Baptism

[shotgunner]

Like I said though it is a clear command given by the Lord, and the bible says those who love Him and believe in Him will be baptized. So being that it is commanded by our Lord Jesus we as believers in Him should not be going around tell others they do not need to be baptized.

Also Mark 16:16 says those who believe and are baptized (both) will be saved, and 1 Peter 3:21 Apostle Peter says this antitype now saves us. He is not referring to it and it alone saves, but that it is just as important and process of sanctification through Christ for a believer as repentance is.

Repentance is the change of mind toward how our old sinful selves were that kept us enmity to God, and being immersed in the baptism by His name in water is a sign of a clear conscious to accept His way over ours. We are buried and risen with Him to a new nature by the Holy Spirit.

Obedience in the faith is clearly stressed throughout the NT, and disobedience is clearly warned against.
Therefore I will continue to defend obedience to His commands instead of tell others they don't have to be baptized as some others have done.

1 Peter 3:21King James Version (KJV)[SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

What I see is that Peter is telling us that it is not the baptism of water, the putting away of the filth of the flesh, that saves us but the baptism into Christ, the answer of a good conscious toward God, that saves us.

 

[KennethC]

1 Peter 3:21King James Version (KJV)[SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

What I see is that Peter is telling us that it is not the baptism of water, the putting away of the filth of the flesh, that saves us but the baptism into Christ, the answer of a good conscious toward God, that saves us.

You can not take the Baptizo (immersion in water) out of that passage, and all Peter is saying is that the water does not actually wash your sins clean but is your sign of a clear conscious toward God to be one of His disciples.

As the other scripture from 1 John 5:7 says that baptism (in water) is one of the three witnesses that testifies that we are truly disciples of Christ. Notice how this agrees with Matthew 28:19-20 where it says make disciples out of all nations by baptizing them.

There is only one baptism that man can do and was commanded to do and that is Baptizo, which is immersion in water by stating in His name. The Holy Spirit comes from the Lord Himself to us, and Acts 5:32 says the Holy Spirit is only given to those who obey Him.

 

[Apostol2013]

wow. So you want to be baptized in Hell? (Fire)

There is ONE BAPTISM, not three. which saves.

But thanks for at least admiting there are MANY baptisms spoken of in scripture.

Now which one saved? the one done By God, prophesied by john the baptist, and promised by Jesus (the one of God) or the one of water (which represents the true baptism which saves)

Power is what I spoke of not the eternal fire of hell ,

 

[Apostol2013]

So even though water baptism is a show of good faith toward God it is necessary because of commandment and we of the household of God in Christ will obey God

 

[Apostol2013]

So even though water baptism is a show of good faith toward God it is necessary because of commandment and we of the household of God in Christ will obey God

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. xref-8

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: note xref-2 [xref-2]

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[Apostol2013]

46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? xref-6

47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: xref-1 [xref-1]

48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great

 

[plaintalk]

How does baptism fit into God’s grand scheme of salvation? This view is offered for your consideration. IMO God’s will is presented to us in such a way that we have a piece here and a piece there; the fitting of these pieces together is a goal of life.
God begins His work in our personal life with the sending of the Holy Spirit to convict the world, not just the elect, of sin, righteousness and judgment. (John 16: 8-11) The word of God reveals that we are all sinners and that we are spiritually dead unto God. There is none righteous, no not one. How did we get in this predicament? Many tell us that we are born in sin; they have misunderstood the hyperbole of David. The Scriptures, on the other hand, tell us each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by our own lust. When lust has conceived it gives birth to sin and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. The Holy Spirit also tells us that Jesus is the righteous One, the only one who can redeem us. He died for our sins, was buried and was risen the third; after forty days He entered heaven to reign at the right hand of the Father. The Spirt also tells us that God has already appointed a day of judgment, but that the ruler of this world has already been judged.
If we are convicted of these things the only sensible course of action is to come to Jesus who invites us. (Matt. 11: 28) But in addition we are told that we are drawn to God by His love which was demonstrated when Jesus was lifted up and died. (John 6: 44; 12: 32) The first charge He gives to us is to deny ourselves. We must humble and empty ourselves even as our Lord did. (Philip. 2: 5- 8) If our vessel is full of self, there will be no room for the grace He gives. God gives grace to the humble but resist the proud. (1 Peter 5: 5)
God graciously opens the hearts of the humble to respond in faith mingled with love. (Acts 16: 14) When we first receive Jesus by believing in His name, we are begotten by God. (John 1: 12, 13) We are not saved at that moment, although we are on the right path; we are given the right to become children of God and the word is implanted in our hearts. (James 1: 21)
What shall we do then to become a child of God? “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” (Acts 2:38, 38) Yes, by faith we become a child of God through baptism. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. (Gal 3: 26, 27)
As we are immersed in water, Jesus, richly and abundantly (Titus 3: 5, 6) pours out the Holy Spirit as a gift, immersing us with the Spirit. As we come forth from this baptismal experience, we are born of water and the Spirit. (John 3: 3, 5) We are born again, a child of God, a new creature in Christ. (2 Cor. 5: 17) God bless.

