Baptism is NOT an English word. It's a GREEK word.

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This word "baptism" is not translated from Greek into English. Rather it is transliterated. This means the Greek letters are changed into English letters but no MEANING is conveyed.

The reason this was done is because the practice of the Roman Catholic church and the Church of England was to sprinkle and baptism does NOT mean "to sprinkle", which the translators knew perfectly well. So to protect their tradition of men the word "baptism" was not translated at all.

Baptism MEANS "to cleanse by dipping". The Jews were very familiar with this concept. You may recall that in the Temple courtyard was a laver. This laver was round with a 7' diameter and stood 3 1/2' high, with the sides going down at an angle toward the center. It was kind of like a big bowl filled with water.

The reason for the laver is that sacrificing animals is a bloody business. Those doing the sacrifices used tools. Between sacrifices they would take these tools to the laver and dip them into the water. Blood, being heavier than water, would sink to the bottom. Thus, tools were cleaned and sacrifices continued.

There are five baptisms found in scripture.
1. water baptism
2. spirit baptism
3. baptism into Jesus Christ
4. baptism for the dead
5. baptism into sufferinig

The purpose of water baptism is to cleanse a person of confessed sin. This requires a person to first acknowledge sin, then repent or change their mind about the wrongness of sin, as well as changing their attitude toward God.

Water baptism is a prerequisite for spirit baptism, which involves being dipped in Holy Spirit by Jesus. God cannot fellowship with sin. Thus someone who wants to respond to God's call out of the world and into fellowship with Him must first be cleansed of sin.

These two baptisms work together to move a believer from the body of Adam to the body of Jesus Christ. People under and in Adam are subjects of Satan. People under and in Jesus Christ are subjects of God. This is baptism into Jesus Christ --- a transfer from one body to another.

I Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

This practice of baptism for the dead began in the early church. The disciples evidently felt that baptism was so important that it was necessary for a living person to stand in proxy and be baptized for a dead person who hadn't had the opportunity to be baptized. Although most churches do not practice it this baptism is still practiced by the Mormon church.

Mark 10:38-39 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? 39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

Finally, Jesus promised His disciples a baptism into suffering. They would suffer as He had suffered. Although the word "suffer" or "suffering" is not in this verse it is pretty obvious what Jesus meant.

Today's organized churches focus on water baptism only. They pretend, using false doctrine, to be baptized into Holy Spirit by Jesus but they are missing the results of that baptism, namely speaking in tongues, praying in the spirit, manifesting spiritual gifts, maturing as disciples, and turning the world upside down.
 

JaumeJ

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All European languages have words that originated from Latin, Greek, and many otheres. The word, bungalow is Hindu, the word, god, dates back to Sanskrit and before..

Almost all our names come from Hebrew, all the traditional that is.

There is no language that you may designate as pure, so pointing out the partialetymology of any word is truly moot……...it is wasting time.
 

Nehemiah6

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This word "baptism" is not translated from Greek into English. Rather it is transliterated.
True. And it literally and primarily means "to immerse" or "to submerge", not "cleanse by dipping".

Strong's Concordance
baptizó: to dip, sink
Original Word: βαπτίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: baptizó
Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tid'-zo)
Definition: to dip, sink
Usage: lit: I dip, submerge, but specifically of ceremonial dipping; I baptize.


And not all Christians believe that the baptism "with" (not "in") the Holy Spirit automatically translates into speaking in tongues or praying in tongues.
The purpose of water baptism is to cleanse a person of confessed sin.
This is incorrect. It is the blood of Jesus Christ which cleanses, and keeps on cleansing our souls. John 3:5 has generally been misunderstood, as though the New Birth involves the water of baptism. But that "water" is the Word of God, more specifically, the Gospel (see 1 Pet 1:23-25).
 

posthuman

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Water baptism is a prerequisite for spirit baptism, which involves being dipped in Holy Spirit by Jesus. God cannot fellowship with sin. Thus someone who wants to respond to God's call out of the world and into fellowship with Him must first be cleansed of sin.
Acts 10-11 definitively proves that water baptism is not prerequisite to spirit baptism.

gentiles believed while they were hearing the gospel and were immediately baptized in the spirit, not having been water baptized.
it was at this time ((see Acts 10:44-48 and 11:15-17 esp.)) that Peter realized the gospel was for all people and what was meant by what John had said, he baptized with water but Christ will baptize with spirit and fire.
 

posthuman

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There are five baptisms found in scripture.
1. water baptism
2. spirit baptism
3. baptism into Jesus Christ
4. baptism for the dead
5. baptism into sufferinig
also baptism into Moses ((1 Cor. 10:2)).
but there is only one baptism ((Ephesians 4:5-6)) -- and taking all the testimony of scripture into account it is immersion into Christ, and that isn't tantamount to H2O immersion, but H2O immersion is symbolic of it.



i find it helpful at this point to look at scripture replacing the word 'baptism' with 'immersion' and 'baptized' with 'immersed' -- and to write H2O instead of 'water' in order to differentiate clearly between the 'water' which is metaphorically spoken of as the Word of God, and to remind myself that it is the abstract principle of immersion, being placed into, not the ceremonial act of dunking underwater, in the discussion
 

posthuman

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Today's organized churches focus on water baptism only. They pretend, using false doctrine, to be baptized into Holy Spirit by Jesus but they are missing the results of that baptism, namely speaking in tongues, praying in the spirit, manifesting spiritual gifts, maturing as disciples, and turning the world upside down.
not all speak in tongues ((1 Cor. 12:29-30)). the Spirit Himself intercedes in prayer for us all ((Romans 8:26-27)) and this is with words which cannot be uttered so it is impossible that vocalized babbling is the same. not all spiritual gifts are miraculous or even physically self-evident to an observer ((Romans 12:6-8, 1 Cor. 12:8-10, 1 Peter 4:11, Col. 3:15-17 etc)). maturing as disciples isn't a result of miraculous signs or even demonstrated by them - for example the people at Cornelius' house in Acts 10 were speaking in tongues while in the total immature infancy of their faith. all who are in Christ are maturing in Him at the pace God has determined because maturation in Him is His own work ((e.g. Philippians 1:6, 2:13-15))

the Jews sought a sign. the gospel is a stumbling block to them. salvation that is not by works, not manifested in miraculous powers and not through the will, desire or effort of man, but by faith in the enfleshed, crucified, risen, ascended and returning Son of God is turning the world upside down.
 

Dino246

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This word "baptism" is not translated from Greek into English. Rather it is transliterated. This means the Greek letters are changed into English letters but no MEANING is conveyed.

The reason this was done is because the practice of the Roman Catholic church and the Church of England was to sprinkle and baptism does NOT mean "to sprinkle", which the translators knew perfectly well. So to protect their tradition of men the word "baptism" was not translated at all.
I would encourage you to do more research on this matter. Your assertions don't stand up to examination.