'biggest threat since 9/11' that closed 19 U.S. embassies across Muslim world

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RachelBibleStudent:


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do you believe al-Qaeda had many fortresses just like this one (from where they planned 9-11)?

do you believe al-Qaeda had many fortresses just like this one (from where they planned 9-11)?

thanks for answering.
zone
 
...Watergate does not bother me, does your conscience bother you, tell me true...

I have plenty of reasons to dislike Richard Nixon, watergate is not one of them.


Watergate was a big, huge, giant, NOTHING, It was a political party spying on a political party, childs play when you see the abuses against ordinary citizens taking place now, especially compared to the crimes against the Constitution obama has committed. I don't believe it is possible to be a Christian and support him. He is the epitome of the wicked Biblical kings of old. He supports, and pushes for, abortion up to and INCLUDING, letting BORN ALIVE botched abortion babies DIE without allowing ANY medical care. He has been the greatest driving force behind homosexual marriage and other homosexual super -rights in the world. There are Many, many other terrible positions this disgrace advances or attempts to advance, but on those 2 issues ALONE, I don't know how somebody can claim to be a Christian and support him.

Watergate was NOT " a political party spying on a political party".
Nixon might have been one of the better presidents you had.
we'll never know...since he stopped making his own decisions.

the only ones that insist on it, get their heads blown off.
 
RachelBibleStudent:




do you believe al-Qaeda had many fortresses just like this one (from where they planned 9-11)?

thanks for answering.
zone

evidently they didn't have them...
 
evidently they didn't have them...

thx rachel.

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so, that means Donald Rumsfeld either:

1) knowingly and with malice lied to the American people, and the world, leading to what can technically be called WW3, or what has been called The War on Terror.

Definition of WORLD WAR
: a war engaged in by all or most of the principal nations of the world; especially capitalized both Ws : either of two such wars of the first half of the 20th century


OR

2) Donald Rumsfeld had been totally deceived, and was used by someone else who knowingly and with malice presented a lie to the American people, and the world, helping to lead the world into The War on Terror.

in one case there would be no conspiracy since Mr. Rumsfeld acted alone in presenting the lie.
in the other, we might have what could technically be called a conspiracy.

it's worth looking at, i think.
since 9-11 "changed everything".
things like The Patriot Act; and the DHS come to mind.
Executive Orders and UN Security Council resolutions as well.
it's quite involved.

......


sub-scenarios - to be looked at later.

do you have any other possibilities to add, assuming that America's Military Complex, especially the DoD and Pentagon have basic investigative skills and enough technology to know or not know if such fortresses ever existed or were even remotely plausible?

roughly, for starters -

1a) Donald Rumsfeld knowingly and with malice lied to the American people, and the world; created the chart/illustration/concept himself, involving no one else; the media did no investigation to verify his story, but this was merely an oversight. No NATO or UN specialists or experts checked the story, again - just human error.

1b) Donald Rumsfeld knowingly and with malice lied to the American people, and the world - and at least one other person was involved in the development and creation of the concept and illustration which deceived the American people and the world; and the media was in some way complicit since they propagated the story with no evidence of such fortresses.

1c) Donald Rumsfeld and others (likely candidates his fellow-NeoCons) co-planned and coordinated the events of 9-11 and had the lies and propaganda, and cover-ups, planned as well - years in advance. the goal was The so-called War on Terror, which is merely a means to an end; and the media was and is complicit in the entire operation.
 
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previous post, edited for objectivity:rolleyes:, bumped as background to post just above this one.
open for discussion.


The CIA’s “Founding” of Al Qaeda Documented

The Muslim Terrorist Apparatus was Created by US Intelligence as a Geopolitical Weapon

Le Nouvel Observateur’s Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski

Originally published 15-21 January 1998

The CIA’s “Founding” of Al Qaeda Documented | Veterans Today < click

....

Al Qaeda and the “War on Terrorism”

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, May 09, 2013
Global Research 20 January 2008
Introduction

One of the main objectives of war propaganda is to “fabricate an enemy”. The “outside enemy” personified by Osama bin Laden is “threatening America”.

Pre-emptive war directed against “Islamic terrorists” is required to defend the Homeland. Realities are turned upside down. America is under attack.

In the wake of 9/11, the creation of this “outside enemy” has served to obfuscate the real economic and strategic objectives behind the war in the Middle East and Central Asia. Waged on the grounds of self-defense, the pre-emptive war is upheld as a “just war” with a humanitarian mandate.

As anti-war sentiment grows and the political legitimacy the Bush Administration falters, doubts regarding the existence of this illusive “outside enemy” must be dispelled.

Counter-terrorism and war propaganda are intertwined. The propaganda apparatus feeds disinformation into the news chain. The terror warnings must appear to be “genuine”. The objective is to present the terror groups as “enemies of America.”

Ironically, Al Qaeda –the “outside enemy of America” as well as the alleged architect of the 9/11 attacks– is a creation of the CIA.

Al Qaeda and the “War on Terrorism” | Global Research < click

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A MISTAKE, OR A LIE, PRESENTED TO AMERICA AND THE WORLD, THROUGH THE MEDIA, BY DONALD RUMSFELD (and possibly others)

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Donald Rumsfeld in a TV interview with Tim Russert shows the diagram above, supposedly Al-Qaeda’s Afghan HQ.

It’s a very sophisticated operation”, says Russert

and there’s not one of those, there are many of those”, Rumsfeld says.


[video=youtube;sEJe5l_ELSA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJe5l_ELSA[/video]

Rumsfeld: Bin Laden's Mountain Fortress's
 
Al - CIAda.
Totally funded opposition.
Best enemy money can buy.
Did you hear about Israel releasing terrorists yesterday?
The cover story was to show good faith in the negotiations.
- (Yea...Right) - Same old same old.
 
Watergate was NOT " a political party spying on a political party".
Nixon might have been one of the better presidents you had.
we'll never know...since he stopped making his own decisions.

the only ones that insist on it, get their heads blown off.


It's amazing how many issues you are "in the know" of!! You seem to have a vast array of double probationary, super secret, classified info on everything from cracking the code to always win in tiddly-winks to George W. Bush's confidential candycrush addiction! Very Impressive! I keep telling my kids there's no such thing as bigfoot, do you have any INSIDE docs. that can put that baby to rest?
 
Al - CIAda.
Totally funded opposition.
Best enemy money can buy.
Did you hear about Israel releasing terrorists yesterday?
The cover story was to show good faith in the negotiations.
- (Yea...Right) - Same old same old.

ya same old same old.
it continues to work, without fail.

The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on July 22, 1946 by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization the Irgun on the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.[1][2][3] 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.[4]

In the plan, Irgun men, disguised as Arabs, except for Gideon, the leader, who would be dressed as one of the hotel's distinctive Sudanese waiters, would enter the building through a basement service entrance carrying the explosives concealed in milk cans. The cans were to be placed by the main columns supporting the wing where the majority of the offices used by the British authorities were located. The columns were in a basement nightclub known as the Régence.[5] In the final review of the plan, it was decided that the attack would take place on July 22 at 11:00, a time when there would be no people in the coffee shop in the basement in the area where the bomb was to be planted.[15] It would be possible to enter the hotel more easily at that time as well.[5]

King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
 
It's amazing how many issues you are "in the know" of!! You seem to have a vast array of double probationary, super secret, classified info on everything from cracking the code to always win in tiddly-winks to George W. Bush's confidential candycrush addiction! Very Impressive! I keep telling my kids there's no such thing as bigfoot, do you have any INSIDE docs. that can put that baby to rest?

are you finished with your kindergarten rant?

have you bothered to find out what the Watergate thing really was?
or are you just going to be all ticked off because somebody else bothered and you didn't?

it's not hard you know.
it's known as reading.

i could help if you like, but it doesn't require a decoder ring or secret knowledge.
none of it is hidden.

does it upset you that i read?

oh well:)
 
ya same old same old.
it continues to work, without fail.

