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1 Cor 12:10 ...to another the gift of various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
Aparently the gift of interpretation is more fruitful than the speaking.
Emphasizes the importance of understanding and knowledge. This as opposed to just speaking for the sake of speaking like was seen in Corinth at this time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Aparently the gift of interpretation is more fruitful than the speaking.
Emphasizes the importance of understanding and knowledge. This as opposed to just speaking for the sake of speaking like was seen in Corinth at this time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Yep, but what does it MEAN?
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Ephesians 6:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—
Romans 8:26 New King James Version (NKJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Jude 1:20
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
Did not 1cor 12, 13 and 14 tell us those who speak in touges edify themselves ? here is another verse to confrim that point in Jude 1:20 & Romans 8:26
the answer to your question is in 1cor 14
starting at verse 14
it reads :
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding
the context to praying in the spirit is = tongues I pray in a tongue , my spirit prays= praying in the Spirit
18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—
Romans 8:26 New King James Version (NKJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Jude 1:20
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
Did not 1cor 12, 13 and 14 tell us those who speak in touges edify themselves ? here is another verse to confrim that point in Jude 1:20 & Romans 8:26
the answer to your question is in 1cor 14
starting at verse 14
it reads :
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding
the context to praying in the spirit is = tongues I pray in a tongue , my spirit prays= praying in the Spirit
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It's a shaky thing to be having great communion with God, while He has put someone else on a spiritual fast from His presence, and to think the reason is because you are seeking hard and they aren't. (And you sure won't be helping them in their dryness and seeming darkness but will be actually causing them more distress in it.) Because He is all about working arrogance out of us and replacing it with dependence and humility. So if this is the thoughts of your heart, that you are being blessed because of yourself, sure enough, He will eventually withhold communion for some period of time to cause you to see that you are not the reason of His blessings. There is the verse that says He rewards those who diligently seek Him. But there is also the verse that says, don't ask who will go up to heaven and bring God down to us. They balance each other out in order to bring low what needs to be brought down and to lift what is low that He wishes to bring up. One verse is for lifting the discouraged. The other verse is for lowering the arrogant. Right in the middle in a temperance that walks with understanding of both verses is the safest place to walk.
I never want to limit what the Spirit can/will do in my life. I did go through a period of time where I was convinced I should speak in tongues. I had several others that encouraged me to do so, and they prayed (as did I) and laid hands on me. Nothing. Had I been taught, as some here teach, that if I don't speak in tongues, I don't have the Spirit living in me, it could have been devastating to my walk... fortunately, I had been taught more correctly, that the Spirit will do what the Spirit wills.... it's not up to me...
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It means...a deeper prayer, a deeper communion. It is not praying with complete understanding and is very difficult to describe. Have you read my posts where I try to describe it??? It is a bit uneffable. One cannot exactly draw an outline to describe what it is like. They can mostly only say: I know not what but just know that the King took me into His chambers. YOU try to describe it in minute detail. I dare you! It is difficult and you're left saying: OH!! I know not what!
1 Cor 14:
13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
"Praying in the spirit" (1 Cor 14:13-15), "speaking by the spirit of God" (1 Cor 12:3), "bless with the spirit" (1 Cor 14:16) are all synonymous for speaking in tongues.
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the full context of the three chapters , Paul says as the Holy Spirit leads him in verse 5
5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; [a] for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
he said I wish you all spoke but even more prophesied then here said the gift of prophecy is greater UNLESS there is an interpreation which will too edify the church.
Now if the issue is a lesser gift then seek to prophesies . This was not said to oppose what was spoken for the sake of speaking.
1cor 12 tell use what all the unity chapters are for which in clude 13, and 14
verse 1 :
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant:
This letter did not oppose The gifts the letter was writtten to instruct on how to properly use the Gifts of the Holy Spirit
5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; [a] for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
he said I wish you all spoke but even more prophesied then here said the gift of prophecy is greater UNLESS there is an interpreation which will too edify the church.
Now if the issue is a lesser gift then seek to prophesies . This was not said to oppose what was spoken for the sake of speaking.
1cor 12 tell use what all the unity chapters are for which in clude 13, and 14
verse 1 :
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant:
This letter did not oppose The gifts the letter was writtten to instruct on how to properly use the Gifts of the Holy Spirit
I realized a long time ago, amid some confusion, that some things I was reading by some old saints and some things I heard living people say - sounded like they were talking about different things when in actuality, they were all speaking of the same thing and just using the only words they could find to describe it.
For instance, when I say I am so thirsty and He has put me on a fast in spirit, other men will try to describe the same experience but will use different words. They might say: oh man, I really need a word. Or, it's like God won't listen to me right now. Or, has God abandoned me?? Or, it's like all of my light just suddenly disappeared.
