Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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Wait a second now.. So you mean to tell me that the obeyed God and did not obtain salvation? I beg to differ.
And I will share the following scripture and you can explain if you still believe they were not given salvation.
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
So these saints that were sleeping? Who were they and why did they obtain salvation? If they were already dead prior to Jesus dying on the cross?
Jesus yielded up the Ghost to the Father. He told the sinner on the cross today you will be in paradise. People argue Jesus didn't raise till 3 days later. But it appears Jesus went to the Father Immediately! And it was the body that was raised from the dead 3 days later.
Jesus went directly to the Father according to this account. And all the saints were raised from their graves. Seems like salvation for the saints. But correct me if im wrong, just show me scripture to back up your points.
I agree with Guojing. Salvation became easier than the OT covenant.
And I will share the following scripture and you can explain if you still believe they were not given salvation.
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
So these saints that were sleeping? Who were they and why did they obtain salvation? If they were already dead prior to Jesus dying on the cross?
Jesus yielded up the Ghost to the Father. He told the sinner on the cross today you will be in paradise. People argue Jesus didn't raise till 3 days later. But it appears Jesus went to the Father Immediately! And it was the body that was raised from the dead 3 days later.
Jesus went directly to the Father according to this account. And all the saints were raised from their graves. Seems like salvation for the saints. But correct me if im wrong, just show me scripture to back up your points.
I agree with Guojing. Salvation became easier than the OT covenant.
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When did those OT saints receive salvation? Upon the resurrection of Christ. If they were saved in their lifetime they would have been immediately with the Lord upon death. They were not saved from their sin yet, but because of their obedience they were kept at rest in Abraham’s bosom until Christ paid for their sin.
Christ did not ascend to the Father until His resurrection on the third day. Paradise is Abraham’s bosom which was in the heart of the earth but now translated to heaven. Christ’s spirit was given back to the Father upon death, His soul went to the heart of the earth, and His body in the tomb.
John 20
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Christ did not ascend to the Father until His resurrection on the third day. Paradise is Abraham’s bosom which was in the heart of the earth but now translated to heaven. Christ’s spirit was given back to the Father upon death, His soul went to the heart of the earth, and His body in the tomb.
John 20
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
You originally said they did not obtain salvation. Im glad you were able to see they obtained salavtion.
As for the fact of ascending and descending I would need more verses then the one you provided. Jesus walked with the apostles for like 40 days before He ascended? I would need to study more on this topic to be definitive. Maybe someone has scriptures for this specific timeline of events after the cross.
As for the fact of ascending and descending I would need more verses then the one you provided. Jesus walked with the apostles for like 40 days before He ascended? I would need to study more on this topic to be definitive. Maybe someone has scriptures for this specific timeline of events after the cross.
They did not obtain salvation in their lifetime. Their sin needed to be dealt with.
Ephesians 4:
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Ephesians 4:
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
It would seem if a person has faith in Jesus then they would have faith in the cross of Calvary.
For faith in Jesus is believing He is Lord and Savior, so they would have to believe in the cross for that is how He is Savior.
Now many people believe in Jesus as a good man, a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, and some an ascended master, and avatar, but not as Lord and Savior.
So they do not place their faith in Jesus for salvation for they do not view Him as giving salvation, although they can view Him as a man that is a stepping stone to get them started, or add to their spiritual enlightenment.
But then these same people say you can also look to other people for the same thing, people that teach in spiritual enlightenment from other religions.
So no one can truly have faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior unless they have faith in the cross for that is how they receive that salvation which they are claiming.
No one says they have faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior apart from the cross, for everybody else will view Him different for they do not look to Him as the Savior, so they do not look to cross.
Although some people look to the cross, but interpret it differently than the act that gave salvation, but they do not have faith in Jesus for salvation.
For faith in Jesus is believing He is Lord and Savior, so they would have to believe in the cross for that is how He is Savior.
Now many people believe in Jesus as a good man, a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, and some an ascended master, and avatar, but not as Lord and Savior.
