great (intrinsic) worth, perceived in a state (condition) to glorify, adorn with glory" expressing the dignity (exalted status) of something and viewed "in a state of high honor and repute"


John 12:20-23----Verse 23

New International Version

Jesus Predicts His Death
20 Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the festival. 21 They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.” 22 Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus.

23 Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.


In John 20 --------------they RECEIVE the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ------Jesus is Glorified

Jesus Appears to His Disciples -----NIV

19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”


NOTE HERE ---RECEIVE the Holy Spirit ------In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit would Come upon a person they did not Receive the Holy Spirit ------

Greek word for RECEIVE

Strong's Concordance

dechomai: to receive​

I take, to take hold of, to receive, get, to become a partaker of the benefits of God's kingdom