To then see these men all get into a vicious argument saying each other is wrong when they are describing the same thing is ridiculous. I wish they could try to set their mind on understanding rather than fighting. (Not that we are viciously fighting in here, but it is being avowed that I have never prayed in the spirit and it puzzles me that they can't read what I've said and make the connection and say, that sounds suspiciously accurate for what I experience when I pray in tongues, maybe I could be wrong in assuming that the only way to pray in the spirit is with tongues. Maybe others really do experience what I have but without words...)
If we could drop our many insistences, I think we would see that God does not speak to each of His children by some formula for one and all.
For instance, when I say I am so thirsty and He has put me on a fast in spirit, other men will try to describe the same experience but will use different words. They might say: oh man, I really need a word. Or, it's like God won't listen to me right now. Or, has God abandoned me?? Or, it's like all of my light just suddenly disappeared.
To then see these men all get into a vicious argument saying each other is wrong when they are describing the same thing is ridiculous. I wish they could try to set their mind on understanding rather than fighting. (Not that we are viciously fighting in here, but it is being avowed that I have never prayed in the spirit and it puzzles me that they can't read what I've said and make the connection and say, that sounds suspiciously accurate for what I experience when I pray in tongues, maybe I could be wrong in assuming that the only way to pray in the spirit is with tongues. Maybe others really do experience what I have but without words...)
If we could drop our many insistences, I think we would see that God does not speak to each of His children by some formula for one and all.
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1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues....
It should be clear that God wants you to speak in tongues.
How do you think "If the Spirit intends for me to speak in tongues, I will do so"? How do you think you will do so? It will just "happen"? How? Do you believe that God will possess you?
Speaking in tongues is not "babbling". It is you speaking a language you do not know. You move your mouth, utilize your vocal cords. The words come from God.
It is absolutely not true that if you do not speak in tongues you do not have the Holy Spirit.
THAT you speak is indeed up to you.
WHAT you speak is up to God.
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues....
It should be clear that God wants you to speak in tongues.
How do you think "If the Spirit intends for me to speak in tongues, I will do so"? How do you think you will do so? It will just "happen"? How? Do you believe that God will possess you?
Speaking in tongues is not "babbling". It is you speaking a language you do not know. You move your mouth, utilize your vocal cords. The words come from God.
It is absolutely not true that if you do not speak in tongues you do not have the Holy Spirit.
THAT you speak is indeed up to you.
WHAT you speak is up to God.
Yes, we know you are convinced of this brother.
But Paul did not say: to pray in the spirit is to speak in tongues.
He said: if I pray in tongues, I am praying in spirit.
His statement does not say that it is impossible to pray in spirit any other way, for instance, silently and with no words uttered at all.
Has it occurred to you that you have taken away praying in the spirit from a person who is not capable of producing speech of any sort? What about a deaf and dumb mute?
But Paul did not say: to pray in the spirit is to speak in tongues.
He said: if I pray in tongues, I am praying in spirit.
His statement does not say that it is impossible to pray in spirit any other way, for instance, silently and with no words uttered at all.
Has it occurred to you that you have taken away praying in the spirit from a person who is not capable of producing speech of any sort? What about a deaf and dumb mute?
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Yes, we know you are convinced of this brother.
But Paul did not say: to pray in the spirit is to speak in tongues.
He said: if I pray in tongues, I am praying in spirit.
His statement does not say that it is impossible to pray in spirit any other way, for instance, silently and with no words uttered at all.
Has it occurred to you that you have taken away praying in the spirit from a person who is not capable of producing speech of any sort? What about a deaf and dumb mute?
But Paul did not say: to pray in the spirit is to speak in tongues.
He said: if I pray in tongues, I am praying in spirit.
His statement does not say that it is impossible to pray in spirit any other way, for instance, silently and with no words uttered at all.
Has it occurred to you that you have taken away praying in the spirit from a person who is not capable of producing speech of any sort? What about a deaf and dumb mute?
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It means...a deeper prayer, a deeper communion. It is not praying with complete understanding and is very difficult to describe. Have you read my posts where I try to describe it??? It is a bit uneffable. One cannot exactly draw an outline to describe what it is like. They can mostly only say: I know not what but just know that the King took me into His chambers. YOU try to describe it in minute detail. I dare you! It is difficult and you're left saying: OH!! I know not what!
From these verses, I thought they were saying I could always have understanding. That was when God informed me that it was not always in my best interest to understand everything. It could maybe be a future condition that we might worry about if we knew. We just need to trust God.
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