The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on July 22, 1946 by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization the Irgun on the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.[1][2][3] 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.[4]

In the plan, Irgun men, disguised as Arabs, except for Gideon, the leader, who would be dressed as one of the hotel's distinctive Sudanese waiters, would enter the building through a basement service entrance carrying the explosives concealed in milk cans. The cans were to be placed by the main columns supporting the wing where the majority of the offices used by the British authorities were located. The columns were in a basement nightclub known as the Régence.[5] In the final review of the plan, it was decided that the attack would take place on July 22 at 11:00, a time when there would be no people in the coffee shop in the basement in the area where the bomb was to be planted.[15] It would be possible to enter the hotel more easily at that time as well.[5]

King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

Yea, I know.
Did you notice the bloodshed in Egypt yesterday?
The powers that be are steamed their Muslim Brotherhood aren't in control.
So they arrange for certain loss of life.
It's honestly like clockwork.
First story on the 700 club. Even though Pat Robertson himself says the muslim brotherhood are 'bad news'.
- He was a no show yesterday.
- - Totally controlled!
 
are you finished with your kindergarten rant?

have you bothered to find out what the Watergate thing really was?
or are you just going to be all ticked off because somebody else bothered and you didn't?

it's not hard you know.
it's known as reading.

i could help if you like, but it doesn't require a decoder ring or secret knowledge.
none of it is hidden.

does it upset you that i read?

oh well:)

I'm not upset at all. It has become a bit amusing actually. You probably don't even realize what a caricature of the prototypical, conspiracy theorist you are. The prob here is you not only have to read stuff on the internet, but you have to DISCERN it as well. You apparently are top notch on the former, not so much on the latter.

Kidding aside, if you are a sister in Jesus, I love you, I just think your'e getting a little crazy with this stuff. Don't be offended. Examine if there is any truth to what I'm saying. I'm grateful (eventually) when brethren tell me when I'm straying from The Lord's work. I hope you can take a little constructive criticism as well. Peace to you, in Jesus name.
 
She's right about Watergate.
Nixon was condemned for the coverup.
He had nothing to do with the planning of it.
- Called the take down of a president.
 
thx rachel.

.......

so, that means Donald Rumsfeld either:

1) knowingly and with malice lied to the American people, and the world, leading to what can technically be called WW3, or what has been called The War on Terror.

Definition of WORLD WAR
: a war engaged in by all or most of the principal nations of the world; especially capitalized both Ws : either of two such wars of the first half of the 20th century


OR

2) Donald Rumsfeld had been totally deceived, and was used by someone else who knowingly and with malice presented a lie to the American people, and the world, helping to lead the world into The War on Terror.

in one case there would be no conspiracy since Mr. Rumsfeld acted alone in presenting the lie.
in the other, we might have what could technically be called a conspiracy.

it's worth looking at, i think.
since 9-11 "changed everything".
things like The Patriot Act; and the DHS come to mind.
Executive Orders and UN Security Council resolutions as well.
it's quite involved.

......


sub-scenarios - to be looked at later.

do you have any other possibilities to add, assuming that America's Military Complex, especially the DoD and Pentagon have basic investigative skills and enough technology to know or not know if such fortresses ever existed or were even remotely plausible?

roughly, for starters -

1a) Donald Rumsfeld knowingly and with malice lied to the American people, and the world; created the chart/illustration/concept himself, involving no one else; the media did no investigation to verify his story, but this was merely an oversight. No NATO or UN specialists or experts checked the story, again - just human error.

1b) Donald Rumsfeld knowingly and with malice lied to the American people, and the world - and at least one other person was involved in the development and creation of the concept and illustration which deceived the American people and the world; and the media was in some way complicit since they propagated the story with no evidence of such fortresses.

