BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED

[Stephen63]

Sarah777, you might want to talk to your friend zone about that too.

Stephen,

I m going to explain to why I will not do so. What you directed the comment to and what she directed her comments to are different. You directed your comment at her person. When she made the comments she was directing it in the first case at the ACTIONS not the person. In the second she directed it to a doctrine. Again not at a person.

I grew up in a large family so I saw it all before.

I think this fits some times.

I can't believe that you would try to play head games.

1 Remember these are the two you asked about.

Can you understand half of what GreenNnice posts? I can't make heads or tails out of most of them. Half of them do sound like gibberish. Sorry hate to tell you this but I can understand my 5 year nephew who has a speech impairment better then I can Green.

2 Next time please keep me out of your vendetas. You want to play those types of games be my guest. That's your choice.
3 You talk about other people trying to trap you yet you pull the very same garbage and then 4 act so hurt that you are so misunderstood. 5 I'll tell you what try going to another site being one of the only Christians there,deal with people within the GLBT community and we'll see how long you last. You want to see people really hate you. Try it I dare you to. The way it comes across it seems like you wouldn't even last a day. I dare you to go street witnessing during Mardis Gras,let's see how long you last.

1. I didn't ask you about 2 of anything!I was just telling you to tell zone to stop insulting me & GreenNnice.
2. I'm not the one in here with a vendetta. That's obvious.
3. It's plain to see I wasn't trying to trap anyone. I was being entrapped, pressured to blow up, & I didn't do it.
4. I'm not hurt. Not even now. It doesn't bother me anymore & you guys can't stand that. You're mad 'cause I'm not arguing back.
5. Where did that come from? I have no clue why you said that.

 

[GreenNnice]

you write and speak like a 5 year old with silly remarks and made-up words and i'm the immature one?

k.

"IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it"

another hero.

support the doctrines under consideration or just keep posting babble.

You can always ask me to re-say something, ohzone, if you don't understand what I'm saying. That goes for everyone, and, even, stephenspeaks, he, TOO, tells me that he has a hard time understanding me half the time.

The Lord leads. Let Him speak to you half the time then, that's fine, He reveals ALL to us.

OK? k

 

[JaumeJ]

Many folks who have been saved by the Blood of the Lamb of God are held captive by denominations' demands of them. They, in their chosen comfort zones, cannot see beyond the man made bounds encircling them, and they are too afraid to venture out to see the eternity of the entire truth.

If they truly believe the Lamb, they will be freed of this captivity in His time, but until then we must pray they stay the course in Yeshuia, somehow.

Remember, there comes a day when our Father will call all out of the Great Harlot, and, assuredly, out of her daughters.

 

[loveme1]

You can always ask me to re-say something, ohzone, if you don't understand what I'm saying. That goes for everyone, and, even, stephenspeaks, he, TOO, tells me that he has a hard time understanding me half the time.

The Lord leads. Let Him speak to you half the time then, that's fine, He reveals ALL to us.

OK? k

i sometimes find it a challenge.. but have come to accept that is who you are and your character spills out in your writing

your friend,

loveme1

aka milady.

 

[Shiloah]

UMM Stephen,

Just a friendly suggestion,you might want to try not using insults. It never makes one look all that great either.

You call that an attack, and you don't even address the real attacker. I saw no insults from Stephen, I only saw a person responding to continual attack.

 

[SarahM777]

You call that an attack, and you don't even address the real attacker. I saw no insults from Stephen, I only saw a person responding to continual attack.

I didn't say it was an attack. You're reading something into that's not there.

 

[SarahM777]

1. I didn't ask you about 2 of anything!I was just telling you to tell zone to stop insulting me & GreenNnice.
2. I'm not the one in here with a vendetta. That's obvious.
3. It's plain to see I wasn't trying to trap anyone. I was being entrapped, pressured to blow up, & I didn't do it.
4. I'm not hurt. Not even now. It doesn't bother me anymore & you guys can't stand that. You're mad 'cause I'm not arguing back.
5. Where did that come from? I have no clue why you said that.

Yes you did,you used two quotes to prove your point. I told you why based on those two quotes why I would not.

What is so crazy about all this is the very same things many of you accuse her of doing,you do to her. Many of you aren't so innocent in this. But it's much easier to do it to someone you really don't like.

