Basic facts on faith.

[Watchman22]

"Christ is formed in our hearts by faith."

So it's important to know exactly what faith is and how it's applied to have Christ formed in our hearts.

There was some trouble translating faith, pistis, into the English language. And also the corresponding verb to pistis, pisteuo. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun faith like the Greek does. So to correctly translate the word pisteuo which describes how we are to apply faith, it takes some extra work.

The English language tends to limit faith to the mind, to belief, to the emotions, to confidence or trust. And it leaves the " will" , to another word which is obedience. The English language thus sets free faith from work. The Greek doesn't allow that. You don't have " pistis" , ( faith) until you added the " will" and hung the body in continuing action on what the mind believed and what the heart had confidence in. It's an expression of the whole man.

 

[Watchman22]

"Christ is formed in our hearts by faith."

So it's important to know exactly what faith is and how it's applied to have Christ formed in our hearts.

There was some trouble translating faith, pistis, into the English language. And also the corresponding verb to pistis, pisteuo. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun faith like the Greek does. So to correctly translate the word pisteuo which describes how we are to apply faith, it takes some extra work.

The English language tends to limit faith to the mind, to belief, to the emotions, to confidence or trust. And it leaves the " will" , to another word which is obedience. The English language thus sets free faith from work. The Greek doesn't allow that. You don't have " pistis" , ( faith) until you added the " will" and hung the body in continuing action on what the mind believed and what the heart had confidence in. It's an expression of the whole man.

The A, B, C,s of faith: the application of the corresponding verb pisteuo is an act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence.

1) the act: vines, "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender "
Strongs: pisteuo means not just to believe, but also to be persuaded of; and hence, to place confidence in, to trust, and signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated " commit unto", "commit to ones trust", "be committed unto. "

2) based upon a belief: that He will accept the daily surrendered life.

3) sustained by confidence: living a life where we make all those many daily decisions, confidently supporting the fact we really do see our life as His now, and not our own.

This application of faith and faithing, pistis and pisteuo is the first responses to the call of the Father. And because at this point we are not His yet, His word, spirit, and promises can't be an object of faith and faithing yet.

 

[Watchman22]

The A, B, C,s of faith: the application of the corresponding verb pisteuo is an act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence.

1) the act: vines, "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender "
Strongs: pisteuo means not just to believe, but also to be persuaded of; and hence, to place confidence in, to trust, and signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated " commit unto", "commit to ones trust", "be committed unto. "

2) based upon a belief: that He will accept the daily surrendered life.

3) sustained by confidence: living a life where we make all those many daily decisions, confidently supporting the fact we really do see our life as His now, and not our own.

This application of faith and faithing, pistis and pisteuo is the first responses to the call of the Father. And because at this point we are not His yet, His word, spirit, and promises can't be an object of faith and faithing yet.

When Jesus said " into thy hands I commit my spirit ", God is still searching eternity for faith like that. ( the surrendered life)

 

[Chester]

"Christ is formed in our hearts by faith."

So it's important to know exactly what faith is and how it's applied to have Christ formed in our hearts.

There was some trouble translating faith, pistis, into the English language. And also the corresponding verb to pistis, pisteuo. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun faith like the Greek does. So to correctly translate the word pisteuo which describes how we are to apply faith, it takes some extra work.

The English language tends to limit faith to the mind, to belief, to the emotions, to confidence or trust. And it leaves the " will" , to another word which is obedience. The English language thus sets free faith from work. The Greek doesn't allow that. You don't have " pistis" , ( faith) until you added the " will" and hung the body in continuing action on what the mind believed and what the heart had confidence in. It's an expression of the whole man.

Excellent observation!

In English we generally use "faith" for pistis and we use "believe" for pisteuo, but this clouds that in Greek both words are the same root.

 

[Watchman22]

Excellent observation!

In English we generally use "faith" for pistis and we use "believe" for pisteuo, but this clouds that in Greek both words are the same root.

Thanks Chester,
I saw your wow and automatically thought it was a bad wow. Lol
It's nice to see there is still some good iron out there.

 

[Watchman22]

When Jesus said " into thy hands I commit my spirit ", God is still searching eternity for faith like that. ( the surrendered life)

We are commanded in the book of Hebrews, to labor to enter into rest. A labor to enter into rest, involves you, personally surrendering your life and will over to Him. Eventually conforming to what God has said, despite what you see.
God gave a promise to the Isrealites , but the water didn't part until they put their feet in it.

 

[tablet123]

"Christ is formed in our hearts by faith."

So it's important to know exactly what faith is and how it's applied to have Christ formed in our hearts.

There was some trouble translating faith, pistis, into the English language. And also the corresponding verb to pistis, pisteuo. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun faith like the Greek does. So to correctly translate the word pisteuo which describes how we are to apply faith, it takes some extra work.

The English language tends to limit faith to the mind, to belief, to the emotions, to confidence or trust. And it leaves the " will" , to another word which is obedience. The English language thus sets free faith from work. The Greek doesn't allow that. You don't have " pistis" , ( faith) until you added the " wilunl" and hung the body in continuing action on what the mind believed and what the heart had confidence in. It's an expression of the whole man.

I hate to say it but I will.

But it gets on my nerves when you say pistis, pisteuo, or fathing, for it seems arrogant to me.

Oh look at me with these words that thou understandest not nor can comprehend but I knoweth but thou dost not.

Who cares.

But whatever word you want to use, or no word at all, some people can understand the text.

And some will not.

True faith has the right perspective of God's kingdom that it is love.

Charity, love in action, works, is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

True faith has works and if not it is dead.

For love has works and if not there is no faith.

Which Paul said he could have all faith so he could remove mountains but if he did not have charity then he is nothing.

And James said if a person does not have charity then their faith is dead.

Which Abraham was justified by works.

For a person is justified by works and not faith alone.

Which John said do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and in truth.

We are saved by works, and not by works, when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.

But when we are saved we must allow the Spirit to lead us to have works of love, and if not our faith is void.

So the context speaks for itself.

Who cares what you want to call it for what does it matter.

Pistis, pisteuo, fathing, pistisaroo, pisteuoaroni, faithalila, or whatever else does not mean anything.

Just say faith.

It just seems like you want to brag.

Like people that say rapture is not in the Bible but they mean resurrection and are thinking that so what is the problem.

Like the Bible says thou shalt not steal but if someone says thou shalt not rob will you cry about it as if they are morons but you are great because you say steal.

It seems like people are saying things all for the purpose of exalting themselves above the common peasant saint.

But the context speaks for itself.

Oh you say millennial reign but me with my greater Christian knowledge say 1000 year reign.

Boo yah putting it to ya you inferior specimen of a Christian.

And the fleshy people claiming Christ rolls on.

I just do not understand why you would worry about it at all.

 

[Watchman22]

I hate to say it but I will.

But it gets on my nerves when you say pistis, pisteuo, or fathing, for it seems arrogant to me.

Oh look at me with these words that thou understandest not nor can comprehend but I knoweth but thou dost not.

Who cares.

But whatever word you want to use, or no word at all, some people can understand the text.

And some will not.

True faith has the right perspective of God's kingdom that it is love.

Charity, love in action, works, is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

True faith has works and if not it is dead.

For love has works and if not there is no faith.

Which Paul said he could have all faith so he could remove mountains but if he did not have charity then he is nothing.

And James said if a person does not have charity then their faith is dead.

Which Abraham was justified by works.

For a person is justified by works and not faith alone.

Which John said do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and in truth.

We are saved by works, and not by works, when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.

But when we are saved we must allow the Spirit to lead us to have works of love, and if not our faith is void.

So the context speaks for itself.

Who cares what you want to call it for what does it matter.

Pistis, pisteuo, fathing, pistisaroo, pisteuoaroni, faithalila, or whatever else does not mean anything.

Just say faith.

It just seems like you want to brag.

Like people that say rapture is not in the Bible but they mean resurrection and are thinking that so what is the problem.

Like the Bible says thou shalt not steal but if someone says thou shalt not rob will you cry about it as if they are morons but you are great because you say steal.

It seems like people are saying things all for the purpose of exalting themselves above the common peasant saint.

But the context speaks for itself.

Oh you say millennial reign but me with my greater Christian knowledge say 1000 year reign.

Boo yah putting it to ya you inferior specimen of a Christian.

And the fleshy people claiming Christ rolls on.

I just do not understand why you would worry about it at all.

You will tablet, and when that happens, my hands are going to be sparkly clean.

Basic Christianity: look past the flawed vessel, dicern and test what their saying.

When your given something to say by God, my advice is to just say it, and don't pay attention to disgruntled called out ones who don't want to hear about a surrendered life.

There's an ignore option, im sure there's a nice crowd of others waiting for you there.

 

[Dino246]

There was some trouble translating faith, pistis, into the English language.

Do have notes from Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, or any of the other early translators to support your assertion?

Or, as I suspect, are you just railing at the unfortunate change in meaning of "believe" between the early 1500's and today?

 

[rewriter]

Do have notes from Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, or any of the other early translators to support your assertion?

Or, as I suspect, are you just railing at the unfortunate change in meaning of "believe" between the early 1500's and today?

I tend to like what my Greek prof told our class about belief and faith. He told us, belief loudly proclaim itself, possibly "that chair will support me if I sit in it". Faith does not make any such statements, it just sits in the chair.

 

[Bible_Locket]

Ephesians 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[wattie]

The great distinction is the separation between the faith that leads to eternal salvation, aka John 3, 5, 8, 10..and the faith of daily service to Jesus aka James 2 and the like.

 

[Watchman22]

Ephesians 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

In that verse, Grace is the gift, the unmerited favor we cannot add to or have any part of.

Faith in that verse is our response to that Grace or unmerited favor.

Faith in that verse, pistis is a noun, conviction, reliance upon.

The corresponding verb to pistis, the application of that faith is pisteuo," (vines) a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. " which is the saving faith response to that unmerited favor, Grace.

 

[Watchman22]

Ephesians 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

The application of faith, pisisteo , faithing is the one thing He will not force upon us. He can do everything else for us, but we gotta faithe. He could provide redemption, and covering our sins. He could provide direction. He can create mansions, pour His spirit out on us, but without faith, it is impossible to please God.

Without a daily, personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender, it is impossible to please God.

 

[Bible_Locket]

The application of faith, pisisteo , faithing is the one thing He will not force upon us. He can do everything else for us, but we gotta faithe. He could provide redemption, and covering our sins. He could provide direction. He can create mansions, pour His spirit out on us, but without faith, it is impossible to please God.

Without a daily, personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender, it is impossible to please God.

Nothig in the Ephesians verse not any Gospel writing refers to force.

Don't interpolate by implication falsehood into the Gospel as written.

 

[Bible_Locket]

In that verse, Grace is the gift, the unmerited favor we cannot add to or have any part of.

Faith in that verse is our response to that Grace or unmerited favor.

Faith in that verse, pistis is a noun, conviction, reliance upon.

The corresponding verb to pistis, the application of that faith is pisteuo," (vines) a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. " which is the saving faith response to that unmerited favor, Grace.

I suggest you read
1 Corinthians 2.

God bestows faith. We don't choose to have faith.

 

[Watchman22]

Nothig in the Ephesians verse not any Gospel writing refers to force.

Don't interpolate by implication falsehood into the Gospel as written.

Thats why i said He will never force us to faithe?

 

[Watchman22]

I suggest you read
1 Corinthians 2.

God bestows faith. We don't choose to have faith.

I suggest you start the faith life correctly, before you claim Christ , His word, and His promises are yours.

 

[Watchman22]

I suggest you read
1 Corinthians 2.

God bestows faith. We don't choose to have faith.

If the called out ones don't recognize what biblical saving faith is, how could they be fulfilling it, making God, His Son, His Spirit, His word, and the promises in His word there's to claim.

Simple discernment.

 

[Bible_Locket]

If the called out ones don't recognize what biblical saving faith is, how could they be fulfilling it, making God, His Son, His Spirit, His word, and the promises in His word there's to claim.

Simple discernment.

They are able to discern because God bestows faith and understanding.

You should read 1 Corinthians 2.