Assurance of Salvation

[MsMediator]

I have noticed, among self-acknowleged Christians, some Christians take the "Woohoo, I'm saved!" outlook, whereas other Christians still have a sincere fear of going to hell. The first group seems to be more carefree and without fear, whereas the second group still a bit unsure and cannot answer with 100 percent certainty if they are saved. The second group tends to be more fearful that Jesus will say that they did not do enough. Who is right? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Please support with Scripture. Which group are you in? I tend to be in the first group, but I can also see the second group's view.

 

[shittim]

Looks like this started with the RCC, making the goal salvation, which they said you had to go through them to get. People reached that place and rested there, still do.
The Biblical way is accept His free gift of salvation, renew the mind, seek and walkout His guidance to the glory of the Kingdom forevermore, in Jesus name.
Jesus modeled how the Father desires we all live, He only did and said what He saw the Father do and say.
That is how it looks from here at midnight
blessings

 

[Eli1]

I have noticed, among self-acknowleged Christians, some Christians take the "Woohoo, I'm saved!" outlook, whereas other Christians still have a sincere fear of going to hell. The first group seems to be more carefree and without fear, whereas the second group still a bit unsure and cannot answer with 100 percent certainty if they are saved. The second group tends to be more fearful that Jesus will say that they did not do enough. Who is right? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Please support with Scripture. Which group are you in? I tend to be in the first group, but I can also see the second group's view.

I’m in the 3rd group ( ) who says : Thank you Jesus for getting to know you now so I can live in this fallen world.

 

[GWH]

Looks like this started with the RCC, making the goal salvation, which they said you had to go through them to get. People reached that place and rested there, still do.
The Biblical way is accept His free gift of salvation, renew the mind, seek and walkout His guidance to the glory of the Kingdom forevermore, in Jesus name.
Jesus modeled how the Father desires we all live, He only did and said what He saw the Father do and say.
That is how it looks from here at midnight
blessings

The goal is always salvation, and the Way is via what you described, NOT by belonging to any denomination, and teaching that it is by that method is the mark of a cult.

 

[Jordon]

I have noticed, among self-acknowleged Christians, some Christians take the "Woohoo, I'm saved!" outlook, whereas other Christians still have a sincere fear of going to hell. The first group seems to be more carefree and without fear, whereas the second group still a bit unsure and cannot answer with 100 percent certainty if they are saved. The second group tends to be more fearful that Jesus will say that they did not do enough. Who is right? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Please support with Scripture. Which group are you in? I tend to be in the first group, but I can also see the second group's view.

Well I know people have little treasure boxes they put stuff into.

And you can even put notes in those treasure boxes.

And if you open a treasure box everyday to take a treasure to wear, you could see a note like, I'm only interested in living by God's treasured notes that lead to treasures in heaven.

 

[mailmandan]

1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Prior to my conversion, I had no assurance of salvation because I was trusting in works for salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone. It was not until after my conversion that I could say I believe in the name of the Son of God and know that I have eternal life. Praise God!

 

[shittim]

The goal is always salvation, and the Way is via what you described, NOT by belonging to any denomination, and teaching that it is by that method is the mark of a cult.

The goal is to be conformed to the image of the Son. Salvation is only the beginning of the process, see, they got you too.

 

[GWH]

The goal is to be conformed to the image of the Son. Salvation is only the beginning of the process, see, they got you too.

I see that you don’t like to be agreed with, but it is certain that if God is false then life is a hopeless farce.

 

[shittim]

Nothing about "being agreed with", the devil wants people to "agree "with him.
If the words "I, me, mine". are in our vocabulary we aren't where we need to be.
In Christ we are no longer our own, we are being conformed to His image.
The Bible supports this, not merely reaching salvation and resting there as most do.

 

[BonnieClaire]

The Lord is my assurance of salvation . . .

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[BillyBob]

I have noticed, among self-acknowleged Christians, some Christians take the "Woohoo, I'm saved!" outlook, whereas other Christians still have a sincere fear of going to hell. The first group seems to be more carefree and without fear, whereas the second group still a bit unsure and cannot answer with 100 percent certainty if they are saved. The second group tends to be more fearful that Jesus will say that they did not do enough. Who is right? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Please support with Scripture. Which group are you in? I tend to be in the first group, but I can also see the second group's view.

I think that a Christian must first believe in the things that God has done:

i.e.
Did He part the sea?
Did He walk on water?
Did He cause the axe-head to float?
Did He heal the sick?
Did He raise the dead?

If you believe that God did these things, then you should certainly trust/believe that He can save a sinner.
It's not what you have done, it's what He has done!

 

[shittim]

Jesus was clear, in these days most have an outward form of godliness, denying the power, whereas His Own, will do greater works than He, some of us are seeing these at this time.
Attributed to Billy Sunday, "walking into a church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than walking into a garage will make you a car", it seems mere mental assent to His life here misses the mark, Jesus also taught how there will be some who do miracles in His name, yet He "knew" them not.
Every gift Jesus manifested is available to every believer.
We are required to walk in relationship here before we join Him to be together forever.
blessings, friends.

 

[homwardbound]

I have noticed, among self-acknowleged Christians, some Christians take the "Woohoo, I'm saved!" outlook, whereas other Christians still have a sincere fear of going to hell. The first group seems to be more carefree and without fear, whereas the second group still a bit unsure and cannot answer with 100 percent certainty if they are saved. The second group tends to be more fearful that Jesus will say that they did not do enough. Who is right? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Please support with Scripture. Which group are you in? I tend to be in the first group, but I can also see the second group's view.