You're the one that started this thread,you then insult someone within a thread about persecution. But that's OK you're not really doing the same thing you accuse them of doing.

Stephen I couldn't care less if you argue back and forth. I really don't angry about a whole lot of stuff.

Maybe because I grew up in a really,really harsh environment I just don't see things the same way. Both my grandmothers and my father were very verbally abusive. I had five brothers and sisters who also at times were verbally and physically abusive. Maybe having a person try to kill me three times,a couple of guys jump me in a bathroom,having had bottles thrown at me,words said to me that would make a drunken sailor blush,etc that I see a lot of this being stuff that's on the same level as a FAMILY squabble and not persecution,so be it.

Perhaps a bit more forgiveness and love would go a long ways. I could be wrong,but I don't think so.

 

[JaumeJ]

Did the rope break with you? It did with me. These experiences are past. Not only do we forgive we pray for those who persecute us. Were you to know a tenth of the horrors your brethren have experienced it would make anyone complaing about his or her personal experiences blush. We have all had bad experiences, none of them are from the Lord, Yeshua. When interacting with others in the Body of Yeshua, it is a good idea not to assume your own experience trumps that of others just because they do not wear it on their sleeve.
The ones to watch out for are those who say they are family but are not. You will know them by their works.

Yes you did,you used two quotes to prove your point. I told you why based on those two quotes why I would not.

What is so crazy about all this is the very same things many of you accuse her of doing,you do to her. Many of you aren't so innocent in this. But it's much easier to do it to someone you really don't like.

You're the one that started this thread,you then insult someone within a thread about persecution. But that's OK you're not really doing the same thing you accuse them of doing.

Stephen I couldn't care less if you argue back and forth. I really don't angry about a whole lot of stuff.

Maybe because I grew up in a really,really harsh environment I just don't see things the same way. Both my grandmothers and my father were very verbally abusive. I had five brothers and sisters who also at times were verbally and physically abusive. Maybe having a person try to kill me three times,a couple of guys jump me in a bathroom,having had bottles thrown at me,words said to me that would make a drunken sailor blush,etc that I see a lot of this being stuff that's on the same level as a FAMILY squabble and not persecution,so be it.

Perhaps a bit more forgiveness and love would go a long ways. I could be wrong,but I don't think so.

 

[SarahM777]

Did the rope break with you? It did with me. These experiences are past. Not only do we forgive we pray for those who persecute us. Were you to know a tenth of the horrors your brethren have experienced it would make anyone complaing about his or her personal experiences blush. We have all had bad experiences, none of them are from the Lord, Yeshua. When interacting with others in the Body of Yeshua, it is a good idea not to assume your own experience trumps that of others just because they do not wear it on their sleeve.
The ones to watch out for are those who say they are family but are not. You will know them by their works.

Where did I say it did? You're reading something into it that is not there. I never said my experiences trumped another's.

This is at the heart of the problem. People only half read what is being said,half comprehend what's being said,or add something to what is being said. This is most of the problem. Then people have a habit of accusing someone of something they NEVER said in the first place.

 

[JaumeJ]

Inference.......

Maybe because I grew up in a really,really harsh environment I just don't see things the same way. Both my grandmothers and my father were very verbally abusive. I had five brothers and sisters who also at times were verbally and physically abusive. Maybe having a person try to kill me three times,a couple of guys jump me in a bathroom,having had bottles thrown at me,words said to me that would make a drunken sailor blush,etc that I see a lot of this being stuff that's on the same level as a FAMILY squabble and not persecution,so be it.

 

[JaumeJ]

Inference.......

Maybe because I grew up in a really,really harsh environment I just don't see things the same way. Both my grandmothers and my father were very verbally abusive. I had five brothers and sisters who also at times were verbally and physically abusive. Maybe having a person try to kill me three times,a couple of guys jump me in a bathroom,having had bottles thrown at me,words said to me that would make a drunken sailor blush,etc that I see a lot of this being stuff that's on the same level as a FAMILY squabble and not persecution,so be it. (These are horrible experiences, but all seem to have the same pain, though others cannot see it. They really do.)