1c) Donald Rumsfeld and others (likely candidates his fellow-NeoCons) co-planned and coordinated the events of 9-11 and had the lies and propaganda, and cover-ups, planned as well - years in advance. the goal was The so-called War on Terror, which is merely a means to an end; and the media was and is complicit in the entire operation.

i prefer a simpler explanation...rumsfeld relied on faulty intelligence...
 
there is a white jacket with long sleeves...for free...for those who believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Not even Twilight Zone at its height would propose such a ridiculous scenario.

The war on terror...I sure bet those terrorists think they did 9/11...eh?

Are we really going to go over the reasons for the Iraqi war? Let me spell it out for the uniformed liberal voter....

We had a war. It ended. A peace agreement was signed and in that agreement was a cease fire, an end to the killing if some things were followed.

Those things were not followed.

That means the cease fire agreement ends. When a cease fire agreement ends shooting starts again.

The problem was until George W Bush, no president or congress wanted to hold up that agreement and start a war with Iraq. Saddam Hussdein was thumbing his nose at us, laughing at our weakness to uphold our agreements, and made us look weak.

A weak USA was made a target. 9/11 happened. To retaliate and to insure another 9/11 did not happen again, the war was fought, in Afghanistan ( Bin Laden and associates ) and Saddam Hussein who continually broke the cease fire agreement.

It was simple, the reasons. The implimentation and consequences...well that was going to be the problem.

No conspiracy. No evil rich people controlling the world ( anymore than they already do ).

Amazing
 
OKAY....updated repost for further discussion.

The CIA’s “Founding” of Al Qaeda Documented

The Muslim Terrorist Apparatus was Created by US Intelligence as a Geopolitical Weapon

Le Nouvel Observateur’s Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski

Originally published 15-21 January 1998

The CIA’s “Founding” of Al Qaeda Documented | Veterans Today < click

....

Al Qaeda and the “War on Terrorism”

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, May 09, 2013
Global Research 20 January 2008
Introduction

One of the main objectives of war propaganda is to “fabricate an enemy”. The “outside enemy” personified by Osama bin Laden is “threatening America”.

Pre-emptive war directed against “Islamic terrorists” is required to defend the Homeland. Realities are turned upside down. America is under attack.

In the wake of 9/11, the creation of this “outside enemy” has served to obfuscate the real economic and strategic objectives behind the war in the Middle East and Central Asia. Waged on the grounds of self-defense, the pre-emptive war is upheld as a “just war” with a humanitarian mandate.

As anti-war sentiment grows and the political legitimacy the Bush Administration falters, doubts regarding the existence of this illusive “outside enemy” must be dispelled.

Counter-terrorism and war propaganda are intertwined. The propaganda apparatus feeds disinformation into the news chain. The terror warnings must appear to be “genuine”. The objective is to present the terror groups as “enemies of America.”

Ironically, Al Qaeda –the “outside enemy of America” as well as the alleged architect of the 9/11 attacks– is a creation of the CIA.

Al Qaeda and the “War on Terrorism” | Global Research < click


DONALD RUMSFELD PRESENTS THIS FAULTY INTELLIGENCE TO THE WORLD

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Donald Rumsfeld in a TV interview with Tim Russert shows the diagram above, supposedly Al-Qaeda’s Afghan HQ.

It’s a very sophisticated operation”, says Russert

and there’s not one of those, there are many of those”, Rumsfeld says.




[video=youtube;sEJe5l_ELSA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJe5l_ELSA[/video]

Rumsfeld: Bin Laden's Mountain Fortress's

i prefer a simpler explanation...rumsfeld relied on faulty intelligence...

okay so, "rumsfeld relied on faulty intelligence" is the thesis.

will come back to this later.
for now,

i guess just the basics of the thesis.
wiki will do for now:)


Donald Rumsfeld
Donald Rumsfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


re·ly (r-l)
intr.v. re·lied, re·ly·ing, re·lies
1. To be dependent for support, help, or supply: relies on her parents for tuition.
2. To place or have faith or confidence: relied on them to tell him the truth.

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fault·y (fôlt)
adj. fault·i·er, fault·i·est
1. Containing a fault or defect; imperfect or defective.
2. Obsolete Deserving of blame; guilty.


(and it's obvious we mean military intelligence)


Military intelligence
Military intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

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"rumsfeld relied on faulty intelligence" is the thesis.

the idea is, if i have it right, that there was no 9-11 conspiracy except the conspiracy undertaken by 19 arab cave-dwellers.
k....ttyl.
 
there is a white jacket with long sleeves...for free...for those who believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Not even Twilight Zone at its height would propose such a ridiculous scenario.

this sort of approach is a waste of time.
if you can possibly move beyond blabbering rhetoric and prove your claims, do so:)

The war on terror...I sure bet those terrorists think they did 9/11...eh?

which terrorists?
could you please be specific on which terrorists did 9-11?
we know their names don't we?

Are we really going to go over the reasons for the Iraqi war? Let me spell it out for the uniformed liberal voter....

;)

We had a war.

It ended.

A peace agreement was signed and in that agreement was a cease fire, an end to the killing if some things were followed.

Those things were not followed.

That means the cease fire agreement ends.

When a cease fire agreement ends shooting starts again.

The problem was until George W Bush, no president or congress wanted to hold up that agreement and start a war with Iraq.

Saddam Hussdein was thumbing his nose at us, laughing at our weakness to uphold our agreements, and made us look weak.

A weak USA was made a target.

9/11 happened.

To retaliate and to insure another 9/11 did not happen again, the war was fought, in Afghanistan

( Bin Laden and associates ) and Saddam Hussein who continually broke the cease fire agreement.

It was simple, the reasons.

The implimentation and consequences...well that was going to be the problem.

Are we really going to go over the reasons for the Iraqi war? Let me spell it out for the uniformed liberal voter....

you're going to have to do much much better than this.
to be remotely believable.
you can't though.

but i can take your infantile proposition apart in a single post....using official military documents.
which i certainly will do.:D


No conspiracy.

did the terrorists (who you will identify) commit conspiracy to carry out 9-11?

No evil rich people controlling the world ( anymore than they already do ).

whatever that means.
do rich people control the world or don't they?

this is hilarious.
be back later to see you (not) document your claims.
 
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there is a white jacket with long sleeves...for free...for those who believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Not even Twilight Zone at its height would propose such a ridiculous scenario.

The war on terror...I sure bet those terrorists think they did 9/11...eh?

hi SonInMe.

could you please list those terrorists who did 9-11?
the information is out there.
they have the names, right?

any information you have on them would be great.
like...how many were there?

waiting on you.

hopefully you won't forget.
you've consigned me to the nut-house in a straight-jacket.
we need to see who is deluded and who isn't.

it isn't me.
now we just need to determine if it's you.

official list of 9-11 hijackers here:










....
thanks ever so much.
no pressure.
 
there is a white jacket with long sleeves...for free...for those who believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Not even Twilight Zone at its height would propose such a ridiculous scenario.

The war on terror...I sure bet those terrorists think they did 9/11...eh?

Are we really going to go over the reasons for the Iraqi war? Let me spell it out for the uniformed liberal voter....

We had a war. It ended. A peace agreement was signed and in that agreement was a cease fire, an end to the killing if some things were followed.

Those things were not followed.

That means the cease fire agreement ends. When a cease fire agreement ends shooting starts again.

The problem was until George W Bush, no president or congress wanted to hold up that agreement and start a war with Iraq. Saddam Hussdein was thumbing his nose at us, laughing at our weakness to uphold our agreements, and made us look weak.

A weak USA was made a target. 9/11 happened. To retaliate and to insure another 9/11 did not happen again, the war was fought, in Afghanistan ( Bin Laden and associates ) and Saddam Hussein who continually broke the cease fire agreement.

It was simple, the reasons. The implimentation and consequences...well that was going to be the problem.

No conspiracy. No evil rich people controlling the world ( anymore than they already do ).

Amazing
Hay weight.
Eye thought we went to war because of WMDs.
No I mean we went cuz we didn't wanna fight em here so we fight em there.
Know know weight, it was cuz we were enforcing UN resolutions.
Oh no sea it cuz he was the butcher of Baghdad and harmed his own people.
KNOW KNOW KNOW, sea it was cuz ...eh...

Bush threw every reason against the wall to see which would stick.
The fact that there were soooo many reasons thrown against the wall, proves we shouldn't have been there.
 
Let me spell it out for the uniformed liberal voter....

We had a war. It ended. A peace agreement was signed and in that agreement was a cease fire, an end to the killing if some things were followed.

Those things were not followed.

That means the cease fire agreement ends. When a cease fire agreement ends shooting starts again.

The problem was until George W Bush, no president or congress wanted to hold up that agreement and start a war with Iraq. Saddam Hussdein was thumbing his nose at us, laughing at our weakness to uphold our agreements, and made us look weak.

A weak USA was made a target. 9/11 happened.


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THAT'S AN INFORMED POST IF I EVAH DID SEE ONE, SonInMe.

no, really. i mean it. seriously:)

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Nayirah Testimony refers to the controversial testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a female who provided only her first name, Nayirah. In her emotional testimony, Nayirah stated that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die. Though reporters did not then have access to Kuwait, her testimony was regarded as credible at the time and was widely publicized. It was cited numerous times by United States senators and the president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International[1] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country and found the story of stolen incubators unsubstantiated. However, they did find that a number of people, including babies, died when nurses and doctors fled the country.

In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎) and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States.

Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has largely come to be regarded as wartime propaganda.

Nayirah's testimony was widely publicized.[45] Hill & Knowlton, which had filmed the hearing, sent out a video news release to Medialink, a firm which served about 700 television stations in the United States.[46]


That night, portions of the testimony aired on ABC's Nightline and NBC Nightly News reaching an estimated audience between 35 and 53 million Americans.[44][46]

Seven senators cited Nayirah's testimony in their speeches backing the use of force.[Note 1] President George Bush repeated the story at least ten times in the following weeks.[49]

Her account of the atrocities helped to stir American opinion in favor of participation in the Gulf War.[50]


Nayirah (testimony) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


JUST MORE FAULTY INTELLIGENCE.
from a PR firm.
who also happened to be the chair of the non-governmental panel of actors (liars).

please see who they were, and what their citizenship status is.
then find out what their connection to DONALD RUMSFELD IS.
although...that's a TON of reading.

you can just go to your default kindergarten propaganda.
but i'll be following up.

ready for a nice rest in a rubber room?

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IRAQ LIBERATION ACT OF 1998
"...to establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq..."
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-105publ338/html/PLAW-105publ338.htm < click


Operation Desert Fox
"Mission: To strike military and security targets in Iraq that contribute to Iraq's ability to produce, store, maintain and deliver weapons of mass destruction."
Operation Desert Fox < click


Operation DESERT FOX Briefing with Secretary Cohen and Gen. Zinni, 21 Dec 98
Defense.gov News Transcript: Operation DESERT FOX Briefing with Secretary Cohen and Gen. Zinni, 21 Dec 98 < click


AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
"...Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq...."
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm < click


TBC
 
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Hay weight.
Eye thought we went to war because of WMDs.

No I mean we went cuz we didn't wanna fight em here so we fight em there.

Know know weight, it was cuz we were enforcing UN resolutions.

Oh no sea it cuz he was the butcher of Baghdad and harmed his own people.

KNOW KNOW KNOW, sea it was cuz ...eh...

Bush threw every reason against the wall to see which would stick.
The fact that there were soooo many reasons thrown against the wall, proves we shouldn't have been there.

LOL@Still:rolleyes:

[video=youtube;6K5M0xtxQVQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ[/video]

Bush Addresses the U.N. - tells the world no 911 discussions