BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[eternally-gratefull]

Again, the curse of the law, that is punishment and death, has been nailed to the cross. Our sin is not imputed against us, as I have said many times in different words all based on the teachings of the Master. I do not worry about your salvation in regards to questioning it, for that is not my desire nor my right, but I am concerned for how you understand the plain, straightforward teachings of Yeshua. I do not study for my salvation; I study to be found approved.

lol, So how can the law, Which was given to curse us, Be found to make us approved?

That makes no sense.

 

[JaumeJ]

If you, one who is concerned about my salvation, do not already know this, I am afraid you will have to go to the Source for this.

The Word of Yahweh is no lol matter, at least not for those who love Him.

Tell us all why we should not study all of the Word, especially the law.

PS. No one who believes as I in this forum has condemned nor intimated those who do not observe the law are not saved, but, to me, and I get this from the Word, it seems odd to me for any who believe they obey the law by their new nature would ever consider the law as abolished, especially when Yeshua teaches this is not the case.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you, one who is concerned about my salvation, do not already know this, I am afraid you will have to go to the Source for this.

The Word of Yahweh is no lol matter, at least not for those who love Him.

Tell us all why we should not study all of the Word, especially the law.

PS. No one who believes as I in this forum has condemned nor intimated those who do not observe the law are not saved, but, to me, and I get this from the Word, it seems odd to me for any who believe they obey the law by their new nature would ever consider the law as abolished, especially when Yeshua teaches this is not the case.

if you have to study the law, Which was given to BRING YOU TO CHRIST, I have to worry about you. Have you found CHrist?

 

[2Thewaters]

If we are obedient to the Bible you have to worry about me?

that is crazy

The real gospel is being good by the BLOOD OF JESUS POWER IN YOUR LIFE.

"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) his steps:" -1 Peter 2:21.

(depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life)

"Let us therefore follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another." -Romans 14:19.

"Follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy." -1 Corinthians 14:1.

"Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life)after, if that I may seize grasp and ttach to that for which also I am attached of Christ Jesus." -Philippians 3:12.

"See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men." -1 Thessalonians 5:15.

"For yourselves know how ye ought to follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;" -2 Thessalonians 3:7.

"Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) us." -2 Thessalonians 3:9.

"But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness." -1 Timothy 6:11.

"Flee also youthful lusts: but follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart." -2 Timothy 2:22.

"Follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" -Hebrews 12:14.

"Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow (departing from their old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) , considering the end of their conversation." -Hebrews 13:7.

"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) his steps:" -1 Peter 2:21.

"And many shall follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." -2 Peter 2:2.

"Beloved, follow (depart from your old sinful selfish life and now live Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God." -3 John 1:11.

"These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow (departed from their old sinful selfish life and now living Jesus’s life of complete obedience to the word of God life) the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, beingthe firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb." -Revelation 14:4.

 

[2Thewaters]

if you have to study the law, Which was given to BRING YOU TO CHRIST, I have to worry about you. Have you found CHrist?

You are completely outside the Bible

repent



"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." -James 1:25.


"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:" -James 2:8.


"But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors." -James 2:9.


"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." -James 2:10.


"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." -James 2:11.


"So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." -James 2:12.




"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." -1 John 3:4.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are completely outside the Bible

repent



"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." -James 1:25.


"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:" -James 2:8.


"But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors." -James 2:9.


"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." -James 2:10.


"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." -James 2:11.


"So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." -James 2:12.




"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." -1 John 3:4.

I have repented.

Thats why I am saved.

You repent.

 

[JaumeJ]

Yahweh brought me to Yeshua almost 50 years ago. With the infilling of the Holy Spirit there were many gifts of miracles affirming what I was learning and what I learn, just is is the case with any other who believes the Only Begotten Son of the Most High God. Now if you are weird about the name Yeshua, transliterated from the Hebrew, here is your transliterated fromt he Latin version. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Salvation, no other.

Now I ask you to stop this Torrequemada approach in your sharing the Word of Yahweh, for this was done over 500 years ago, and it did not work then, and previously it was done in Jerusalem.

 

[BradC]

Because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, we obey the law by our new man, our new nature, but this is no reason not to know the law, to study the law that is.

Yes, we are free of the curse of the law, death, but in no manner is anyone who believes Yeshua to teach against the least of those laws.

Now, in order to live in this grace, one must replace the teachings of the masses with just a little common sense, always referring to the Word by the Holy Spirt. The law is good. The law is holy. Do not think it is not, for sin continues until we are perfected, and this is by Yeshua.

We grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and not the law. The spirit reveals Christ and the words of Christ and not the law. The law came by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Christ is not just the end of the curse of the law but the law as a whole. It is the law of the Spirit that makes us free from the law of sin and death and not the law that came by Moses.

