Blasphemy against holyspirit

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If someone doesn't believe or doesn't repent and isn't forgiven, why would that have to be 'reconciled' with the idea that speaking against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven?

People can commit forgivable sins, but not repent and believe and be forgiven. But other people who commit the same sins repent and believe and are forgiven. That doesn't have to be the same category as villifying the Holy Spirit. These words actually have meaning.

I could insist that blasphemy means 'eating chocolate on the weekend.' The problem is, that has nothing to do with what 'blasphemy' means.
Because Jesus said there is only one unforgivable sin (in Matt. 12:31-32).
 
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Because Jesus said there is only one unforgivable sin (in Matt. 12:31-32).
Any sin, except for speaking against the Holy Ghost, can be forgiven if one repents and believes. But one person may repent of unbelief, but another person not repent. Unbelief is forgivable. Paul was forgiven. But do you think those who do not repent of their unbelief will be forgiven.

The word 'speak' has a meaning. The word 'blaspheme' has a meaning. Neither word means 'unbelief' or 'reject the truth' or 'die in a state of unforgiveness.
 

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huh? The passage in question tells us that speaking against the Son of man can be forgiven. Do you think the Holy Spirit IS the sacrifice on the cross? That doesn't make much sense.
You're response to what I have been saying isn't making any sense. I've been saying that to blaspheme the Holy Spirit one must invert goodness and evil and attribute the works of the Spirit to Satan. Another poster has been trying to claim that the Heb. 6 passage is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but I have repeatedly said their error is against Christ, not the Holy Spirit. They are making a doctrinal error. If everyone who did that was unforgiven, it is likely none of us would be saved eg. limited atonement v. unlimited atonement, OSAS v. non-OSAS. etc. In order to commit the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit one must attribute His work as coming from the source of evil. Christ's sacrifice was the Son's work and nor was it from any evil source so the poster is wrong all around imo.

Of course the other matter to contend with is, anyone who thinks they may have blasphemed the Spirit has most certainly not because the reason they cannot be forgiven is because they are oblivious to seeing themselves as being wrong.
 
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Any sin, except for speaking against the Holy Ghost, can be forgiven if one repents and believes. But one person may repent of unbelief, but another person not repent. Unbelief is forgivable. Paul was forgiven. But do you think those who do not repent of their unbelief will be forgiven.

The word 'speak' has a meaning. The word 'blaspheme' has a meaning. Neither word means 'unbelief' or 'reject the truth' or 'die in a state of unforgiveness.
Salvation/forgiveness is conditional upon repentance/belief.

Blaspheme means "insult", and a believer reverting to unbelief in the Gospel Truth is the worst/unforgivable insult/sin of apostasy.
 
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Salvation/forgiveness is conditional upon repentance/belief.

Blaspheme means "insult", and a believer reverting to unbelief in the Gospel Truth is the worst/unforgivable insult/sin of apostasy.
The issue in Hebrews 6 is not being able to be renewed to __repentance_. The individual's heart issue doesn't allow that individual to come back. The sin being committed there... unbelief... is in the 'forgivable' category, since unbelievers repent and are forgiven for their unbelief.

One doesn't have to say anything specific about the Holy Spirit to deny faith in Christ.
 
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You're response to what I have been saying isn't making any sense. I've been saying that to blaspheme the Holy Spirit one must invert goodness and evil and attribute the works of the Spirit to Satan. Another poster has been trying to claim that the Heb. 6 passage is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but I have repeatedly said their error is against Christ, not the Holy Spirit. They are making a doctrinal error. If everyone who did that was unforgiven, it is likely none of us would be saved eg. limited atonement v. unlimited atonement, OSAS v. non-OSAS. etc. In order to commit the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit one must attribute His work as coming from the source of evil. Christ's sacrifice was the Son's work and nor was it from any evil source so the poster is wrong all around imo.
I don't follow the point you are making after 'but I have repeatedly.' I believe I am disagreeing with the same poster, btw.

Of course the other matter to contend with is, anyone who thinks they may have blasphemed the Spirit has most certainly not because the reason they cannot be forgiven is because they are oblivious to seeing themselves as being wrong.
Where does scripture teach that? Isn't it possible that a Pharisee that made that accusation against Christ in Matthew 12 could have admitted that he was wrong about something else, even some area of sin? Why should we add doctrine that is not in the passage?
 
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The issue in Hebrews 6 is not being able to be renewed to __repentance_. The individual's heart issue doesn't allow that individual to come back. The sin being committed there... unbelief... is in the 'forgivable' category, since unbelievers repent and are forgiven for their unbelief.

One doesn't have to say anything specific about the Holy Spirit to deny faith in Christ.
Yes, the sin in Heb. 6:4-6 is unforgivable because the sinner there will never repent of such apostasy.
 

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Yes, the sin in Heb. 6:4-6 is unforgivable because the sinner there will never repent of such apostasy.
It doesn't say that they will never repent. It says it's impossible for [us] to renew them again to repentance by laying again the foundation (vs. 1).
 
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It doesn't say that they will never repent. It says it's impossible for [us] to renew them again to repentance by laying again the foundation (vs. 1).
I think you’re splitting a hair, but either wording is fine with me.