No one is saying anyone's testimony should not be shared in order to witness about the love and salvation of Yeshua. We are all saved from a life void of salvation. Sharing one's experience in regard to salvation can be very useful, especially with those who have not yet exprienced the salvation and grace that comes with yielding to the love of Yeshua.

 

[SarahM777]

Inference.......

Maybe because I grew up in a really,really harsh environment I just don't see things the same way. Both my grandmothers and my father were very verbally abusive. I had five brothers and sisters who also at times were verbally and physically abusive. Maybe having a person try to kill me three times,a couple of guys jump me in a bathroom,having had bottles thrown at me,words said to me that would make a drunken sailor blush,etc that I see a lot of this being stuff that's on the same level as a FAMILY squabble and not persecution,so be it. (These are horrible experiences, but all seem to have the same pain, though others cannot see it. They really do.)

No one is saying anyone's testimony should not be shared in order to witness about the love and salvation of Yeshua. We are all saved from a life void of salvation. Sharing one's experience in regard to salvation can be very useful, especially with those who have not yet exprienced the salvation and grace that comes with yielding to the love of Yeshua.

Again you're reading something into it that's not there. Inference is not the best way of determining truth. If one starts off with a wrong premise you end up in a wrong spot and can end up accusing someone of something they never said or implied. Asking for clarification when it is not stated works much better then inference.

 

[JaumeJ]

So many have inferred about many, I have lost track. It has been directed at me so many times I have lost track. I suppose it is only allowed for certain people to practice. It is a major drawback in sharing online in a forum where anyone may enter. I believe if you live and shre the love of Yeshua after a harrowing life experience it is to the glory of Yahweh, God when it is shared. Thank you for sharing this.

 

[SarahM777]

So many have inferred about many, I have lost track. It has been directed at me so many times I have lost track. I suppose it is only allowed for certain people to practice. It is a major drawback in sharing online in a forum where anyone may enter. I believe if you live and shre the love of Yeshua after a harrowing life experience it is to the glory of Yahweh, God when it is shared. Thank you for sharing this.

Again it is part of the problem,we could avoid so much of this stuff if we didn't do it. I think a lot also has to do with the fact we read through things way too fast,we answer far too quickly when we think we know what they said,and then what happens is one starts accusing another and then the counter charges start. And the kick in the head is are any of us really 100% innocent in this or have we all done this at time or another? Maybe after all these years I have seen it happen so often is that many who are the most vocal about these are the same ones who are also doing the same thing. It seems to be a weird thing about human nature,the things we dislike in the things the other does is often the very same thing we dislike about what we are doing.

 

[JaumeJ]

Now you have given me a broad smile and warm sensation because this is so true. Thank you for the wisdom on the subject. I will try to put into practice the postive side of this informative reply. Yeshua hold you close and keep you forever, amen.

Again it is part of the problem,we could avoid so much of this stuff if we didn't do it. I think a lot also has to do with the fact we read through things way too fast,we answer far too quickly when we think we know what they said,and then what happens is one starts accusing another and then the counter charges start. And the kick in the head is are any of us really 100% innocent in this or have we all done this at time or another? Maybe after all these years I have seen it happen so often is that many who are the most vocal about these are the same ones who are also doing the same thing. It seems to be a weird thing about human nature,the things we dislike in the things the other does is often the very same thing we dislike about what we are doing.

 

[SarahM777]

Now you have given me a broad smile and warm sensation because this is so true. Thank you for the wisdom on the subject. I will try to put into practice the postive side of this informative reply. Yeshua hold you close and keep you forever, amen.

I'm just a not so young gal who hopefully after these years God has taught me some wisdom and insight. Some days I just don't always use it.

 

[Stephen63]

SarahM777,
I found the 2 you were talking about.I used them 'cause they were together.

Even they show personal insults!

Note in red:

you write and speak like a 5 year old with silly remarks and made-up words and i'm the immature one?

k.

"IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it"

another hero.

support the doctrines under consideration or just keep posting babble.

Pentecostalism is not a good tree.
it can not bear good fruit.

but you don't want to discuss that - you want to make it about me.
that's fine...but it's already clear.

incidentally - Matthew 7:16-20 was spoken about the scribes; Pharisees and jews who would not repent of dead works of the Law and come into Christ's rest.

stephen....i have nothing more to say to on a personal level, really.

go re-read you apology thread.
when your conscience is clear and your motives are right we can talk again.

bye now.

