Bearing fruit

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Exactly.

Grace empowers to not sin.

There are kinds of grace that dont teach denying ungodliness or worldly lusts and despise teachings of obedience and seems to be against living righteously and godly in this present world.

I didnt quote your other paragraph because I dont believe quoting a few scriptures to one point on grace concerning denying such lusts misses another point in scripture elsewhere concerning loving ones brother (and moreso in deed than just word and tongue).

Both can be valid, that being introduced there seemed more like a mountain trial away from the first point

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well good now you have an idea how people are hearing your teaching.

So abiding in His righteousness to stay saved.

What empowers us to abide in Him?

Is it you or is it Him?

It is Him. Now answer my question.

 

[Cee]

Okay in answer to your question, I can already tell you have a much lighter definition of sin than me. What do you define sin as?

Jesus command is to love one another, the fruit of the Spirit shows us what it looks like, if people don't follow the Spirit they are in the flesh.

I believe people are righteous because they are saved, people struggle, but the don't desire to sin. If they do, I doubt their salvation.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It is they who are false teachers with no fruit, completely blind by their self-righteousness.

There it is again, even after being warned. tsk tsk.

 

[Cee]

Perfect then you believe in Grace. We are believe the same.

He empowers us to abide in Him. And His empowerment produces FRUIT please notice we are beyond not sinning, now we are talking about fruit.

Fruit is not simply not sinning. That is the biggest issue right now, people have nothing to repent to without understanding what bearing fruit actually is.

They look at their life and say ooo I didn't lie today, etc etc. But the reality is that's where we start, now we can move into producing fruit.

What is fruit in Scripture that we produce from His grace that empowers us to abide in Him?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Okay in answer to your question, I can already tell you have a much lighter definition of sin than me. What do you define sin as?

Jesus command is to love one another, the fruit of the Spirit shows us what it looks like, if people don't follow the Spirit they are in the flesh.

I believe people are righteous because they are saved, people struggle, but the don't desire to sin. If they do, I doubt their salvation.

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.

Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

 

[Cee]

You're right, so far you have avoided it.

Next question, why did the Galatians fall from Grace?

There it is again, even after being warned. tsk tsk.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

when yesterday, you just threw up 1st John 3-8 and wrongly said that verse means that if a person sins, he is of the devil, and would thereby be disqualified from salvation. 1st of all, that is talking about I sinful lifestyle, not individual mistakes and failures. if that were the case, he just contradicted himself from chapter 1. 2, by mis-interptating that verse. you ( wrongly) implied that a person has to be sinless for God to accept them, meaning we save ourself by our own merit. so, you did not directly say it, but you certainly implied it.

I appreciate being quoted

 

[Cee]

If they were previously saved...

You already said HIS GRACE empowers them to abide right? If that's true I believe they are not saved if they don't abide, unless you don't?

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If they were previously saved...

You already said HIS GRACE empowers them to abide right? If that's true I believe they are not saved if they don't abide, unless you don't?

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.


Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

 

[UnderGrace]

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.


Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

We do not abide in Christ's righteousness His righteousness is imputed.

Done Once, Finished!

 

[gb9]

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.


Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

excuse me please cee, i'll answer feel ,free to disagree. the answer is no, because they were never truly saved to begin with.

 

[Cee]

What if sin, was actually connected to loving others?

And denying lusts is actually about selfish gain, instead of loving others, sin to me is when we don't follow the Lord's command to love one another. So they are extremely connected.

Paul says all things are legal, but not profitable.

God wants His people to follow Him out of freedom. He wants them to love as He loved them. That's why it says He's no longer counting their sins against them.

We have been set free to love. Teaching people freedom in Christ allows them to love freely.

There are kinds of grace that dont teach denying ungodliness or worldly lusts and despise teachings of obedience and seems to be against living righteously and godly in this present world.

I didnt quote your other paragraph because I dont believe quoting a few scriptures to one point on grace concerning denying such lusts misses another point in scripture elsewhere concerning loving ones brother (and moreso in deed than just word and tongue).

Both can be valid, that being introduced there seemed more like a mountain trial away from the first point

 

[God4me]

this coming from a guy who thinks it is a sin not to wear a suit and tie to church. so your falsehoods are meaningless. grace777x7 speaks tons of truth. I do not agree with everything he says, but he out-truths you by leaps and bounds.

I didn't say it was a sin not to wear a suit & tie, I said scruffy dressers have no respect for God, their ministry or the people they minister to.
JP is a false grace teacher, and look how scruffy he dresses, the long hair scruffy man wouldn't get into some night clubs, never mind behind a pulpit.

 

[Chester]

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.


Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

NO !!!!!!!!!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

We do not abide in Christ's righteousness His righteousness is imputed.

Done Once, Finished!

If you do not abide in Christ, then who do you abide in? Also you did not answer the question either. Seems you guys are having trouble giving an honest yes or no answer to my question.

 

[Cee]

excuse me please cee, i'll answer feel ,free to disagree. the answer is no, because they were never truly saved to begin with.

As John says, they left us because they were not one of us.

 

[UnderGrace]

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.


Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

If they are saved and have Christ's righteousness in them they are saved.

Again I ask you show me in scripture your magic number for unrepentant willful sin. I think I asked three days ago!

 

[Grace777x70]

Just popping in to see how things are going...Hmmm I have a question to those who ask about "living after the flesh"..and what this means in terms of "going to heaven to be with the Lord - when we are sealed with the Holy Spirit"...

ISIT - answer this question.

I believe this question will reveal some things. It is a legitimate question about "real life" situations and living after the flesh.

Answer the question below so that we understand what "living after the flesh" looks like in real life:

Let's look at this sin business for a bit. Slander is just as much a sin as fornication. ( Gal. 5 )

So, let's say someone has been slandering other people for years. All of a sudden they die...does this one that was slandering people now not go to heaven?

...in some people's thinking they would go to hell because they have been "living after the flesh"?

Or what about gluttony which is a sin - what if someone has a battle with overeating all the time and they die - do they go to hell because they were not able to overcome this as this is "living after the flesh" too?

These 2 scenarios above would be people "living in the flesh" and as you call being a servant to sin ( even though they are free in Christ but don't know it yet and haven't gown up in the Lord enough spiritually to overcome them ).

These 2 groups of people in some people's theology would not be children of God and thus go to hell..is that right?

So, to answer a question about can people live in "willful sin" affect where they spend eternity?

Please feel free to give an answer to the above question. Thank you.




I actually do believe that wilful sin will affect eternal security. If people wilfully reject the sacrifice of Jesus for sin and try to obtain their own righteousness by doing "good works" - these will die in their sin and face the Lord. Rejecting Christ is a willful sin.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

excuse me please cee, i'll answer feel ,free to disagree. the answer is no, because they were never truly saved to begin with.

Don't try to change the question, just answer the question yes or no.

Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?