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Ariel82 said:
Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth.

If we are not born sinners then what does the above verse mean?
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After reading the whole chapter I believe it speak of sinners who had already inherited sin
 
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.Luke 24:39



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Save your pearls, since ye have been bought for a price you might exchange them to get back what you sold.
 
FlSnookman7 said:
It's more than just being born a sinner. We are triune beings, flesh,soul and spirit. We are born with a dead spirit we inherit from adam. When we are saved God quickens or makes alive our spirit and "merges" it with the spirit of Jesus. Since zero sin is allowed in Heaven it's the only way we can ever attain it.
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Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.(John the Baptist)
What do mean by a dead spirit someone unsaved? To my frame of mind someone who is spiritually dead is unsaved/sinner
 
mystic7 said:
Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.(John the Baptist)
What do mean by a dead spirit someone unsaved? To my frame of mind someone who is spiritually dead is unsaved/sinner
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For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26
 
kaylagrl said:
Sorry sis,we disagree with this one. A babe cannot ask Christ into their hearts. A toddler has no understanding of unmerited favor. Therefore they are not held accountable. A child that dies goes back to the Father that created them. And no,its not a Catholic teaching, Catholics used the death of children to make money for the church saying they were burning in hell. Simply not true. Still love ya though. :)
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A babe doesn't need to ask Christ into their heart. A child doesn't need to understand unmerited favor. We don't have to understand either of those either. Neither of those things save us either. It is God who wills and who saves, nothing of what any of us do. Is he unable to save according to age, intelligence, or location? He saved me even before I knew I needed to be saved. He saved hubby when he went out of his way to prove how much he hated God. He saved a friend of ours when he was planning on killing the woman his father was going to marry. We have absolutely no need to understand squat before God saves us, because he does the saving. We just spend the rest of our lives in awe over what God di. Age doesn't matter to God. He saves out of his good will, not ours.

And Catholics haven't made money over dead kids since before I was alive.
 
Zmouth said:
So then Jesus was a sinner?
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Trying to figure out if you are just stirring the pot to see whose skin you can get under, or if you actually are serious.

We can not compare Jesus Christ with human beings. While He took upon Himself the form of man to come down to earth and establish Gods Salvation Plan, He was still fully God. Fully God and fully man.

He was without sin, but on the cross took upon Himself the sins of the world and defeated sin and death with His resurrection. In this, He established Gods Salvation Plan, and with the shedding of His precious blood made those who believe in Him worthy to be called the Sons of God.

Jesus Christ is God the Son. He IS! He said so Himself when He stated: before Abraham was, I Am.
 
Zmouth said:
If that is what your God tells you, but if you think it is I would say that you say you probably just have a problem or a dead faith.
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you just think works proves faith and it doesn't.
 
FlSnookman7 said:
Nope, the dead spirit we inherit comes from adam, as Jesus had no human father He never inherited this dead spirit. In fact His sinless alive spirit was required as a sacrifice to save us all. Thank you Jesus.
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And Mary? My apologizes I need to study more. I need to find the Bible reference to this "dead spirit" you are stating, it's new to me.
 
Zmouth said:
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26
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when a person believes in the spirit thus has faith the things of works is righteous for it is done because one believes. So if you don't believe in Christ you can't bare fruit of the spirit.
 
p_rehbein said:
Trying to figure out if you are just stirring the pot to see whose skin you can get under, or if you actually are serious.

We can not compare Jesus Christ with human beings. While He took upon Himself the form of man to come down to earth and establish Gods Salvation Plan, He was still fully God. Fully God and fully man.

He was without sin, but on the cross took upon Himself the sins of the world and defeated sin and death with His resurrection. In this, He established Gods Salvation Plan, and with the shedding of His precious blood made those who believe in Him worthy to be called the Sons of God.

Jesus Christ is God the Son. He IS! He said so Himself when He stated: before Abraham was, I Am.
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So why didn't he just come on down then? He apparently did it before without having impregnate a married female. So why not worship Allah, the same angel that delivered the Koran was the same one that told the woman that the child was is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Since the Holy Ghost is the (Spirit and Word) then you should know who the Father was, and if you see who descended upon him beyond Jordan you hear something if that is how your faith came.

I should ask you if you are serious or just playing a game.
 
BeyondET said:
when a person believes in the spirit thus has faith the things of works is righteous for it is done because one believes. So if you don't believe in Christ you can't bare fruit of the spirit.
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So can you quantify what the spirit? If it not imaginary then surely you have some basis for your belief, I know I do anyways.

But your argument regarding believe that by acting on faith one's works are righteous need to consider the acts of ISIS, righteous is what righteous does and terrorizing and murderering innocent people is not righteous no matter how you try to paint it by faith.
 
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