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Just a comment. The falling of the Holy Ghost as it did upon the 11 apostles as promised by the Lord as per Luke 24:49 must not be confused by Peter's words as recorded in Acts 2:38. One, the falling of the Holy Spirit, can be considered the baptism of the Holy Ghost which was if a miraculous nature and it first did so on the apostles who then spoke in other earthly tongues. The other, Acts 2:38, is NOT the same. It's the receiving of the Spirit itself, the indwelling of it, NOT the miraculous manifestation of it.
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That is a common misunderstanding. But Peter cleared it up in Acts 3:19: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Do you see the words "be baptized" in this verse? Why not? Because baptism simply CONFIRMS what has taken place internally and spiritually.
There is no misunderstanding. Baptism IS a requirement for salvation as confirmed by many scriptures in the simplest of language. "Repent and be converted" means to accept the Lord rather than deny him, and be converted. Repentance is one of the steps in the conversion process. This is no different than what was told to the Jews onbthe day of Pentecost. They were unbelievers, then they became believers by acknowledging and accepting the Lord. They repented and were converted thereby, completing there conversion by being baptized into Christ for the remission of their sins and thereby received the gift of the Holy Ghost and were added to the church by the Lord per Acts 2:47.
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This is where baptism begins and this is what John said
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:4-5, 7-8 KJV
this is what Jesus said after he was raised up referring to what John said
“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
Acts 1:4-5 KJV
a few days later
“And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
( what John and Jesus said has now happened Jesus sent the holy ghost after he ascended )
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judæa, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. ( exactly what Jesus promised in John 14-16)Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
( nor remember what John was baptizing for ? Repentance and remission of sins )
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:1-4, 14, 16-18, 21, 32-33, 36, 38-39 KJV
that’s exactly what John said I’m baptizing for remission of sins in water and Jesus will come after me and give you the holy ghost)
the only difference is John spoke beforehand Jesus spoke during and the apostles spoke after
it’s silly for us to invent confusion baptism is too plainly stated again and again
at he only phrase in scripture talking of baptism of the spirit eas John referring to pentocost baptism eas established by God when he sent John the Baptist to baptize for remission of sins in preparation of Christ
aid toyr sayong oentocost eas t when Jesus gave the holy ghost to mankind you may want to re read the gospel and book of acts and also consider that there’s just one baptism it’s the one established in the gospel
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:4-5, 7-8 KJV
this is what Jesus said after he was raised up referring to what John said
“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
Acts 1:4-5 KJV
a few days later
“And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
( what John and Jesus said has now happened Jesus sent the holy ghost after he ascended )
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judæa, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. ( exactly what Jesus promised in John 14-16)Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
( nor remember what John was baptizing for ? Repentance and remission of sins )
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:1-4, 14, 16-18, 21, 32-33, 36, 38-39 KJV
that’s exactly what John said I’m baptizing for remission of sins in water and Jesus will come after me and give you the holy ghost)
the only difference is John spoke beforehand Jesus spoke during and the apostles spoke after
it’s silly for us to invent confusion baptism is too plainly stated again and again
at he only phrase in scripture talking of baptism of the spirit eas John referring to pentocost baptism eas established by God when he sent John the Baptist to baptize for remission of sins in preparation of Christ
aid toyr sayong oentocost eas t when Jesus gave the holy ghost to mankind you may want to re read the gospel and book of acts and also consider that there’s just one baptism it’s the one established in the gospel
Absolutely wrong
1. Baptism is not even an English word, it is a Greek word. and it is NOT always about water
2. John said he baptized in water, but Jesus will baptize with hs and fire two baptisms nothing to do with water.. done by Jesus
3. Jesus spoke of the cup he was baptized with (his ministry) and told his disciples they would be baptized with the same cup.. again no water involved
4. Israel was baptized into Moses.. again no immersion into water involved.
there are no verses that say it is essential unless you take them out of Context.
If baptism in water was essential. Jesus left it out of alot of his teaching, most importantly John 3 and John 6
The spiritual aspect is automatic, it was not something you looked for or something you did. It happened to you WHEN you are born again (john 3) it is how you redeemed, and put into the body of Christ. it is the spiritual circumcision made without hands through the baptism of him who rose Christ from the dead. it is the washing and renewal of the HS who is given through Gods mercy in which we were saved without any work of righteousness.
1. Baptism is not even an English word, it is a Greek word. and it is NOT always about water
2. John said he baptized in water, but Jesus will baptize with hs and fire two baptisms nothing to do with water.. done by Jesus
3. Jesus spoke of the cup he was baptized with (his ministry) and told his disciples they would be baptized with the same cup.. again no water involved
4. Israel was baptized into Moses.. again no immersion into water involved.
there are no verses that say it is essential unless you take them out of Context.
If baptism in water was essential. Jesus left it out of alot of his teaching, most importantly John 3 and John 6
The spiritual aspect is automatic, it was not something you looked for or something you did. It happened to you WHEN you are born again (john 3) it is how you redeemed, and put into the body of Christ. it is the spiritual circumcision made without hands through the baptism of him who rose Christ from the dead. it is the washing and renewal of the HS who is given through Gods mercy in which we were saved without any work of righteousness.
your right, its not the same
recieving the HS is the anointing of the holy spirit
this is different than the baptism of the HS. and must not be confused.
However. acts 2 is not the baptism of the spirit.. it is a baptism one does because they have remission of sin, proven by the fact they have recieved the HS..
recieving the HS is the anointing of the holy spirit
this is different than the baptism of the HS. and must not be confused.
However. acts 2 is not the baptism of the spirit.. it is a baptism one does because they have remission of sin, proven by the fact they have recieved the HS..
So this has been a common misunderstanding for the past 1900 plus years? There seems to be no misunderstanding up until the hyper grace, faith only, don't dare DO anything folks came along.... so you are saying that up until then, everyone else had it wrong?
And you are saying that Peter directly contradicts himself from Acts 2 to Acts 3..... that's odd.
And you are saying that Peter directly contradicts himself from Acts 2 to Acts 3..... that's odd.