KEEPING THE SABBATH DOES NOTHING TO MAKE YOU SPIRITUAL. THE LAW IS SPIRITUAL BUT KEEPING THE LAW DOES NOTHING TO MAKE YOU SPIRITUAL. TO ABSTAIN FROM COMMITTING ADULTERY OR FORNICATION DOES NOT MAKE YOU SPIRITUAL. FOR THE LAW CAN BE KEPT BY THE FLESH AND WHEN THE FLESH KEEPS WHAT IS IN THE LAW IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING SPIRITUAL. MANY MARRIED COUPLES PRACTICE WHAT IS IN THE LAW BUT THEY REJECT CHRIST AND WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOSPEL. PRACTICING WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THE LAW DOES NOTHING TO MAKE THEM SPIRITUAL.

WALKING BY FAITH IN THE PROMISES OF GOD MAKES US SPIRITUAL. BEING LEAD BY THE SPIRITUAL MAKES US SPIRITUAL. HAVING THE SPIRIT SHED THE LOVE OF GOD IN OUR HEART MAKES US SPIRITUAL. RECEIVING GRACE WHEN WE HAVE SINNED MAKES US SPIRITUAL. THE SPIRITUAL MAN DISCERNS THE THINGS OF GOD THROUGH THE SPIRIT AND NOT THROUGH KEEPING THE LAW THROUGH THE FLESH.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yahweh brought me to Yeshua almost 50 years ago. With the infilling of the Holy Spirit there were many gifts of miracles affirming what I was learning and what I learn, just is is the case with any other who believes the Only Begotten Son of the Most High God. Now if you are weird about the name Yeshua, transliterated from the Hebrew, here is your transliterated fromt he Latin version. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Salvation, no other.

Now I ask you to stop this Torrequemada approach in your sharing the Word of Yahweh, for this was done over 500 years ago, and it did not work then, and previously it was done in Jerusalem.

yep it was done in jerusalem. In corinth, In Rome and Galatia. Even in northern turkey,

And as we see from people like you. People still want to add law to grace.

 

[Hoffco]

lol, So how can the law, Which was given to curse us, Be found to make us approved?

That makes no sense.

The LAW of GOD was not given to curse us. The law was given to bless us, with a good life and prosperous life. To LOVE the LORD with all your heart, does not curse us, it blesses us. To love our neighbors as we love ourselves, does not curse us, it blesses us with good neighbors. The curse comes, ONLY, if we brake the law. And with the curse comes the mercy, grace to show how to be forgiven: Repent ,trust and obey God. Do I need to say anymore? Love to all, Hoffco

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The LAW of GOD was not given to curse us. The law was given to bless us,

Wrong. It was given to prove we are cursed. because as paul and moses said, Cursed is everyone who does not confirm and obey ALL the words of the law.

with a good life and prosperous life. To LOVE the LORD with all your heart, does not curse us, it blesses us. To love our neighbors as we love ourselves, does not curse us, it blesses us with good neighbors. The curse comes, ONLY, if we brake the law. And with the curse comes the mercy, grace to show how to be forgiven: Repent ,trust and obey God. Do I need to say anymore? Love to all, Hoffco

The curse comes if you do not fulfill the law. Which means yuo better be perfect. As scripture says, if you break even the least of the law. your found guilty of the whole law.

 

[JaumeJ]

I refer to that nefarious approach because of your condemnation and inquisitorial approach to others in Yeshua, now I must put you on the back burner to seethe in the juice you have concocted. May Yahweh bring you to His Light, amen.

Yahweh brought me to Yeshua almost 50 years ago. With the infilling of the Holy Spirit there were many gifts of miracles affirming what I was learning and what I learn, just is is the case with any other who believes the Only Begotten Son of the Most High God. Now if you are weird about the name Yeshua, transliterated from the Hebrew, here is your transliterated fromt he Latin version. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Salvation, no other.

Now I ask you to stop this Torrequemada approach in your sharing the Word of Yahweh, for this was done over 500 years ago, and it did not work then, and previously it was done in Jerusalem.

yep it was done in jerusalem. In corinth, In Rome and Galatia. Even in northern turkey,

And as we see from people like you. People still want to add law to grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I refer to that nefarious approach because of your condemnation and inquisitorial approach to others in Yeshua, now I must put you on the back burner to seethe in the juice you have concocted. May Yahweh bring you to His Light, amen.

God brought me to his light.