 

[plaintalk]

The Three Witnesses
For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. (1 John 5: 8) NASB
Many will tell us about the Spirit and the blood but there are some who are reluctant to tell us about the water. Jesus pours the Spirit of God out upon the obedient believers and we are all ultimately cleansed in the blood of Christ which was shed in His death when by the grace of God, Jesus tasted death for everyone (Heb. 2: 9), not just the elect. Nevertheless, the water is an integral part of God’s redemption plan for man. Yet we hear many tell us that the water is not essential; it is only an outward symbol of an inward grace. They diminish and even denigrate the one baptism. The Scriptures tell us however that the one baptism is one of the seven pillars of the unity of faith. It is listed with the one body, one Spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one God and Father. (Eph. 4: 5)


The one baptism is an integral part of the following: 1. Purification by washing with water, initiating the sprinkling with the blood of Christ. (Acts 22: 16) 2. Baptism of repentance. (Mark 1: 4; Acts 2: 38) 3. Entering into Christ and His body. (Rom. 6: 3; 1 Cor. 12: 13) 4. Obedience to the gospel. (2 Thess. 1: 8, 9; Rom. 6: 3-7, 17) 5. The new birth from water and the Spirit. (John 3: 5) 6. Identification with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. (Rom. 6: 3- 6) 7. Dying to self. (Rom 6: 6) 8. Initiating the gift of the Spirit. (Acts 2: 38, 39) 9. Calling on the name of the Lord for a good conscience. (Acts 2: 21; 22: 16; 1 Pet. 1: 21; Heb. 10: 22; 9: 14) 10. Being clothed with the attributes of Christ. (Gal. 3: 26, 27) 11. Assurance. (Heb. 10: 22; 1 John 5: 8)
God bless.

 

[plaintalk]

Obedience
Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation. (Heb. 5: 8, 9)
Some on this forum will tell you that that we obey God when we believe, and that is true, for we are commanded to believe, and when we do, we have obeyed. But is that totality of obedience, is that all that is meant? Those folks are using that tricky, little idea to escape the conundrum they fall into when they claim that salvation is by “faith alone”. If salvation is by faith alone, what do you do with Heb. 5: 9?
We read of the “obedience of faith” (Rom. 1: 5; 16: 26; Acts 6: 7) and “works of faith”. (1 Thess. 1: 3) What do those expressions mean? It seems to me that these passages are speaking of an obedience that comes from faith and as in the case of Heb. 5: 9, leads to salvation. Furthermore when we consider Rom. 15: 18, we must conclude that obedience is not in word only but also in deed.
Can we consider ourselves faithful if we do not obey God’s commandments? By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him. (1 John 2: 3-5) Wow! Pretty strong statement, but I think we get the point. So while we do obey by believing, that is only the beginning, there is far more to obedience than that. Obedience does lead to salvation and obedience includes both word and deed.
Obedience (repentance and baptism) is the test of our faith just as obedience (the offering of Isaac) was the testing of Abraham’s faith. When Abraham offered up Isaac, God said, “For now I know that you fear God.” (Gen 22: 12) By the same token, baptism is the “proof” of our faith; when our faith mingled with love, moves us to obey, our faith is deemed to be “perfected” and complete. We are saved and justified by a perfected faith.
God bless

 

[plaintalk]

MARK 16: 16
He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (Mark 16: 16)
In this verse Jesus undeniably links faith and baptism together, resulting in salvation. We can conclude at least two things from this verse; first, the faith that saves is not alone and second, baptism is not a work of righteousness, a work of merit. Jesus is not saying that faith plus baptism, as some claim, results in salvation; rather He is saying that faith which obeys in baptism results in salvation. A meaningful faith is one which obeys or works through love. (Gal. 5: 6)
But he who has disbelieved shall be condemned- A. T. Robertson offers the comment, “The omission of baptized with “disbelieved” would seem to show that Jesus does not make baptism essential to salvation.” Robertson’s NT Word Pictures. This comment is totally unwarranted as those who disbelieve will surely, in the normal course of events, not be moved to be baptized. The conversion story of the Ethiopian eunuch tells us that one must believe in order to be baptized. There would be no reason or need to mention baptism, as disbelief itself, excludes the possibility of baptism. Why would one make such a comment when Jesus had just previously included baptism as a factor in salvation? We can only surmise that by so doing, he is attempting to support his “faith only” agenda.
Disbelief by itself brings condemnation as there can be no further connection to the grace of God. Disbelief automatically brings disobedience, and both will be condemned. (John 3: 18, 36; 12: 48; 2 Thess. 1: 6-9; Rom. 2: 8)

Jesus states the matter positively, “He who has believed (the gospel, v. 15) and has been baptized, shall be saved.” The Apostle Paul gives the negative statement that some claim we do not have. - - - “those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction. “ - - - (2 Thess. 1: 8, 9) God bless.