So they do not place their faith in Jesus for salvation for they do not view Him as giving salvation, although they can view Him as a man that is a stepping stone to get them started, or add to their spiritual enlightenment.
But then these same people say you can also look to other people for the same thing, people that teach in spiritual enlightenment from other religions.
So no one can truly have faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior unless they have faith in the cross for that is how they receive that salvation which they are claiming.
No one says they have faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior apart from the cross, for everybody else will view Him different for they do not look to Him as the Savior, so they do not look to cross.
Although some people look to the cross, but interpret it differently than the act that gave salvation, but they do not have faith in Jesus for salvation.
I think people have to know what Jesus did on the cross to understand his resurrection.
There are many false gospels put there that claim Jesus didnt die for our sins, he was reincarnated, or some really good man, even muslims believe false things about Jesus.
So yea the cross is important, cant have a cross-less christianity. Its not so much the method of death or the cross itself, like the wood he was crucified on, but that he gave his life for us, his blood was poured out, that was the ransom that paid for our sin.
I think people arent quite getting that, like ok the israelites had to place the blood of the lamb, where...? On the DOORPOSTS. They could have put it on anywhere else? No because God specified it was to be placed on the doorposts. So the angel of death could passover them and they wouldnt. Be killed in the plagues.
There are many false gospels put there that claim Jesus didnt die for our sins, he was reincarnated, or some really good man, even muslims believe false things about Jesus.
So yea the cross is important, cant have a cross-less christianity. Its not so much the method of death or the cross itself, like the wood he was crucified on, but that he gave his life for us, his blood was poured out, that was the ransom that paid for our sin.
I think people arent quite getting that, like ok the israelites had to place the blood of the lamb, where...? On the DOORPOSTS. They could have put it on anywhere else? No because God specified it was to be placed on the doorposts. So the angel of death could passover them and they wouldnt. Be killed in the plagues.
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it's an illogical question. it's like 'do you still beat your wife?'
believing in a Messiah who did not do / does not do the work He did / does on the cross is believing in a false Messiah.
your question has the implicit premise that someone can put their faith in a false Christ and the true Christ simultaneously.
no; you cannot obtain salvation through a counterfeit Jesus.
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Whos jimmy swaggart, I mean, should we be listening or taking any noitce of him, if we already read the Bible and know what it says.
If hes your pastor or preacher, great, but I would rather go to scripture than just repeat what my pastor says, cos he doesnt talk about every single thing everyone needs to know. Hes only gives 20 minute sermons once a week! The Bible takes daily study. I mean all preachers must know the basics of the gospel, its a given.
Having said that, many false preachers water down the gospel or embellish it with their own ideas.
If hes your pastor or preacher, great, but I would rather go to scripture than just repeat what my pastor says, cos he doesnt talk about every single thing everyone needs to know. Hes only gives 20 minute sermons once a week! The Bible takes daily study. I mean all preachers must know the basics of the gospel, its a given.
Having said that, many false preachers water down the gospel or embellish it with their own ideas.
Short Answer: No.
Everyone must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ AND His finished work of redemption in His death, burial, and resurrection. His death on the cross was the supreme sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Each one must believe that their personal sins were laid on Him, and that Christ paid the full penalty for their sins. Each one must believe that when they truly repent of their sins and idols, then their sins are remitted (forgiven).
And it is the blood of Jesus Christ -- God's Son -- which has purchased our redemption and keeps on cleansing us from all our sins.
All of this must be presented in the preaching of the Gospel. Whether or not it is being done faithful by all preachers is a different matter.
Everyone must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ AND His finished work of redemption in His death, burial, and resurrection. His death on the cross was the supreme sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Each one must believe that their personal sins were laid on Him, and that Christ paid the full penalty for their sins. Each one must believe that when they truly repent of their sins and idols, then their sins are remitted (forgiven).
And it is the blood of Jesus Christ -- God's Son -- which has purchased our redemption and keeps on cleansing us from all our sins.
All of this must be presented in the preaching of the Gospel. Whether or not it is being done faithful by all preachers is a different matter.
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