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You isolate a single thought of a larger conversation, then apply your meaning to it and use that as a false witness.
Not surprising for a person who LITERALLY added your words to my post in one of your quotes.
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danschance
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I was asked if I thought calling upon a certain name was a must. To which I replied no.
SO the conversation and answer I gave was the things that need to go in accordance with believing in the Messiah (calling His name) regardless if one uses His real name, a translation, a transliteration, or substitute of it.
My point was for it to be authentic and fruitful one must have sincerity and obedience to go with that.
Mattithyah 15:7-8, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me."
These are the keys to salvation:
Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
If there is any error in this I am open to hear it.
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chubbena
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What arguments? This thread has become a joke when such techniques are used over and over again.
Let the dead bury the dead. The reason that arguments continue is that it's predetermined that it will be that way. It is to convince others they are the only ones who are right, and others that don't agree with the arguments they present have it all wrong. It far far from the Christian way.
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The WORD should be blameless and not perfect. Look it up.
Keys
1. First & formost 'FAITH IN' Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior.
2. Love one another as He commanded.
3. Obedience to God ways that are Holy and Good, walk according to the spirit & not your flesh, realise you don't belong to yourself anymore, but to Him 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Psalms 15
King James Bible
Who Shall Dwell on Your Holy Hill?
1{A Psalm of David.} LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
4In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
5He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.
God Bless
1. First & formost 'FAITH IN' Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior.
2. Love one another as He commanded.
3. Obedience to God ways that are Holy and Good, walk according to the spirit & not your flesh, realise you don't belong to yourself anymore, but to Him 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Psalms 15
King James Bible
Who Shall Dwell on Your Holy Hill?
1{A Psalm of David.} LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
4In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
5He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.
God Bless
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No, people did not die for breaking them. . .for they did not exist.
People died because of sin.
Yes, that is what Paul says.
And he also says, where there is no law, sin is not taken into account.
There was no law between Adam and Moses, so what sin caused death to reign?
That is the riddle Paul solves in Ro 5:12-21.
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danschance
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I think this topic is now out of control. I never said obedience is not import. Hiz said "Sincerity and obedience are key" and i questioned him on it as it seems to be about what he can do. Obedience to God, the bible and those in authority to us is important and I am not trying to state or imply anything against it. Is it key though, that is the question for Hiz to explain as it is his comment, if he chooses. Hiz's answer seems to imply a works based salvation and that is why I commented, because salvation based on our works is garbage.
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danschance
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I agree that specific names for God are not important as God gives Himself many names and many titles, all of which fit Him.
Faith with out works is dead. The problem with that is what are the works? We see n the gospels that Jesus is pleased by people who show lots of faith. The works of their faith is evident by what they said and how they acted. I had a pastor tell me as a child that he has faith his car will start and the works of that faith is putting the key in the ignition and turning it with faith it will start.
The works of the law will not save anyone.
1 Peter 2
The Living Stone
(Isaiah 28:14-22; 1 Corinthians 3:10-15)
4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
11Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; 12Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Romans 12
Living Sacrifices
(1 Corinthians 3:16-18; 1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
God Bless
The Living Stone
(Isaiah 28:14-22; 1 Corinthians 3:10-15)
4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
11Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; 12Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Romans 12
Living Sacrifices
(1 Corinthians 3:16-18; 1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
God Bless
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So are you saying the works that are spoken of in Yaaqob 2:26,( "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also.")
Is faith? So it should read faith without faith is dead?
The works that go with true faith are the works of love.
How do we love?
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
That is why this is written:
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
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danschance
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I believe the bible. The bible says faith with out works is dead. The only question that remains is what is works?
this can mean alot of things.. you can say he have faith to believe on a healing but your works doesn't show it, example, " healed from cancer, but you still feel pain, will you believe and act as if you are normal or have faith and still believe you sick " but the way they wanna put it is.. faith and then work.. the law lol, when you have a one mindset mind you can only see what you believe in
Do you believe there verses?
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
On the mount of transfiguration
Moses( represent the law)
Elijah( the prophets)
Jesus ( spirit)
God comes and say this is my son listen to him.
Jesus says "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
It's all about Jesus
Moses( represent the law)
Elijah( the prophets)
Jesus ( spirit)
God comes and say this is my son listen to him.
Jesus says "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
It's all about Jesus
So do we just say Messiah, or do we teach and follow what He said?
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness