Black Holes = Worm holes? Gods way for us to travel great distances?

[kedge]

Do they exist?, man can create computer programs and code to make anything appear to exist?.


Black holes have long captured the public imagination and been the subject of popular culture, from Star Trek to Hollywood. They are the ultimate unknown – the blackest and most dense objects in the universe that do not even let light escape. And as if they weren’t bizarre enough to begin with, now add this to the mix: they don’t exist.


By merging two seemingly conflicting theories, Laura Mersini-Houghton, a physics professor at UNC-Chapel Hill in the College of Arts and Sciences, has proven, mathematically, that black holes can never come into being in the first place. The work not only forces scientists to reimagine the fabric of space-time, but also rethink the origins of the universe.


The reason black holes are so bizarre is that it pits two fundamental theories of the universe against each other. Einstein’s theory of gravity predicts the formation of black holes but a fundamental law of quantum theory states that no information from the universe can ever disappear. Efforts to combine these two theories lead to mathematical nonsense, and became known as the information loss paradox.

Rethinking the origins of the universe - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

 

[Rudimental]

Yep, in fact the whole universe might not be 3 dimensional as we know it to be but be nothing more than just a hologram projection according to the Holographic Principle. It makes a pretty good argument mathematically. But its only mans finite perception of what reality actually is and made up of and comes from.

And this new Information Loss Paradox theory certainly throws a spanner in the works of those professors like Brian Cox and Steven Hawking who make some bold claims about how the universe works and how blackholes exist and what they are. But what scientists and mathematicians should learn and believe in is that God is not restricted by math and science.

Black holes. Do they exist? Something exists or rather anti-exists there. Sucking anything close to it that does exist into its non-existence it would seem. So they exist by not existing. They are a non-existing-existing-force. A force that we cannot understand even if we put all our top brilliant mathematicians and astronomers minds to it to try and work out mathematically. Maybe one day in a 100 years or less we'll understand more about them through technology and theoretical debates. But until then, all we have is theories that are close but only the tip of the iceberg to how it actually works.

The more we learn, the more we learn we have more to learn.

[video=youtube;8LsHmMHfaF4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LsHmMHfaF4[/video]

 

[posthuman]

if the nearest black hole is more than 1500 light-years away from earth, it's not going to be very useful as a transportation device for earthling who can only travel at some small percentage of light speed. it'll take us thousands of years to get there, and if we could do that, we really don't have any need for a wormhole to begin with.

 

[jaybird88]

some believe that Nimrods tower of babel was a dimensional portal. He was going to use it to enter the heavens and overthrow our Lord. Nimrods name in Hebrew means - rebellious one, we shall rebel, to rebel against the Lord.

 

[iConflicted]

You know? (Derailing for a bit in a sense.) About the problem with microgravity, does anyone think we can simulate a stronger gravitational pull with a sort of spherical ship. A partial idea I am thinking is a sphere inside of a stationary bubble, the sphere inside spins at just the right speed to create a sort of gravitational pull, like when you spin a glass of liquid in the air the liquid doesn't spill out. What'chu think? Perhaps there are other ways around it, I just need to know more about what gravity is and how it exists. I know the world spins but i don't know if this is why we have gravity. I was a straight F student so I wouldn't know.

Read about Tesla. Forget Einstein for a moment and study Tesla. Most of his stuff is said to be under wraps for 'National Security' reasons.
Question everything. Science is a Religion. NASA is a liar.

 

[iConflicted]

Speaking of portals.. What about that 'hole' at the North Pole? I've not been. But what might that be?

 

[iConflicted]

some believe that Nimrods tower of babel was a dimensional portal. He was going to use it to enter the heavens and overthrow our Lord. Nimrods name in Hebrew means - rebellious one, we shall rebel, to rebel against the Lord.

Maybe they were trying to touch the glass sky?

 

[jaybird88]

Speaking of portals.. What about that 'hole' at the North Pole? I've not been. But what might that be?

i think its plausible that there is some strange things going on at both poles. Antarctica is extremely secretive. only a select few are allowed to go there, anyone else (or 99% of the world) are forbidden. so why all the secrecy?

Maybe they were trying to touch the glass sky?

are you saying they were trying to touch the sky? if so you might want to study some basic anthropology, those ancient people knew way more about astronomy than we do. they were doing solar calculations on the great year (cycle of the equinoxes around the ecliptic) 4k year ago. modern man has only rediscovered this in the last 50 years. pretty amazing.

 

[iConflicted]

i think its plausible that there is some strange things going on at both poles. Antarctica is extremely secretive. only a select few are allowed to go there, anyone else (or 99% of the world) are forbidden. so why all the secrecy?

I did mean South Pole. Thanks

are you saying they were trying to touch the sky? if so you might want to study some basic anthropology, those ancient people knew way more about astronomy than we do. they were doing solar calculations on the great year (cycle of the equinoxes around the ecliptic) 4k year ago. modern man has only rediscovered this in the last 50 years. pretty amazing.

That would mean around 1965?
Help me understand.
If rediscovered, where did the knowledge go? How did we lose it?
Who rediscovered it?
(Not trolling.)

 

[jaybird88]

That would mean around 1965?
Help me understand.
If rediscovered, where did the knowledge go? How did we lose it?
Who rediscovered it?
(Not trolling.)

great year/precession of the equinox? im assuming this is what ur referring to. it was never completely lost, only lost to mainstream science. its acceptance back into science was a process, it was 1st discussed in the academic circles in the 1920s (they were mocked and laughed at) then accepted maybe in the 1980s. this is a perfect example of whats wrong with our learning system, when one stands up with an educated well researched theory it can take up to 60 years to accept because mainstream science is so incredibly dogmatic.
it was lost when science and spirituality separated. there was a time when you could not have one without the other. how far we have fallen.
you dont sound like a troll

 

[iConflicted]

great year/precession of the equinox? im assuming this is what ur referring to. it was never completely lost, only lost to mainstream science. its acceptance back into science was a process, it was 1st discussed in the academic circles in the 1920s (they were mocked and laughed at) then accepted maybe in the 1980s. this is a perfect example of whats wrong with our learning system, when one stands up with an educated well researched theory it can take up to 60 years to accept because mainstream science is so incredibly dogmatic.
it was lost when science and spirituality separated. there was a time when you could not have one without the other. how far we have fallen.
you dont sound like a troll

And this is the science we now accept? Like, relativity and gravity and black holes or dark matter?

Which science are we now indoctrinated with? Science that was in harmony with Scripture? Or the new science? The one that was ridiculed?

 

[jaybird88]

And this is the science we now accept? Like, relativity and gravity and black holes or dark matter?

yes from my understanding it is accepted and proven. the big debate comes from when we use this science to date ancient structures as it dates them back 10k - 15k yrs ago and mainstream science does not accept civilizations existed back them.
however dark matter and energy i am not sold on. stars and galaxies seem to attract much faster than what they should and the equations dont work any more as there is not enough matter to explain the discrepancy but if you add in the amount of dark matter and energy, presto! now they work like they should. o dont think dark matter and energy is the answer.

Which science are we now indoctrinated with? Science that was in harmony with Scripture? Or the new science? The one that was ridiculed?

the constants of light speed and gravity seem to be dogmatic. they both have variations that have been proved at many universities around the world yet most refuse to believe it.

 

[Elysian]

Obviously at the moment we can just about barely travel to the moon. It costs too much money and the technology to keep people in space for prolonged periods of time without having any kind of negative effect on their bodies just doesn't exist yet.

And what do we know about black holes? We know enough to know that we don't really know much at all. But we know that black holes are super suckers. They suck in anything close to its gravitational pull. Even light itself!

But I have a theory about black holes. I believe that God created them for a reason. I believe that God has created all things in the universe for our benefit. For our use. Including black holes.

I believe that one day, we'll understand more about black holes and be able to "use" them to travel great distances. But on reading about black holes "where do black holes go". It might just be that they don't actually go anywhere. They just assimilate and discombobulate you into tiny atoms before you turn into star dust again.

But God, in all His infinite wisdom, definitely created black holes (what we call black holes) for a reason.

What do you think black holes (as far as God is concerned) are?

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Are these black holes a fact or just a theory? Maybe you should do some research on the CERN particle separator.There is a lot of serious speculation they are trying to rip a hole in the time, space fabric with this machine.There is also talk of interdenominational beings coming through (demons).I know Satanists have been trying to do this for years (Ron Hubbard).You can check out the CERN programme on youtube,there is more to this than meets the eye.

 

[EdisonTrent]

Do they exist?, man can create computer programs and code to make anything appear to exist?.


Black holes have long captured the public imagination and been the subject of popular culture, from Star Trek to Hollywood. They are the ultimate unknown – the blackest and most dense objects in the universe that do not even let light escape. And as if they weren’t bizarre enough to begin with, now add this to the mix: they don’t exist.


By merging two seemingly conflicting theories, Laura Mersini-Houghton, a physics professor at UNC-Chapel Hill in the College of Arts and Sciences, has proven, mathematically, that black holes can never come into being in the first place. The work not only forces scientists to reimagine the fabric of space-time, but also rethink the origins of the universe.


The reason black holes are so bizarre is that it pits two fundamental theories of the universe against each other. Einstein’s theory of gravity predicts the formation of black holes but a fundamental law of quantum theory states that no information from the universe can ever disappear. Efforts to combine these two theories lead to mathematical nonsense, and became known as the information loss paradox.

Rethinking the origins of the universe - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

No info is lost the black hole is the place where a Sun used to be that's information confirmation.

 

[EdisonTrent]

Traveling through a black hole isn't possible because everything that's pulled into it is shredded even the very elements. A Worm hole/portals hasn't been found yet only in theory up to this point, in my opinion they exist we are not advanced enough yet to know where they are probably won't get there either because the world rather fight each other than work with each other.

heres a big Star in our galaxy indeed
[video=youtube;_dVqkJhpmzA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dVqkJhpmzA[/video]

 

[EdisonTrent]

[video=youtube;tX2YzkS5LBo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX2YzkS5LBo[/video]

 

[posthuman]

a physicist named Karl Schwarzschild in 1916 derived an exact solution for Einstein's field equations for a black hole. though he did not include rotation or electric field into the calculation, which would also affect the size, what he found is what we all use as an estimate for the size of a black hole given its mass (and vice-versa).
this is the 'Schwarzschild radius' -- the perfunctory size of a black hole; the closest that light can get to the center of one and still be able to escape is anything larger than this.

it's a relatively simple equation:

where:
r[SUB]s[/SUB] is the Schwarzschild radius;
G is the gravitational constant;
M is the mass of the object;
c is the speed of light in vacuum.

here's the interesting thing:

plug in the numbers for the inferred mass of the entire universe, and you get a radius of ~ 13.7 billion light years.

now guess what the radius of the observable universe is? it's also about 13.7 billion light years.

these back-of-the-envelope calculations support the idea that we're in a black hole right now

let's get traveling, shall we?

 

[posthuman]

[video=youtube;tX2YzkS5LBo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX2YzkS5LBo[/video]

i think about this every time i look up at Orion -- i've been hoping since i was a kid that i'd be alive to see her go nova

 

[EdisonTrent]

i think about this every time i look up at Orion -- i've been hoping since i was a kid that i'd be alive to see her go nova

never know be cool galaxy fireworks

 

[jaybird88]

a physicist named Karl Schwarzschild in 1916 derived an exact solution for Einstein's field equations for a black hole. though he did not include rotation or electric field into the calculation, which would also affect the size, what he found is what we all use as an estimate for the size of a black hole given its mass (and vice-versa).
this is the 'Schwarzschild radius' -- the perfunctory size of a black hole; the closest that light can get to the center of one and still be able to escape is anything larger than this.

it's a relatively simple equation:

where:
r[SUB]s[/SUB] is the Schwarzschild radius;
G is the gravitational constant;
M is the mass of the object;
c is the speed of light in vacuum.

here's the interesting thing:

plug in the numbers for the inferred mass of the entire universe, and you get a radius of ~ 13.7 billion light years.

now guess what the radius of the observable universe is? it's also about 13.7 billion light years.

these back-of-the-envelope calculations support the idea that we're in a black hole right now

let's get traveling, shall we?

PH use that big brain of yours and explain to us how our earth, which is a smaller planet is able to hold the moon in place? the physics dont add up. the moon should float away but it dont.