May he show you the truth, and the true way to be found righteous (not saved but morally good)

 

[Hoffco]

We need to see that law and grace are friends, they are both given by God to save us, to bless us. Grace does not change Gods laws, GOD changes His "bad" "extra" "mean" "hard to bear" laws. Christ changed only the "nonessential", "superficial", laws of the old Testament, not the moral law. Christ upholds all His, God's, Morals laws in the Old T.. NO ONE can follow Christ in truth, and keep the superficial laws of the O.T. As 2thewaters has stated the laws of the new T. , the laws of Christ are the ONLY laws we are to follow. You who want the old with the new are ,are NOT of Christ., REPENT or perish; and you who think you are above the LAWS of Christ are lost, REPENT or perish. Faith without works will send you to Hell. Sorry, But, this God's truth. Love to all. Hoffco

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We need to see that law and grace are friends, they are both given by God to save us, to bless us. Grace does not change Gods laws, GOD changes His "bad" "extra" "mean" "hard to bear" laws. Christ changed only the "nonessential", "superficial", laws of the old Testament, not the moral law. Christ upholds all His, God's, Morals laws in the Old T.. NO ONE can follow Christ in truth, and keep the superficial laws of the O.T. As 2thewaters has stated the laws of the new T. , the laws of Christ are the ONLY laws we are to follow. You who want the old with the new are ,are NOT of Christ., REPENT or perish; and you who think you are above the LAWS of Christ are lost, REPENT or perish. Faith without works will send you to Hell. Sorry, But, this God's truth. Love to all. Hoffco

grace and the law are at odds.

the law condemns. Grace saves, because the law condemns.

 

[Hoffco]

grace and the law are at odds.

the law condemns. Grace saves, because the law condemns.

You are sooo deceived, pigheaded and narrow minded: You only see ONE side of the truth. Please read Psa.1, 19:7-11 etc. and Rom. 2:13 Rom. 3:31 Rom. 7:12-14, 25, etc.; You will not be saved, unless you love and obey The LAW of Christ, God.'s law for today. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are sooo deceived, pigheaded and narrow minded: You only see ONE side of the truth. Please read Psa.1, 19:7-11 etc. and Rom. 2:13 Rom. 3:31 Rom. 7:12-14, 25, etc.; You will not be saved, unless you love and obey The LAW of Christ, God.'s law for today. Love to all, Hoffco

You are SOOOOOO decieved, pigheaded and narrow minded. You are just like the jews Paul had to fight against.

Please see what Moses and Paul says about the law. You can not obey the law enough to be saved, Thus you are condemned by the law.

Stop trying to save yourself. and let God save you!

 

[RedTent]

grace and the law are at odds.

the law condemns. Grace saves, because the law condemns.

As far as I can see almost everything you say has truth in it, but it is twisted into something that is the opposite to truth.

We are in danger, you say, if we HAVE to study law". It is taking the truth that law does not save on to the extreme of suggesting we do not learn what the law of God is.

You speak against law (although you deny that) and say you repent. If you don't know law, how can you know what to repent from? God says to fill our minds, and this sounds as if you are against filling minds. You say the Holy Spirit is enough to fill our minds, without letting our minds learn what the Holy Spirit teaches.

You agree that God gives grace, but you say that if you have grace but law is at odds with grace, as if God didn't also give law. You say the law God gave us we only a curse to us, yet scripture says that God gives love, not curses. God gives us the law, God gives us love. I should think it would be truth that sin curses us and the law points out sin, but what God gives blesses us rather than curse.

You say the ONLY use of law is to prove we are cursed by it, yet scripture gives over and over the good of the law, not only that it tells us of the sin that kills.

You are using truths of scripture to make them tell lies about scripture.

 

[Hoffco]

This exactly as the Bible, God, Christ, tells us to, "the righteous go to eternal life" "enter in at the narrow gate" "depart from Me, you workers of iniquity", "Repent and be baptized", "SAVE yourself", "be saved from this perverse generation", " you will both save yourself and those who hear you", "they who endure to the end, will be saved", Jesus is "the source, author, of eternal life to those who OBEY Him" ; How much more do you need to hear? Love to all, Hoffco

 

[BradC]

There is a difference between the law that came by Moses and the word that produces faith that we live by and are quickened by through the Holy Spirit. We can never be quickened by the law of Moses because the law was given that every mouth might be shut and the whole world would become guilty before God. The guilt that we get from the law reveals that God is Holy and righteousness and that we have nothing in us to be able to live a Holy life, we fall short. The word that we are quickened by gives us life and the mind of Christ. This word that comes from Christ and speaks to us is Spirit and life. The law is not able to give us life through the Spirit and it came through Moses when the people were living in sin through the lust of the flesh. They lived in sin with no fear of God but wanted Moses to give them something they could follow. The cloud by day and the fire by night was not enough and eventually when they entered the promised land they wanted a king to rule over them. They law that restricts the flesh is needed for those who are lawless and is not for those who are spiritual being led and guided by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit can convict of sin quicker then any law can do and before the judgment of God can bring any condemnation. The Holy Spirit is an adversary to our flesh and when we agree with him quickly we are able to escape being delivered over to the judge who will sentence us to be imprisoned to the flesh until we have paid the uttermost farthing.