Blasphemy against holyspirit
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Any sin, except for speaking against the Holy Ghost, can be forgiven if one repents and believes. But one person may repent of unbelief, but another person not repent. Unbelief is forgivable. Paul was forgiven. But do you think those who do not repent of their unbelief will be forgiven.
The word 'speak' has a meaning. The word 'blaspheme' has a meaning. Neither word means 'unbelief' or 'reject the truth' or 'die in a state of unforgiveness.
The word 'speak' has a meaning. The word 'blaspheme' has a meaning. Neither word means 'unbelief' or 'reject the truth' or 'die in a state of unforgiveness.
You're response to what I have been saying isn't making any sense. I've been saying that to blaspheme the Holy Spirit one must invert goodness and evil and attribute the works of the Spirit to Satan. Another poster has been trying to claim that the Heb. 6 passage is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but I have repeatedly said their error is against Christ, not the Holy Spirit. They are making a doctrinal error. If everyone who did that was unforgiven, it is likely none of us would be saved eg. limited atonement v. unlimited atonement, OSAS v. non-OSAS. etc. In order to commit the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit one must attribute His work as coming from the source of evil. Christ's sacrifice was the Son's work and nor was it from any evil source so the poster is wrong all around imo.
Of course the other matter to contend with is, anyone who thinks they may have blasphemed the Spirit has most certainly not because the reason they cannot be forgiven is because they are oblivious to seeing themselves as being wrong.
Of course the other matter to contend with is, anyone who thinks they may have blasphemed the Spirit has most certainly not because the reason they cannot be forgiven is because they are oblivious to seeing themselves as being wrong.
The issue in Hebrews 6 is not being able to be renewed to __repentance_. The individual's heart issue doesn't allow that individual to come back. The sin being committed there... unbelief... is in the 'forgivable' category, since unbelievers repent and are forgiven for their unbelief.
One doesn't have to say anything specific about the Holy Spirit to deny faith in Christ.
One doesn't have to say anything specific about the Holy Spirit to deny faith in Christ.
I don't follow the point you are making after 'but I have repeatedly.' I believe I am disagreeing with the same poster, btw.
Where does scripture teach that? Isn't it possible that a Pharisee that made that accusation against Christ in Matthew 12 could have admitted that he was wrong about something else, even some area of sin? Why should we add doctrine that is not in the passage?
Where does scripture teach that? Isn't it possible that a Pharisee that made that accusation against Christ in Matthew 12 could have admitted that he was wrong about something else, even some area of sin? Why should we add doctrine that is not in the passage?
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I don't know how to say it any clearer. Sorry.
No it's not possible, the very passage teaches us that. Why do you think they won't be forgiven? It isn't because God refuses to extend mercy, it is because it is impossible for them to see their need for forgiveness ergo they will never repent of anything.
Those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit are so debased in their thinking they see the good as evil and the evil as good. These are not the sort who will ever come near to Christ.
You're right we shouldn't add doctrine but we should try to understand fully what is written.
No it's not possible, the very passage teaches us that. Why do you think they won't be forgiven? It isn't because God refuses to extend mercy, it is because it is impossible for them to see their need for forgiveness ergo they will never repent of anything.
Those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit are so debased in their thinking they see the good as evil and the evil as good. These are not the sort who will ever come near to Christ.
You're right we shouldn't add doctrine but we should try to understand fully what is written.
If this were the case, then Paul would not have been forgiven, and he would have spoken against the Holy Spirit. What about the apostles... maybe 9 of them. Were they forgiven?
Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
If they were never forgiven, how could this be true?
John 15:3
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
If they were never forgiven, how could this be true?
John 15:3
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
And out of the mouth comes the things held in the heart (values). What is your point? They spoke without thinking? It was just a mistake they spoke ill of the Spirit's workings?
Some words have more than one meaning. Context helps us to understand the meaning. The context is attributing the workings of the Holy Spirit to the works of the evil one.
Some words have more than one meaning. Context helps us to understand the meaning. The context is attributing the workings of the Holy Spirit to the works of the evil one.