Matthew 14:31
And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Genesis 37:33
And he knew it, and said, It is my son's coat; an evil beast hath devoured him; Joseph is without doubt rent in pieces.

As a person believes is how one, anyone sees, watch and see to not swallow camels, straining g out gnats only.

Proverbs 23:1-7

Doubt as in Isaiah 7:9 stops people and these have troubles
you see, by what you believe, and you can be deceived as
Jacob was by the enemy, convinced him Joseph was killed and was not!

So I see to not litsen to self or anyone else as Paul talks about in Phil 3 and why he says this, when he was deceived and believed he was doing righteously, killing believers in the risen Son. He gave up Law to win God through risen Son
Thank you, Father your love and mercy are forever and have been that way from Day one in the fall of Adam the first, /You have never changed =, thank you

 

[LightBearer316]

I have noticed, among self-acknowleged Christians, some Christians take the "Woohoo, I'm saved!" outlook, whereas other Christians still have a sincere fear of going to hell. The first group seems to be more carefree and without fear, whereas the second group still a bit unsure and cannot answer with 100 percent certainty if they are saved. The second group tends to be more fearful that Jesus will say that they did not do enough. Who is right? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Please support with Scripture. Which group are you in? I tend to be in the first group, but I can also see the second group's view.

That’s a really thoughtful question — and I think both of those perspectives touch on something true, though each can drift off balance if taken too far.

Scripture teaches that a believer can have assurance of salvation — not based on feelings or performance, but on the finished work of Christ.

“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life.” (1 John 5:13)​

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That’s the confidence of the first group — they trust fully in what Jesus accomplished.

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” (Romans 8:1)​

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But the second group’s caution isn’t without merit either. A holy reverence and self-examination are biblical:

“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith.” (2 Corinthians 13:5)​

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12)​

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So the right posture is both: confident trust in Christ’s finished work and humble dependence on God’s continuing grace.
Assurance doesn’t mean arrogance, and reverent fear doesn’t mean doubt.

As for me, I rest in the assurance of salvation through Christ alone, but with a heart that still trembles at His holiness and desires to walk worthy of the calling I’ve received (Ephesians 4:1).

Grace and peace — confident in His promise, yet humbled by His mercy.

 

[Lamar]

Where false assurance exist, true assurance cannot.

I realize that this is not a popular stand but none of us knows our fate.

Does the Bible teach that the names of the believers are written in the Book of Life. Yes!

But this truth does not prove that we are among the believers that are written of in the book.

In the last letter written by Mohamed Atta to his family, he spoke of his assurance that he would soon be welcomed into heaven after his death from the 911 attacks. David Koresh spoke of the same thing before the fire in Waco. Jim Jones comforted his followers with words of assurance as they poisoned themselves. Marshall Applewhite was completely sure of his reward before his "final escape".

These are harsh examples but the Bible speaks of false assurance and the dangers that follow.

No one ever thinks that their "true assurance" can be wrong, others yes but not their assurance.

 

[Cameron143]

Where false assurance exist, true assurance cannot.

I realize that this is not a popular stand but none of us knows our fate.

Does the Bible teach that the names of the believers are written in the Book of Life. Yes!

But this truth does not prove that we are among the believers that are written of in the book.

In the last letter written by Mohamed Atta to his family, he spoke of his assurance that he would soon be welcomed into heaven after his death from the 911 attacks. David Koresh spoke of the same thing before the fire in Waco. Jim Jones comforted his followers with words of assurance as they poisoned themselves. Marshall Applewhite was completely sure of his reward before his "final escape".

These are harsh examples but the Bible speaks of false assurance and the dangers that follow.

No one ever thinks that their "true assurance" can be wrong, others yes but not their assurance.

So...mentally ill people claiming assurance negates the teaching of scripture? Wonder why we are commanded to make our calling and election sure if it's not possible.

 

[Lamar]

So...mentally ill people claiming assurance negates the teaching of scripture? Wonder why we are commanded to make our calling and election sure if it's not possible.

Regardless of their mental state, they were assured.

God calls us to be perfect but can we be?

I am sure there are some who would see you as mentally ill also. Does this effect your sense of assurance"

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Assurance of Salvation?
Put me in "group 1" Because Of God's Own All-Sufficient BLOOD Shed FOR
me + All The Following "Profitable" Scriptures:

God's Eternal Salvation Is, In Biblical Fact, "in view" In God's Revelation Of The Mystery,

To/For Gentiles, Today, In His Dispensation Of The Grace Of God, Biblically Confirmed By:​

God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)
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God's Eternal Life Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Precious Word Of Truth!:

Amen.

 

[Cameron143]

Regardless of their mental state, they were assured.

God calls us to be perfect but can we be?

I am sure there are some who would see you as mentally ill also. Does this effect your sense of assurance"

Perfect means matured. Yes we can mature in the faith.

1 John 5:13 says we can know we have eternal life. While there are those who are falsely assured, that doesn't negate the truth of scripture. Those in Matthew 7:21-23 no doubt thought they were secure and were not. Again, doesn't mean one cannot know.

 

[lrs68]

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling