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greatkraw
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I was having a go at CupOfRuin he hijacked the thread to take it back to fixed earth.
So I thought I would introduce (one of)his other hobby horse(s). He does have entertainment value.
Wanna look up kasars?
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wwjd_kilden
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Cup-of-Ruin
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Ya, OK, you can go to my "The Fixed Earth" thread if you would like to learn more about the nature of the Universe in which you live. I have answered all the Foucault Pendulum questions in that thread.
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Cup-of-Ruin
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I was having a go at CupOfRuin he hijacked the thread to take it back to fixed earth.
So I thought I would introduce (one of)his other hobby horse(s). He does have entertainment value.
Wanna look up kasars?
Now that is not fair, the conflict between heliocentricity and geocentricity and the invention of Relativity are all related and are important to understanding this thread, as I pointed out and I am within the subject nature of the thread, so I think you are being unfair. (Khazars, BTW)
Cup of Ruin, as a heliocentric flat-earther myself, I'm on your side. People have closed their minds to the truth.
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greatkraw
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Cup-of-Ruin
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We're definitely not on the same side 'Snail, i'm a spherical Earth Geocentrist.
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Graybeard
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Cup-of-Ruin
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Well it does not, sphere's can be quartered, did you know that? Also to draw a 'circumference' on the 'face' (surface) from all sides (omnipresent God) clearly denotes a spherical Earth, so the Bible clearly describes a spherical Earth, which is understood by the reading comprehension of a reasonable mind, and this of course agrees with the various ways one can physically determine the shape of the Earth.
Or you can be obtuse and contrary, which seems to be the desire of some on this thread.
Spheres don't have corners, not even a quartered sphere has four corners but has two at each end, giving a total of two times four corners!!
The bible is correct that the earth is flat:
Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
There are four corners on the earth and it would be difficult for angels to stand on corners that were underneath!
If it is really a sphere, why are large bodies of water flat? Past experiments have not detected any curvature in great lakes and therefore the earth is not sphere it is flat. No physical experiments to date have proven that the earth is round. It is even common sense, that if the earth was round, people living at the bottom would fall off into outer space.
The bible is correct that the earth is flat:
Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
There are four corners on the earth and it would be difficult for angels to stand on corners that were underneath!
If it is really a sphere, why are large bodies of water flat? Past experiments have not detected any curvature in great lakes and therefore the earth is not sphere it is flat. No physical experiments to date have proven that the earth is round. It is even common sense, that if the earth was round, people living at the bottom would fall off into outer space.
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Graybeard
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well a sphere does not have corners does it
Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
The earth has ends (edges) that can be grabbed hold of:
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
A sphere does not have ends or edges.
Job says the earth is flat like a seal:
Job 38:14 It is turned like clay under a seal; and they stand forth like a garment.
A circle is FLAT. A circle is a 2 dimensional object. The heavens is like a tent which covers the flat earth:
God sits upon the circle of the earth (not sits on the bottom of it, because there is no underneath)
Isa 40:22 It is He who sits on the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in;
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
A sphere does not have ends or edges.
Job says the earth is flat like a seal:
Job 38:14 It is turned like clay under a seal; and they stand forth like a garment.
A circle is FLAT. A circle is a 2 dimensional object. The heavens is like a tent which covers the flat earth:
God sits upon the circle of the earth (not sits on the bottom of it, because there is no underneath)
Isa 40:22 It is He who sits on the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in;
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Graybeard
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and the earth is flat held up by pillars:
1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
Psa 75:3 The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.
1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
Psa 75:3 The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.
The earth has foundations, which it (being flat) is laid upon:
Psa 104:5 He laid the earth on its foundations; it shall not be shaken forever.
Job 38:4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell if you have understanding!
A spherical earth has no foundations, it is a ball suspended in space.
It even says the foundations of the earth below cannot be searched, (obviously because a person would fall off the edge if they tried to go underneath):
Jer 31:37 So says Jehovah, If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be searched out, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says Jehovah.
The use of the words cornerstones, and stretching measuring lines across it all indicate a flat earth:
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
This is what the builders did by stretching a measuring line across a flat slab of concrete. Cornerstones, foundations, pillars, measuring lines, these are all references to construction of flat objects.
More verses that describe the earth being set upon pillars:
1Sa 2:8 He raises up the poor out of the dust; He lifts up the needy from the dunghill to set them among princes; yea, He causes them to inherit a throne of honor; for to Jehovah are the pillars of the earth; and He sets the habitable world on them.
What sort of earth is set upon pillars? A flat earth, obviously.
The pillars of the earth which uphold it can tremble:
Job 9:6 He who shakes the earth out of its place, and the pillars of it tremble;
God holds the pillars of the earth up:
Psa 75:3 The earth and all its people are melting away; I hold up its pillars. Selah.
If the earth was round, there would be nothing to hold up, rather, God would have to contain or press down upon the molten centre core of the earth to stop it exploding outwards, not hold up pillars.
A pillar is a column or a stand, the same word is used for pillars in buildings (see Eze 42:6) , these are pillars:
This is what the earth looks like with pillars:
Psa 104:5 He laid the earth on its foundations; it shall not be shaken forever.
Job 38:4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell if you have understanding!
A spherical earth has no foundations, it is a ball suspended in space.
It even says the foundations of the earth below cannot be searched, (obviously because a person would fall off the edge if they tried to go underneath):
Jer 31:37 So says Jehovah, If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be searched out, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says Jehovah.
The use of the words cornerstones, and stretching measuring lines across it all indicate a flat earth:
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
This is what the builders did by stretching a measuring line across a flat slab of concrete. Cornerstones, foundations, pillars, measuring lines, these are all references to construction of flat objects.
More verses that describe the earth being set upon pillars:
1Sa 2:8 He raises up the poor out of the dust; He lifts up the needy from the dunghill to set them among princes; yea, He causes them to inherit a throne of honor; for to Jehovah are the pillars of the earth; and He sets the habitable world on them.
What sort of earth is set upon pillars? A flat earth, obviously.
The pillars of the earth which uphold it can tremble:
Job 9:6 He who shakes the earth out of its place, and the pillars of it tremble;
God holds the pillars of the earth up:
Psa 75:3 The earth and all its people are melting away; I hold up its pillars. Selah.
If the earth was round, there would be nothing to hold up, rather, God would have to contain or press down upon the molten centre core of the earth to stop it exploding outwards, not hold up pillars.
A pillar is a column or a stand, the same word is used for pillars in buildings (see Eze 42:6) , these are pillars:
This is what the earth looks like with pillars:
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wwjd_kilden
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Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, .
are you also claiming this is a literal lion?
are you also claiming this is a literal lion?
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Markus
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Four corners could just mean north, south, east and west. I think we shouldn't build worldviews that are only based on poetic texts.
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