UMM Stephen,

Just a friendly suggestion,you might want to try not using insults. It never makes one look all that great either.

Plain personal insults & insinuations..... A 4th grader could see that. HOW could you not see it? You chose not to.

 

[notuptome]

Does any of this really rise to the level of persecution? There are Christians in parts of the world where they are in mortal danger everyday because they dare to name Christ. A little or even a lot of bickering on the net hardly rises to that level. Shameful conduct ought not to be excused but it is hardly persecution. Yes?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

Matthew 5:11 (KJV) [SUP]11[/SUP] Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Luke 6:22 (KJV) [SUP]22[/SUP] Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Blessed? Really? If Jesus said it, that's good enough for me. But in what way are we blessed?

1 Peter 4:12-17 (KJV)
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

The Scriptures tell us that:

1. It is not an unusual thing for the people of God to be persecuted.
2. If we suffer here as Christ did, we should hereafter be glorified with him.
3. Besides the prospect of that future glory; we have at present the Spirit of God for our support and comfort.
4. That it was an honor for any of us to suffer, not as a criminal, but as a Christian.
5. Though the afflictions began with Christians, yet the weight of judgement would fall upon the unbelievers. From these considerations he exhorted us to persevere in our duty, and trust God with all things.

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

• For instance, if you are persecuted here on CC because you stand on the Word, it is evident that God's spirit is upon you. You are to be happy to suffer for Christ's name.

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

• There's a difference between suffering for being a troublemaker & for Jesus. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!
• Glorify the Lord when you're being persecuted for Him. Do not draw back, or back up. Hebrews 10:37-38 [SUP]37 [/SUP]For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. [SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

• Why is judgement of the house of God being placed in the middle of the context of suffering persecution? Because God uses persecution to discipline His children.

Hebrews 12:5-8 [SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: [SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? [SUP]8 [/SUP]But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Every true child of God will be persecuted to discipline them to grow in maturity & faith. Although it looks bad, really it's a blessing!

Have you wondered why some of you are verbally persecuted to no end in the BDF? There's a biblical reason. I know, I had to learn it the hard way. Just like the King of Babylon was sent by God to discipline Israel, There are those here on CC sent to do the same for some of us. Just as no one could beat Nebuchadnezzer while God was using him, you will not beat the ones he sends here, either. YOU ARE TO BE BEATEN BY THEM to humble you, & show you GOD"S WAY. Once we all learn this important lesson, this trial will end. Then God will deal with the persecutors.

As best as I can tell, this persecution started here around 2010. My question is "What did we do to bring this on us?" Did we lose our first love? Did we become a respecter of persons? Did we treat everyone the same? Did we segregate ourselves from other christians?

Matthew 5:43-48
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect (mature, complete), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Galatians 6:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. [SUP]10 [/SUP]As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

It is evil to treat those we disagree with contempt & wickedness. Some of us here at CC may not be the best christians, BUT WE'RE STILL HIS!

Matthew 25:41-46
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

you have the audacity to use these passages - about the disciples and christians throughout time who have been murdered and hunted and cast out of families and apply them to YOU?

because you don't like having your doctrine challenged?

and look at you.
pathetic.

going after Bob Dewaay the way you did...

tell me Stephen. are there not enough people on CC who insult and persecute me daily?
not enough for you?

rally some more....little David or whoever you fancy yourself to be.

i think i'll start applying this to myself as of today:

• For instance, if you are persecuted here on CC because you stand on the Word, it is evident that God's spirit is upon you. You are to be happy to suffer for Christ's name.v

 

[Shiloah]

I didn't say it was an attack. You're reading something into that's not there.

I saw what is there. You accused Stephen of insulting. There was no insult there. There was only a defense and an explanation of what he wrote in response to an attack. An accusation such as this, especially when entirely unfounded is an attack. It's the same as what provoked his response to begin with. You don't address the person that keeps jabbing pins in someone, but you get after that person for responding to being continually attacked. It's bizarre. There's clearly a little pack of groupies in here that justify one another's ungodly methods of abuse for some reason other than furthering the Kingdom of God.

It's not of God, in fact, it's a terrible example of how Christians should act.